The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (25 Viewers)

[martcov]

It wasn’t racist and Grendull knows that. Just ask Sickboy, that’s who the comment was aimed at. Grendull needs the distraction because it’s just dawned on him he’s a closet UKIP supporter. I’m not surprised he’s brought it up and misrepresented it again, just surprised it took him so long. It won’t be the last time he drags it up when he can’t concede an argument, needs to try and discredit someone because he’s being an arse and needs to make someone look worse than him etc. etc.

That’s why I asked him to provide context.

 

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[Astute]

I don’t think an organisation representing 500 million people will drastically change when Juncker goes. It will depend on the policy decided by the council. The commission gets its brief from the council.

Those who run the EU don't do it for our benefit. So no. It won't change much. And even you admit that change is needed.

 

[Astute]

It wasn’t racist and Grendull knows that. Just ask Sickboy, that’s who the comment was aimed at. Grendull needs the distraction because it’s just dawned on him he’s a closet UKIP supporter. I’m not surprised he’s brought it up and misrepresented it again, just surprised it took him so long. It won’t be the last time he drags it up when he can’t concede an argument, needs to try and discredit someone because he’s being an arse and needs to make someone look worse than him etc. etc.

Don't you mean that it isn't racist in YOUR view?

 

[Astute]

Until 2021. He is doing his job until then. That has nothing to do with Luxemburg tax laws.

But somebody as bent as him holds a top job at the EU for another 3 years. And you don't have a problem with it. If you do you hide it very well.

 

[skybluetony176]

Don't you mean that it isn't racist in YOUR view?

Is it racist when I call my children cheeky monkeys? The answer is of course no, because it’s about context.

 

[Astute]

Is it racist when I call my children cheeky monkeys? The answer is of course no, because it’s about context.

Cheeky monkeys?

How much more do you want to twist it?

So would you like to explain how monkey boy has changed to cheeky monkey?

It is a racist term. And it doesn't matter what context it is used in. It shouldn't be used.

monkey boy - Wiktionary

 

[dutchman]

What on earth are you on about? What part of his legacy are you referring to?

Fascist Spain was always an ally of Nazi Germany, nothing has changed.

Wait until he has been tried.

There is no way he can ever get a fair trial in Spain and the German court knows that. It was simply politically expedient to extradite him.

What known war criminals?

List of Most Wanted Nazi War Criminals according to the Simon Wiesenthal Center - Wikipedia

Germany refuses to extradite known war criminals even after they have been convicted and sentenced by a foreign court. Fewer than 10% of known war criminals were ever prosecuted, the majority went on to live lives of luxury often shielded by the foreign subsidiaries of big German companies.

 

[skybluetony176]

Cheeky monkeys?

How much more do you want to twist it?

So would you like to explain how monkey boy has changed to cheeky monkey?

It is a racist term. And it doesn't matter what context it is used in. It shouldn't be used.

monkey boy - Wiktionary

Is this racist?



By the way your link has two meanings for the term monkey boy and one wasn’t racist. So thanks for confirming that context is important when calling someone monkey boy as to whether it’s racist or not.

Other examples. Monkey boy, as in performing monkey (as per the clip and as in the context used as a jibe at Sickboy). Monkey man, as in Ian Brown lead singer from Stone Roses. Monkey man, as in the song by Toots and the Maytalls and covered by the specials. I’m sure I could think of many more if I could be bothered.

 

[martcov]

Fascist Spain was always an ally of Nazi Germany, nothing has changed.



There is no way he can ever get a fair trial in Spain and the German court knows that. It was simply politically expedient to extradite him.



List of Most Wanted Nazi War Criminals according to the Simon Wiesenthal Center - Wikipedia

Germany refuses to extradite known war criminals even after they have been convicted and sentenced by a foreign court. Fewer than 10% of known war criminals were ever prosecuted, the majority went on to live lives of luxury often shielded by the foreign subsidiaries of big German companies.

Neither fascist nor Nazi Germany exist.

The court in Schleswig-Holstein acted accordingy to the law. They refused to let him be tried for revolt as it isn’t covered by an extradition treaty. Corruption is and they judge the documents to be enough for extradition.

Yes, a lot of criminals got away with murder, but the old ones suffering from Alzheimer or dementia can hardly be tried.

What about the Dutch collaborators?

 

[martcov]

Negotiated how many years ago? So why was nothing signed?

Another true Mart fact.

