The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (125 Viewers)

[Sick Boy]

There isn't a magic pill we can take or a magic money tree.

You seem to be a huge fan of May as you're using her embarrassing quotes! The magic money tree was utter bullshit, she certainly has one when it suits her.

 

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[Astute]

No. The devil is in the detail. You say the way you word it but your theory, and it is a theory, is that inflation will remain at current levels.

What are you going on about now?

Inflation will go up. That is a fact.

The other fact is that on here the previous inflation rates have been ignored but the % that spending has gone up by hasn't.

If you knew anything about economies and how they run you would understand that the higher inflation is the more you have to put in just to stand still.

 

[Astute]

It will also be funded from higher taxes and NI contributions. We are still in the EU during the transition and will be paying our liabilities in 40 bn during the proposed time. So no Brexit Bonus there. Cameron said before the referendum that he would have to put in 10 bn to keep the NHS going.

If we take a short term hit, which the leavers are now saying/ admitting, then tax revenue will fall wiping out the so called Brexit dividend at least in part.

You get leavers that talk crap and want everyone to believe something different to what will happen is the truth. Then you have people like yourself who does the same for the remain lies.

I am not saying believe May. That would be a stupid thing to say. She is a remainer who is taking us out of the EU and she is also a politician.

But what she did say is once out more money would be available. Not it would happen the same day.

And I have said all the way through this crap that we might have a few hard years. Just the same as the majority have always said. Did you note the word 'might'?

You prefer the word 'will'. You are the only person who seems to know what will happen. You seem to know that we will crash and burn because 13% of what we make gets exported to the EU and you know what tariffs will be imposed. But it won't affect the EU in any way. Every business in the EU will be OK.

Then you expect people to take you seriously.

 

[martcov]

Shall we get back to Juncker and how many billions have been lost to the tax man each year because of what he set up? And then got a top job with the EU where he continued to keep up with the rules that made it possible to continue.

How does the Telegraph sit with you?

Revealed: How Jean-Claude Juncker's 'monster' is plotting to punish Britain for Brexit

„It is believed“, „it is thought“. His grandfather was a lieutenant colonel in the Wehrmacht... and so on and so on... „the monster“... FFS.

Don’t they do serious articles in the Telegraph any more? Could have been the Sun or Mail..

Just more whipping up emotions, although leave has won. Now they are blaming the EU for the UK being in a weak position.

You won, get over it Telegraph.

 

[Astute]

You seem to be a huge fan of May as you're using her embarrassing quotes! The magic money tree was utter bullshit, she certainly has one when it suits her.

You what?

Are you Mart in disguise?

I suppose you will come out with all the times I have complemented her next :smuggrin:

 

[Grendel]

It will also be funded from higher taxes and NI contributions. We are still in the EU during the transition and will be paying our liabilities in 40 bn during the proposed time. So no Brexit Bonus there. Cameron said before the referendum that he would have to put in 10 bn to keep the NHS going.

If we take a short term hit, which the leavers are now saying/ admitting, then tax revenue will fall wiping out the so called Brexit dividend at least in part.

None of this statement has any factual accuracy whatsoever.

 

[Astute]

„It is believed“, „it is thought“. His grandfather was a lieutenant colonel in the Wehrmacht... and so on and so on... „the monster“... FFS.

Don’t they do serious articles in the Telegraph any more? Could have been the Sun or Mail..

Just more whipping up emotions, although leave has won. Now they are blaming the EU for the UK being in a weak position.

You won, get over it Telegraph.

So the Telegraph that is mainly a supporter of remain is like the Sun because they say something that you don't like?

Also goes against everything you would like us to believe.

 

[Sick Boy]

You what?

Are you Mart in disguise?

I suppose you will come out with all the times I have complemented her next :smuggrin:

Just find it weird you're using a direct quote from her that was proven to be utter bollocks.

 

[Sick Boy]

So the Telegraph that is mainly a supporter of remain is like the Sun because they say something that you don't like?

Also goes against everything you would like us to believe.

The Telegraph is most certainly not a remain newspaper. It was and is very much behind Brexit.

You're probably thinking of the Times.

 

[skybluetony176]

What are you going on about now?

Inflation will go up. That is a fact.

The other fact is that on here the previous inflation rates have been ignored but the % that spending has gone up by hasn't.

If you knew anything about economies and how they run you would understand that the higher inflation is the more you have to put in just to stand still.

Inflation will go up and go down. That doesn’t effect how much extra is going to go into the NHS either in pound notes or a percentage. You’re talking like it somehow changes those figures. It doesn’t. The figures are not effected by inflation, the figures are measured of previous investment in the NHS.

