The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (106 Viewers)

[Astute]

You should read the comments on 'Robin Hood' YouTube channel from UKIP and Farage fans. Quoting Adolf Hitler and claimimg the EU was set by world jewry to mix the races and eventually wipe out the white race. The Nazis were pissed off by the UKIP head saying that it was the Nazis who wanted the EU in 1942 as they were losing the war. UKIP can't even agree with the Nazis if it is the EUSSR or the 4. Reich. No wonder no one knows what Brexit is.

Then tell me there is not a strong racist element in UKIP. Farage boasted that he had the ex BNP voting for leave and UKIP.

Why don't you ask Tony. Because you both normally agree on everything. Or the other one shuts up and doesn't question what is said.

One of you makes out that they are racist. The other makes out as though it isn't. Yet not the slightest debate between the two of you on the subject. What a surprise.

 

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[Grendel]

Try again. You have admitted that it is a racist derogatory remark. Yet you make out that it is OK to use the term. Yet you won't explain why.

Did you think about the test I said about? Would you use it in front of a black man twice your size you didn't know?

If you wouldn't it is a term you shouldn't use at any time.

Tony made the post to insult a fellow poster without knowing his skin colour.

 

[Astute]

Tony made the post to insult a fellow poster without knowing his skin colour.

Which is one reason it shouldn't be used. Or it could be used in speech where it is overheard and offend people. And that is two reasons for a start.

Yet as usual things seem to be OK if you can defend them somehow. There is only one thing I detest more than racism. And someone who tries to defend It is as bad as those using it. We are all human beings. The colour of someone's skin means nothing. Everyone has feelings.

There is no place for racism. Not even through being ignorant. And there has been plenty of ignorance on here. It is even worse when you try to help with educating people and they take no notice.

 

[westcountry_skyblue]

You should read the comments on 'Robin Hood' YouTube channel from UKIP and Farage fans. Quoting Adolf Hitler and claimimg the EU was set by world jewry to mix the races and eventually wipe out the white race. The Nazis were pissed off by the UKIP head saying that it was the Nazis who wanted the EU in 1942 as they were losing the war. UKIP can't even agree with the Nazis if it is the EUSSR or the 4. Reich. No wonder no one knows what Brexit is.

Then tell me there is not a strong racist element in UKIP. Farage boasted that he had the ex BNP voting for leave and UKIP.

Just wondered if you have ever posted anything on the Skyblues page about the City or are you not really interested in how we do?

 

[martcov]

Just wondered if you have ever posted anything on the Skyblues page about the City or are you not really interested in how we do?

Of course I have and the season hasn’t started yet.

 

[martcov]

Why don't you ask Tony. Because you both normally agree on everything. Or the other one shuts up and doesn't question what is said.

One of you makes out that they are racist. The other makes out as though it isn't. Yet not the slightest debate between the two of you on the subject. What a surprise.

I don’t communicate with Tony all the time. Sometimes he turns up at the same time as I do. I don’t have to agree with him anyway. Who makes out UKIP are all racist? I thought it was agreed they weren’t all racist.

 

[martcov]

I am flabbergasted. You just don't have a clue.

You seem like you are from the older generation that doesn't have a clue what the derogatory terms for black people are.

No wonder you like posts from Tony when he is trying to make out that racist terms are OK to use.

Is it or is it not ok to call a black man a black man and a brown man a brown man? Seems you are not sure. I am a white man. I know plenty of derogatory terms, but don’t use them.

 

[Ashdown]

Oh I see Mr Juncker is a bit drunk again on his hatred of the British people and their democratic desires......I wonder who picks up his tab ?!

 

[Sick Boy]

Is it or is it not ok to call a black man a black man and a brown man a brown man? Seems you are not sure. I am a white man. I know plenty of derogatory terms, but don’t use them.

It's not worth getting sucked in by it all, this is the same person who has claimed to have switched between leave to neutral, then to remain, back to leave and now back to remain.

Probably one of the best wind up merchants on the forum.

 

[martcov]

You make me laugh sometimes. So Trump and Farage are now mates :smuggrin:

Yes, where have you been? They have been for a couple of years. Farage has made a career speaking at Trump rallies. Bannon has been in contact with him since 2014 and he has spoken at rallies and fund raisers for Bannon and co.

Farage brags about his Trump friendship and has admitted meeting Trump and explaining the current Brexit situation to Trump and asking him to say something about it just before the Sun interview.