Nothing was signed because after years of negotiations Trump came along and scrapped it unilaterally as he doesn’t think much of black people, especially the „Kenyan“ ( according to the moron Trump) Obama.

 

[martcov]

Those who run the EU don't do it for our benefit. So no. It won't change much. And even you admit that change is needed.

Of course they do. It might not pan out that way, as with Brexit. The EI council is composed of elected national politicians who want to be re-elected, and the parliament of MEPs, not by fake news morons like Trump. It won’t change much because Juncker could not legislate. He could propose things, but they have to be agreed. His successor will be given the same task and life will go on. Maybe there will be some reforms, but he isn’t king of the EU.

 

[martcov]

But somebody as bent as him holds a top job at the EU for another 3 years. And you don't have a problem with it. If you do you hide it very well.

What do you suggest I do? No one else has been able to dislodge him. That doesn’t mean to say I think he’s great. In fact I hardly mention him as he is not a reason for leaving or staying.

 

[martcov]

But somebody as bent as him holds a top job at the EU for another 3 years. And you don't have a problem with it. If you do you hide it very well.

Now Farage is claiming that he chatted with the Trump team about Brexit and Trump was spouting his, Farage, BS over the Murdoch Brexit Media to undermine May. Farage is praying that we get a new PM. He is claiming the glory. May is undermined and the president has got us by the goolies ( or pussy if you prefer ).

Farage is talking about the new world order. Meanwhile, Gerard Batten, low life UKIP head, has claimed in the EU parliament that the EU was created, or rather planned, by the Nazis in 1942. Somewhat to the chagrin of the Nazi commentators on a UKIP lovers comments on YouTube. They are annoyed at Batten blaming Nazis when it was the Jews all the time. Hilarious how the extremists argue about whose bullshit is right. Batten was asking the Poles to break ranks and help the UK in Brexit negotiations because we also helped them against Nazis. Even my right wing ex UKIP brother wrote a blog explaining what a stupid person Gerard Batten is.

And you are worried about tax rates in Luxemburg whilst you give these scum a pass.

 

[skybluetony176]

Meanwhile, Gerard Batten, low life UKIP head, has claimed in the EU parliament that the EU was created, or rather planned, by the Nazis in 1942.

Didn’t he originally make this claim in support of Boris for something he said that was along similar lines?

 

[Astute]

Is this racist?



By the way your link has two meanings for the term monkey boy and one wasn’t racist. So thanks for confirming that context is important when calling someone monkey boy as to whether it’s racist or not.

Other examples. Monkey boy, as in performing monkey (as per the clip and as in the context used as a jibe at Sickboy). Monkey man, as in Ian Brown lead singer from Stone Roses. Monkey man, as in the song by Toots and the Maytalls and covered by the specials. I’m sure I could think of many more if I could be bothered.

What can't you get into your head? Or is it normal for this thread and not wanting to understand?

It is a racist term. Yes or no?

The answer is yes as you have finally admitted.

So why do you think it is OK to use a racist term depending on when it is used. At best it is a derogatory remark. At worst it is a racist derogatory remark.

 

[Astute]

Nothing was signed because after years of negotiations Trump came along and scrapped it unilaterally as he doesn’t think much of black people, especially the „Kenyan“ ( according to the moron Trump) Obama.

There has been years of negotiations with India. I suppose the deal is also done with them and is waiting to be signed.

Or shall we get to the truth. It is very hard to make a deal with the EU because of protectionism. Negotiations take years and never get finalised.

 

[Astute]

Of course they do. It might not pan out that way, as with Brexit. The EI council is composed of elected national politicians who want to be re-elected, and the parliament of MEPs, not by fake news morons like Trump. It won’t change much because Juncker could not legislate. He could propose things, but they have to be agreed. His successor will be given the same task and life will go on. Maybe there will be some reforms, but he isn’t king of the EU.

And as you like to make out he hardly has a say. But in reality he has a massive say in everything. But you don't like doing reality.

 

[Astute]

What do you suggest I do? No one else has been able to dislodge him. That doesn’t mean to say I think he’s great. In fact I hardly mention him as he is not a reason for leaving or staying.

So what does that tell you about the EU?

They knew he was bent before he got a top job with them. Many want to look into what he has done but can't because he refuses to stand to one side and would be the one leading any investigation.

The whole thing is corrupt. This is the closest you have ever come to admitting it so well done.

 

[skybluetony176]

What can't you get into your head? Or is it normal for this thread and not wanting to understand?

It is a racist term. Yes or no?