 

[martcov]

You get leavers that talk crap and want everyone to believe something different to what will happen is the truth. Then you have people like yourself who does the same for the remain lies.

I am not saying believe May. That would be a stupid thing to say. She is a remainer who is taking us out of the EU and she is also a politician.

But what she did say is once out more money would be available. Not it would happen the same day.

And I have said all the way through this crap that we might have a few hard years. Just the same as the majority have always said. Did you note the word 'might'?

You prefer the word 'will'. You are the only person who seems to know what will happen. You seem to know that we will crash and burn because 13% of what we make gets exported to the EU and you know what tariffs will be imposed. But it won't affect the EU in any way. Every business in the EU will be OK.

Then you expect people to take you seriously.

You don’t believe May because she is a remainer? Says it all really.

I don’t know what will happen, but I agree with most people that we will probably take a hit at least short term.

The government and commercial companies are making contingency plans based on that probability.

It is not what I have dreamt up or the government has dreamt up. It is the most likely scenario based on what we know today.

It is not just about the 13% exported. It is about the“passport“ for the financial industry, testing and making medicines, and jobs indirectly connected to the exports.

You are trying to whitewash the whole thing.

There was always going to be more money for the EU. Cameron said it in the leaflet ( as I recall ). There had to be to avoid the collapse of the NHS. May and co dawdled until it was in virtual collapse and then decided to link it to Brexit to take the heat off the government. The government‘s own watchdog has confirmed that it is bullshit and May hasn’t mentioned it again.

 

[martcov]

None of this statement has any factual accuracy whatsoever.

Oh good. What is not factually correct?

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Shall we get back to Juncker and how many billions have been lost to the tax man each year because of what he set up? And then got a top job with the EU where he continued to keep up with the rules that made it possible to continue.

How does the Telegraph sit with you?

Revealed: How Jean-Claude Juncker's 'monster' is plotting to punish Britain for Brexit

Ignoring the awkward Nazi references in the article, again, why are you shocked that they have hardline negotiators trying to get themselves the best deal? We initiated this expecting to get the upper hand and quite blatently haven't managed to do that.

 

[martcov]

So the Telegraph that is mainly a supporter of remain is like the Sun because they say something that you don't like?

Also goes against everything you would like us to believe.

The Telegraph is a leave rag. As this article proves. It was once aimed at the more educated right wing readers, now it is using the same style as the gutter press. The only facts are slipped in under the radar.

The guy is hard working, very intelligent, ambitious and supportive of the EU. Wish we had people like that in the UK team. A bit of a contrast to thick as mince and lazy as a toad Davis, who after 2 years of time wasting did a runner.

 

[Astute]

„It is believed“, „it is thought“. His grandfather was a lieutenant colonel in the Wehrmacht... and so on and so on... „the monster“... FFS.

Don’t they do serious articles in the Telegraph any more? Could have been the Sun or Mail..

Just more whipping up emotions, although leave has won. Now they are blaming the EU for the UK being in a weak position.

You won, get over it Telegraph.

How Martin Selmayr became EU’s top (un)civil servant

Angry MEPs attack Juncker over elevation of his 'monster' Selmayr

Why Brussels is so obsessed with Martin Selmayr

The man Brussels can't stop talking about

Brexit: No 10 worried by growing power of hostile Eurocrat Martin Selmayr

Subscribe to read | Financial Times

Martin Selmayr busted – by Wikipedia – for editing his own page | Coffee House

EU Ombudsman opens probe into Selmayr's promotion

How many more would you like Mart? Where would you like the news from Mart?

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

None of this statement has any factual accuracy whatsoever.

'We are still in the EU during the transition'

Grendel 0-1 Mart (Grendel OG, 90+3')

 

[Astute]

Ignoring the awkward Nazi references in the article, again, why are you shocked that they have hardline negotiators trying to get themselves the best deal? We initiated this expecting to get the upper hand and quite blatently haven't managed to do that.

Look at the links and then comment. Nobody can remove him from his position. Most don't want him in the position he engineered for himself.

 

[Astute]

The Telegraph is a leave rag. As this article proves. It was once aimed at the more educated right wing readers, now it is using the same style as the gutter press. The only facts are slipped in under the radar.

The guy is hard working, very intelligent, ambitious and supportive of the EU. Wish we had people like that in the UK team. A bit of a contrast to thick as mince and lazy as a toad Davis, who after 2 years of time wasting did a runner.

Go on then. Give an excuse for all the other links. Or how about the EU ombudsmen opening a probe into his promotion?

Yes all sounds OK to you as usual though.