 

[Westendlad]

Trump: US-UK trade deal 'absolutely possible'

Seems he’s changed his mind again. How is anyone supposed to take this guy seriously or at his word?

Take it you you're a Sun reader Tony....Giggle Giggle..

 

[martcov]

Oh I see Mr Juncker is a bit drunk again on his hatred of the British people and their democratic desires......I wonder who picks up his tab ?!

I don’t think his tab is the biggest problem at the moment.

 

[Astute]

I don’t communicate with Tony all the time. Sometimes he turns up at the same time as I do. I don’t have to agree with him anyway. Who makes out UKIP are all racist? I thought it was agreed they weren’t all racist.

So you like each other's posts but can never disagree on anything you certainly don't agree on?

Yeah OK.

 

[martcov]

So how much of the vote did they get? Did they all get about 1 in 8 of the German population vote for them as you are insinuating?

Yes. Only 2 or 3 points between them. Very close.

 

[martcov]

So you like each other's posts but can never disagree on anything you certainly don't agree on?

Yeah OK.

Your English is wavering...

 

[Astute]

Is it or is it not ok to call a black man a black man and a brown man a brown man? Seems you are not sure. I am a white man. I know plenty of derogatory terms, but don’t use them.

Fuck me you never listen. You totally ignored everything I said before and continued until I ignored you.

Black. White.

Is as easy as black and white. Brown is seem as derogatory by many. They are black.

Understand?

 

[Astute]

It's not worth getting sucked in by it all, this is the same person who has claimed to have switched between leave to neutral, then to remain, back to leave and now back to remain.

Probably one of the best wind up merchants on the forum.

Are you now going to join in on working out how to use derogatory terms against black people while pretending you don't know? I have explained it all before to him. He even admits to it.

Or is it the pro EU lot stick together whatever?

 

[martcov]

Fuck me you never listen. You totally ignored everything I said before and continued until I ignored you.

Black. White.

Is as easy as black and white. Brown is seem as derogatory by many. They are black.

Understand?

Not the brown people. They are brown. Meaning e.g. Asian, in particular the Indian sub continent.

And here are the election results:
https://wahl.tagesschau.de/wahlen/2017-09-24-BT-DE/charts/indecontent/chart_220484.jpg

 

[martcov]

Are you now going to join in on working out how to use derogatory terms against black people while pretending you don't know? I have explained it all before to him. He even admits to it.

Or is it the pro EU lot stick together whatever?

What on earth are you now on about?

 

[Astute]

Yes. Only 2 or 3 points between them. Very close.

What do you call a point between them? Because you very rarely make one.

Are they 1 in every 10 or 11 voters? What % of the vote did they get?

 

[Astute]

What on earth are you now on about?

We have been through it all before. Brown is seen as a racist remark. Derogatory at least. Yet you continue to use the term Brown people.

Then you have the nerve to ask what I am going on about. You are sick. And that isn't what youngsters mean by it.

 

[martcov]

What do you call a point between them? Because you very rarely make one.

Are they 1 in every 10 or 11 voters? What % of the vote did they get?

I posted the results.. the lowest was 8,9% then 9,2 and 10,7%.

 

[Astute]

And Mart. May I remind you that my eldest daughter is half Asian. She is black although she looks like she has a decent sun tan. So yes you piss me off with your remarks.

 

[Astute]

I posted the results.. the lowest was 8,9% then 9,2 and 10,7%.

So not nearly the same. And you also said several. The 8.9% is nearly 50% lower of the vote of AfD. But let's not get facts in the way of your fiction.

 

[martcov]

We have been through it all before. Brown is seen as a racist remark. Derogatory at least. Yet you continue to use the term Brown people.

Then you have the nerve to ask what I am going on about. You are sick. And that isn't what youngsters mean by it.

When I was in the Caribean there was discrimination between black and brown ( those of Indian descent who were brought in by the British after slavery was abolished to work for money ). The brown people would not not like to be called black and vice versa.

 

[Astute]

When I was in the Caribean there was discrimination between black and brown ( those of Indian descent who were brought in by the British after slavery was abolished to work for money ). The brown people would not not like to be called black and vice versa.

So have I explained it to you before? Have you ignored everything I said?

Why don't you start a thread to confirm what you think is right. Be prepared to hear it as it is. Because you are such an ignorant person.