The answer is yes as you have finally admitted.

So why do you think it is OK to use a racist term depending on when it is used. At best it is a derogatory remark. At worst it is a racist derogatory remark.

It’s a racist term when used as a racist term. As YOUR link, that’s YOUR link confirms. I acknowledge that YOUR link is accurate, shame you can’t. Maybe you didn’t read it, that really wouldn’t surprise anyone.

 

[Astute]

Now Farage is claiming that he chatted with the Trump team about Brexit and Trump was spouting his, Farage, BS over the Murdoch Brexit Media to undermine May. Farage is praying that we get a new PM. He is claiming the glory. May is undermined and the president has got us by the goolies ( or pussy if you prefer ).

Farage is talking about the new world order. Meanwhile, Gerard Batten, low life UKIP head, has claimed in the EU parliament that the EU was created, or rather planned, by the Nazis in 1942. Somewhat to the chagrin of the Nazi commentators on a UKIP lovers comments on YouTube. They are annoyed at Batten blaming Nazis when it was the Jews all the time. Hilarious how the extremists argue about whose bullshit is right. Batten was asking the Poles to break ranks and help the UK in Brexit negotiations because we also helped them against Nazis. Even my right wing ex UKIP brother wrote a blog explaining what a stupid person Gerard Batten is.

And you are worried about tax rates in Luxemburg whilst you give these scum a pass.

Free pass?

The only time nobody gets a free pass off me is when someone like you comes out with one sided tales. As in defending Juncker and the EU constantly. But maybe I am finally getting through to you how bent the whole system is.

So how about pointing out where I have defended anyone. What you might find is where I have compared with others or someone has compared with others making false comments.

What you have seen me say is there is no need for UKIP if we are leaving. And they are about finished. They hardly got any votes last election. They are not like AfD in Germany and on the way up although you make out that they are insignificant although they are the third largest party in Germany. They are the biggest party in opposition.

And you also said that there are several parties that got a similar amount of votes earlier. I said to you name them. Strangely enough you ignored me.

 

[skybluetony176]

Trump: US-UK trade deal 'absolutely possible'

Seems he’s changed his mind again. How is anyone supposed to take this guy seriously or at his word?

 

[Astute]

It’s a racist term when used as a racist term. As YOUR link, that’s YOUR link confirms. I acknowledge that YOUR link is accurate, shame you can’t. Maybe you didn’t read it, that really wouldn’t surprise anyone.

Bollocks.

So explain why it is OK to use a racist term at any time.

You don't paint a very good picture for some people. Some people think UKIP are racist. You know that they are not. Mart will agree to this. He tries to make out they are racist all the time. You think it is OK to use a racist term. And all for the reason it isn't.

I have a little test for you. Would you be happy using the term if you was standing next to a black man you didn't know who is twice your size?

 

[Astute]

Trump: US-UK trade deal 'absolutely possible'

Seems he’s changed his mind again. How is anyone supposed to take this guy seriously or at his word?

That is confirming yesterday's news. One country is much easier to deal with than 27. And that is 27 where protectionism is a top priority.

And this is what many of us have been saying. But the reply from the pro EU lot is it won't be easy. Yes it won't be easy. But it will be much easier than making a deal with 27 countries at the same time.

 

[skybluetony176]

Bollocks.

So explain why it is OK to use a racist term at any time.

You don't paint a very good picture for some people. Some people think UKIP are racist. You know that they are not. Mart will agree to this. He tries to make out they are racist all the time. You think it is OK to use a racist term. And all for the reason it isn't.

I have a little test for you. Would you be happy using the term if you was standing next to a black man you didn't know who is twice your size?

Read your own evidence. It gives two examples of its use. One racist, one not. You have proved beyond doubt that it’s about the context it’s used in. Congratulations.

 

[skybluetony176]

That is confirming yesterday's news. One country is much easier to deal with than 27. And that is 27 where protectionism is a top priority.

And this is what many of us have been saying. But the reply from the pro EU lot is it won't be easy. Yes it won't be easy. But it will be much easier than making a deal with 27 countries at the same time.

America’s Policy is protectionism also. You seem to be saying that we’ll have as much joy doing a trade deal with the USA as people do apparently with the EU. Waste of time leaving if we are chasing the American dollar in that case.

 

[martcov]

Free pass?

The only time nobody gets a free pass off me is when someone like you comes out with one sided tales. As in defending Juncker and the EU constantly. But maybe I am finally getting through to you how bent the whole system is.