 

[martcov]

How Martin Selmayr became EU’s top (un)civil servant

Angry MEPs attack Juncker over elevation of his 'monster' Selmayr

Why Brussels is so obsessed with Martin Selmayr

The man Brussels can't stop talking about

Brexit: No 10 worried by growing power of hostile Eurocrat Martin Selmayr

Subscribe to read | Financial Times

Martin Selmayr busted – by Wikipedia – for editing his own page | Coffee House

EU Ombudsman opens probe into Selmayr's promotion

How many more would you like Mart? Where would you like the news from Mart?

Seems to prove my point. The EU has someone good in the team. How does he compare with Davis, Raab, or Oli Robbins?

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Look at the links and then comment. Nobody can remove him from his position. Most don't want him in the position he engineered for himself.

He doesn't need to be popular to get them a better deal.

 

[Grendel]

Oh good. What is not factually correct?

First

it WILL be funded by higher taxes and national insurance contributions. Show me the tax legislation

 

[martcov]

First

it WILL be funded by higher taxes and national insurance contributions. Show me the tax legislation

That is what the government said. It will be partly funded by tax and NI contributions. How much was not clear.

 

[Astute]

Seems to prove my point. The EU has someone good in the team. How does he compare with Davis, Raab, or Oli Robbins?

OMG

So what is good about him?

When you have finished I will show you how wrong you are.

 

[Astute]

He doesn't need to be popular to get them a better deal.

And why is he so unpopular with people who are in the EU?

 

[Monners]

Why are brexiteers angry all the time - imagine what it would be like if they had lost!?

 

[Astute]

Why are brexiteers angry all the time - imagine what it would be like if they had lost!?

You mean like those who are desperate for us to stay in the EU?

It isn't anger about what is happening from what I can see. It is the lies and twisting of the truth all the time. You would think that us remaining in the EU depended on this thread.

 

[martcov]

And why is he so unpopular with people who are in the EU?

He is with some, and not with others.

 

[martcov]

You mean like those who are desperate for us to stay in the EU?

It isn't anger about what is happening from what I can see. It is the lies and twisting of the truth all the time. You would think that us remaining in the EU depended on this thread.

Nothing is being twisted on the remain side. You are back on your Juncker hit. Yes, there was controversy about his appointment. No one is doubting his ability and intelligence though. What was the final outcome of the review of his appointment?

 

[Astute]

He is with some, and not with others.

Would you like to expand on this?

Even Juncker was surprised to find out that he had engineered his position. Most are unhappy with what he has done. But we will come to this once you start defending him and the way he was allowed to get the position.

 

[Grendel]

That is what the government said. It will be partly funded by tax and NI contributions. How much was not clear.

So where is the legislation that says that?

Answer is none and if you were on a campaign and made such a statement it would be deemed as saying all people would pay more tax - it could uk fact be that even if legislation was passed its a misleading statement. So as you say misleading statements are lies.

I mean imagine putting that message on a big red bus....

 

[Astute]

Nothing is being twisted on the remain side. You are back on your Juncker hit. Yes, there was controversy about his appointment. No one is doubting his ability and intelligence though. What was the final outcome of the review of his appointment?

Not on about Juncker now. It is someone not voted for that has a position that can't be taken away.

Look forward to how you defend this one.

 

[martcov]

OMG

So what is good about him?

When you have finished I will show you how wrong you are.

Everyone says he is intelligent, hard working, effective, pays attention to detail and believes in the „firm“ he is working for. Even some of his critics.

Now tell me how David Davis compares.

 

[Astute]

He is with some, and not with others.

The EU Ombudsman has opened an investigation into the controversial promotion of European Commission chief Jean-Claude Juncker’s right-hand man, it said on Monday (14 May).

The probe follows complaints lodged by Dutch and French members of the European Parliament about the sudden rise of Martin Selmayr, said European Ombudsman Emily O’Reilly in a letter to the commission dated 8 May.

Letter opening cases 488/2018/KR and 514/2018/KR on the European Commission’s appointment of a new Secretary-General European Ombudsman via @EUombudsman Ombudsman keeps kicking the #Selmayr can

— Georgi Gotev (@GeorgiGotev) May 14, 2018



The European Parliament last month overwhelmingly backed a motion slamming the “coup-like” elevation of Germany’s Selmayr to the top civil service post in the 30,000-person commission in February.

 

[Astute]

Everyone says he is intelligent, hard working, effective, pays attention to detail and believes in the „firm“ he is working for. Even some of his critics.

Now tell me how David Davis compares.

How unusual for you to try and deflect when questions are asked about someone who is a part of the EU.

Yet another dodgy deal with links to Juncker.

 

[Grendel]

Everyone says he is intelligent, hard working, effective, pays attention to detail and believes in the „firm“ he is working for. Even some of his critics.

Now tell me how David Davis compares.

Everyone - so not one person has accused him of the contrary in the whole universe - are you sure about that?