I haven’t counted and I don’t know how many are very pissed off or just annoyed. I have not defended the method of appointment, but from what we know, he seems to be qualified candidate.
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I haven’t counted and I don’t know how many are very pissed off or just annoyed. I have not defended the method of appointment, but from what we know, he seems to be qualified candidate.
Astute
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So what about the Guardian and FT?
What a deduction... I don’t even need to comment... you just tell me what I think..
Astute
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Qualified in what way?
Even Merkel isn't happy. Or at least she made out so.
So why is nobody asking me why I am not happy with the EU this evening. Because they were asking me this morning.
Because it has turned to sensationalism and is taking a hard leave line. Leave won, why the heated up rhetoric? Or do they see Brexit being an almighty cock up and want to divert the heat to the EU?
Astute
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You are the only one I can find that thinks he is the right person for the job. Can't find anyone in the EU that is happy.
The Telegraph actually told you between the „German“, „NAZI grandfather“ etc..
Astute
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Divert the heat?
So the vast majority of the people in the EU are pissed off just because they want to take the heat off Brexit?
As for Grendelfacts, I never said that the Mail was a Nazi rag. The Telegraph brought up the subject of Nazis when talking about a German EU official. Why?
I said the Telegraph is now a leave rag.
No. We don’t know if the vast majority are or not. We do know that Telegraph is getting more pro leave as Brexit falters.
The Telegraph mentioned the Nazi grandfather bit. You seem to be protecting the Telegraph, maybe you could explain what that has to do with his appointment and why the Telegraph thinks it is relevant?
skybluetony176
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Sounds more like you’re making your own facts up based on something Mart said.
Astute
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He was convicted of war crimes. Isn't that good enough for you?
Astute
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From the FT. Selmayr likes being called what you are having a go at others for saying.
Martin Selmayr is notorious and he loves it. While his influence is currently most keenly felt within the Brussels Beltway, the German lawyer, 46, sitting in an office festooned with euro memorabilia, jelly sweets and bumper crisp packets, is about to play a pivotal role in Brexit. Viewed by some in London as a dark force and in Brussels as possessing almost mystical powers, few doubt his crucial role in the talks that will reset Britain’s future. A half-smile crosses Selmayr’s lips as he is asked about his fearsome nicknames, which range from Rasputin to “the monster”, an affectionate moniker from his boss, European Commission president Jean-Claude Juncker. “If you look into the history of Rasputin, that can be both flattering and not — Lenin can be flattering or not,” he says. “If it means there is an efficient manager, somebody who is not a wimp, I’m OK with that. You can’t run the European Commission like a Montessori school.” When the history of Brexit comes to be told, Selmayr — an official who rose spectacularly through the Brussels ranks to become Juncker’s all-powerful chief of staff — will be a central figure. “Do you know the difference between Selmayr and God?” Wolfgang Schäuble, Germany’s veteran finance minister, once joked. “God knows he’s not Selmayr.”
Martin Selmayr is notorious and he loves it. While his influence is currently most keenly felt within the Brussels Beltway, the German lawyer, 46, sitting in an office festooned with euro memorabilia, jelly sweets and bumper crisp packets, is about to play a pivotal role in Brexit. Viewed by some in London as a dark force and in Brussels as possessing almost mystical powers, few doubt his crucial role in the talks that will reset Britain’s future. A half-smile crosses Selmayr’s lips as he is asked about his fearsome nicknames, which range from Rasputin to “the monster”, an affectionate moniker from his boss, European Commission president Jean-Claude Juncker. “If you look into the history of Rasputin, that can be both flattering and not — Lenin can be flattering or not,” he says. “If it means there is an efficient manager, somebody who is not a wimp, I’m OK with that. You can’t run the European Commission like a Montessori school.” When the history of Brexit comes to be told, Selmayr — an official who rose spectacularly through the Brussels ranks to become Juncker’s all-powerful chief of staff — will be a central figure. “Do you know the difference between Selmayr and God?” Wolfgang Schäuble, Germany’s veteran finance minister, once joked. “God knows he’s not Selmayr.”