So how about pointing out where I have defended anyone. What you might find is where I have compared with others or someone has compared with others making false comments.

What you have seen me say is there is no need for UKIP if we are leaving. And they are about finished. They hardly got any votes last election. They are not like AfD in Germany and on the way up although you make out that they are insignificant although they are the third largest party in Germany. They are the biggest party in opposition.

And you also said that there are several parties that got a similar amount of votes earlier. I said to you name them. Strangely enough you ignored me.

Where have I ever defended Juncker?

The parties are: Die Linke, Greens, FDP.All about the same as AfD.

 

[martcov]

Trump: US-UK trade deal 'absolutely possible'

Seems he’s changed his mind again. How is anyone supposed to take this guy seriously or at his word?

The first comments were put in mouth by Farage. He helped a mate out who had helped him.

 

[Astute]

Read your own evidence. It gives two examples of its use. One racist, one not. You have proved beyond doubt that it’s about the context it’s used in. Congratulations.

Try again. You have admitted that it is a racist derogatory remark. Yet you make out that it is OK to use the term. Yet you won't explain why.

Did you think about the test I said about? Would you use it in front of a black man twice your size you didn't know?

If you wouldn't it is a term you shouldn't use at any time.

 

[martcov]

That is confirming yesterday's news. One country is much easier to deal with than 27. And that is 27 where protectionism is a top priority.

And this is what many of us have been saying. But the reply from the pro EU lot is it won't be easy. Yes it won't be easy. But it will be much easier than making a deal with 27 countries at the same time.

It confirms you can insult one country, take a dig at their PM on tape and then deny it. Ramble on about a load of crap repeating and contradicting yourself at the same time, and then dictate a trade deal to them because they don't have any trade deals of their own making at this time.

Piss easy for Trump, but we're fooked.

And you are saying that is better than being in the biggest trading block in the world? What's your real name? Gerard Batten?

 

[martcov]

Try again. You have admitted that it is a racist derogatory remark. Yet you make out that it is OK to use the term. Yet you won't explain why.

Did you think about the test I said about? Would you use it in front of a black man twice your size you didn't know?

If you wouldn't it is a term you shouldn't use at any time.

You say 'black man'. When I gave an example of some people on the leave side not liking 'brown men' you told me off for using the term 'brown men'. Make your mind up.

 

[martcov]

Bollocks.

So explain why it is OK to use a racist term at any time.

You don't paint a very good picture for some people. Some people think UKIP are racist. You know that they are not. Mart will agree to this. He tries to make out they are racist all the time. You think it is OK to use a racist term. And all for the reason it isn't.

I have a little test for you. Would you be happy using the term if you was standing next to a black man you didn't know who is twice your size?

You should read the comments on 'Robin Hood' YouTube channel from UKIP and Farage fans. Quoting Adolf Hitler and claimimg the EU was set by world jewry to mix the races and eventually wipe out the white race. The Nazis were pissed off by the UKIP head saying that it was the Nazis who wanted the EU in 1942 as they were losing the war. UKIP can't even agree with the Nazis if it is the EUSSR or the 4. Reich. No wonder no one knows what Brexit is.

Then tell me there is not a strong racist element in UKIP. Farage boasted that he had the ex BNP voting for leave and UKIP.

 

[Astute]

America’s Policy is protectionism also. You seem to be saying that we’ll have as much joy doing a trade deal with the USA as people do apparently with the EU. Waste of time leaving if we are chasing the American dollar in that case.

Oh you are so one sided.

So it is OK for protectionism from the EU but not elsewhere?

I have said it will be easier for us to make deals than it is for the EU to make deals. You don't deny it as you would look stupid if you did. But you come out with comments that have nothing to do with a proper reply.

 

[Astute]

Where have I ever defended Juncker?

The parties are: Die Linke, Greens, FDP.All about the same as AfD.

So how much of the vote did they get? Did they all get about 1 in 8 of the German population vote for them as you are insinuating?

 

[Astute]

The first comments were put in mouth by Farage. He helped a mate out who had helped him.

You make me laugh sometimes. So Trump and Farage are now mates :smuggrin:

 

[Astute]

You say 'black man'. When I gave an example of some people on the leave side not liking 'brown men' you told me off for using the term 'brown men'. Make your mind up.

I am flabbergasted. You just don't have a clue.

You seem like you are from the older generation that doesn't have a clue what the derogatory terms for black people are.

No wonder you like posts from Tony when he is trying to make out that racist terms are OK to use.