 

[martcov]

So not nearly the same. And you also said several. The 8.9% is nearly 50% lower of the vote of AfD. But let's not get facts in the way of your fiction.

Maths is not your strong point. I said 2 or 3 points. Ok 2 were around 3,5%. 50% of 12,5 is 6,25. 10,7 is around 18% lower because the numbers are small. The difference is actually less than 2 percentage points which is very close. I said 2 or 3 % points between them, which is correct ( 3,5% to be exact)

 

[Sick Boy]

Are you now going to join in on working out how to use derogatory terms against black people while pretending you don't know? I have explained it all before to him. He even admits to it.

Or is it the pro EU lot stick together whatever?

We have already gone over it several times before. The fact you're trying to insinuate that Mart is a racist is clutching at straws and pretty low.

 

[martcov]

So have I explained it to you before? Have you ignored everything I said?

Why don't you start a thread to confirm what you think is right. Be prepared to hear it as it is. Because you are such an ignorant person.

You are ignorant if you only think there are black or white people in the world. I would never class an Indian as a black man. I don’t think an Indian would himself either.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Been avoiding this thread but yes, black is the generally considered acceptable term in Britain in the 21st century... as far as I was aware! Definitely not brown, can define by other ways, but not brown. Indian-Asian, Chinese-Asian etc... but not brown.

Or 'person of colour' is a current term to try and give a load of minorities a sense of some kind of power and influence, rather than making them small disparate groups.

Not brown though, not brown. Sorry mart, often have sympathy with your posts, and maybe being in Germany means you're behind the times and use of language in the UK (tbf I might be too, so apologies if I've got this wrong in 2018!). As a white Briton I'd be very reluctant to call someone brown.

Anyway, carry on! But how about you all get back to the EU rather than this digression, where you're all bound to fall out!

 

[SkyblueBazza]

Not really. I am not racist or a bigot and I tend to read up on things and fact check things. Now.. back to you.....

That is your opinion.

You read up selected articles...probably because the headline statement appeals to you. You select quoted numbers from them...add some MartFactor & quote them on here in what is at times a bigoted fashion.

That is my opinion...hence they could be talking about you.

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[SkyblueBazza]

What was the agreement with Trump according to the people who made it ? Not according to Trump who just rambles on, contradicts himself, repeats himself, loses the thread of what he’s talking about, drops a few digs about immigration in, tells May what sort of Brexit she should have and claims to be a stable genius.

I cannot disagree.

But the point stands about EU agreements. They are often disputed by at least one agreeing party...proba ly because to get agreement the agreement has to be very complex

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[SkyblueBazza]

No, I didn’t. People have said that foreign aid is a form of defence and should be counted, or at least not ignored. Helping impoverished regions could reduce the causes of terrorism for example. That is a theory. Do you count just arms? Or also wages, pensions and support costs? It is not easy. But, Trump wants to sell military equipment made in America. The rest is irrelevant for him.

I would count the money spent on the armed services

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[Astute]

Maths is not your strong point. I said 2 or 3 points. Ok 2 were around 3,5%. 50% of 12,5 is 6,25. 10,7 is around 18% lower because the numbers are small. The difference is actually less than 2 percentage points which is very close. I said 2 or 3 % points between them, which is correct ( 3,5% to be exact)

AfD got over 12% Of the vote. If one of them got 8% of the vote then AfD got 50% more of the vote. Nothing wrong with my maths.

 

[SkyblueBazza]

Germany is part of the EU and there are 29 countries in NATO. If the USA goes, there are 28 others. The USA is no longer a reliable partner, politically or as a trading partner. Trump is tearing up agreements. That sets a precedence. Their word is not their bond. It is time for the rest of NATO, including Germany, to reassess their defence, if necessary without relying on the USA. Germany has not invaded any other country since the war. It has supported the USA at cost of money and life. If Trump is going to insult and bully Germany on the way to lick Putin‘s arse, then fxxk him and his country.

So referring to your earlier post for stating a case in point. Secondary migration is the most topical of the moment. But the agreement has been ignored ever since it was agreed upon.
So that gives us a direct case in point about reliable partners & word being their bond. And I'm not sure he is licking Putin's ass. They have dialogue...aimed at agreeing a way forward to maintain peace in the world (lot of smoke & mirrors there I will grant you)...meanwhile the EU pacifies Iran

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