Grendel
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Bless - Tony and Mart living together in perfect harmony
Grendel
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What I’m more interested in is your view that all right wing papers are rags and support Brexit
The telegraph has a pathetic readership and I’ve never read it to my knowledge
Grendel
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Whose Monster by the way?
skybluetony176
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Well it is nice to have someone. Not that you would know you sad loner.
Astute
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And back to Salmayr.
You wanted to know why I am so unhappy with the way the EU is run. I have come out with another reason today. So what is your view on his self appointment?
He got 2 jobs in 19 minutes. He wasn't high up enough to get the job. So he took a role which was high enough to get the role he now has.
He had an important job in the Weimar Republic. Leutnant in the 3. Reich and Brigadier in the Bundesrepublik. He didn’t serve his time as he was considered useful to the BRD.
He... was the paternal grandfather of an EU official. I don’t know what this has to do with the EU.
If you want to talk about grandfathers in the 3. Reich, let’s talk about Farage speaking at an election rally for a party led by the granddaughter of a Nazi cabinet minister. That is a bigger connection to Britain and the leave movement, and to Nazi politics.
I didn’t say that. Although the Sun and Mail are right wing rags.
Some view him as a mystical figure... could be seen as a compliment. But you think everyone is against him. But, I am not really that bothered about him or his grandfather. We wouldn’t even be talking about him if Brexit was going well. It isn’t. So, let’s get angry about someone in the EU which we are leaving anyway.
Half of the voters ( slightly more than half ) voted for Brexit. Enjoy it. Stop moaning about officials that will soon be irrelevant to the UK. I would be watching what is happening in the USA, our future trading partner.
I don’t get why you are even concerned as you are totally convinced of the benefits of leaving. Let the EU get on with it.
I think it is amazing... how does that work? It obviously should not be possible to pull that stunt. But, there we are, or at least we, the UK are. But apart from tossers like Farage saying that this is the reason we left the EU, it is of little relevance to an ex member of the EU. The rhetoric has been stepped up to cover the government and leavers should we end up in the mire. He will be the villain, and the Germans as usual.
skybluetony176
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Don’t know.
Try this about you friend Kate Howie. Brexiteer Labour MP Kate Hoey suffers vote of no confidence from her constituency
SkyblueBazza
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You said we wanted to have our cake & eat it Mart. Perhaps the SM & CU are only part of the cake. When in the EU...we have to give up some cake. Leaving it...we have to give up some cake too.
The fact is - the EU & UK could already have agreed to trade under pretty much free conditions if both sides want it. The EU has agreed a free trade agreement with Japan. What stops the same arrangement with the UK? Nothing except conditions applied by one side or the other...& given the article posted earlier about Juncker's flunky - there could easily be some spiteful punitive motives at play from one side
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SkyblueBazza
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See I disagree with you. I don't think it is proper to compare him with a monster, NAZI grandfather etc. He may well be a nasty piece of work though
Lol...you set yourself up for that one beautifully!
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SkyblueBazza
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Havent asked for that yet? Are you actually imagining that you are involved in the negotiations Mart? Or so beguiled by your EU mouthpieces that you believe all they say as gospel?
It appears the UK doesn't want FOM, but does want to trade freely with the EU. If they can allow Japan...what stops them allowing the UK?
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SkyblueBazza
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If you voted leave...you have already been branded as stupid by some on here. So stay home & save your hard earned cash!
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Astute
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Exactly.
Shows how flawed the EU system is. But don't worry Mart will defend whatever happens.
Is there anyone else that detests the UK that could get themselves in a position to have a go at us?
Astute
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Hello Tony.
Still waiting for your views on Selmayr and the way he could get himself a top position in the EU when nobody even knew there was a vacancy and when he didn't have a position that meant he could have got this position and that it is impossible to remove him.
You wanted to know why I don't trust the EU. I want to know if you think I am right or wrong not to trust them.
SkyblueBazza
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SkyblueBazza
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That is hard because you say so much...& then contradict 1/3 of what you said.
Clever defence mechanism though...I'll give you that!
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SkyblueBazza
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Or see Brexit being threatened...so are ramping it up to keep people focused on wanting to leave?
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