The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (268 Viewers)

[SkyblueBazza]

Are you really classifying Brexit with a double promotion in the EU commission? Brexit is a country leaving the biggest trading bloc in the world and is absolutely no comparison with political intrigues in the EU.

Do you think the EU should break their rules for a country that is leaving based on the promotion of an official and on his grandfather‘s career record?

No...it should pacify the wrongdoers who have threatened to resign if they cannot have their way - what next? Where (if ever) will the other countries in the EU draw the line? Are they waiting until someone declares a dictatorship?

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[martcov]

They broke their rules to put Selmayr in the position.

So what is your point?

Because the UK hasn't broke any rules. And there are no rules being broken for us asking for a deal that would benefit all involved.

But you know this.

Somebody may have fiddled their election expenses ( eg UKIP use of EU funds), but this is no comparison to the 4 freedoms. You know this.

The whole system is rule based and relies on 28 countries sticking to the rules. Yes, some break some rules, but no one is breaking the 4 freedoms. No way the EU is going to officially alter that for an ex member. Why should they?

More like they can add a bit of flexibility with a Norway deal.

An opinion: 'Now that the Chequers deal is off the table, even the Brexiteers are turning towards the single market and the EEA'

 

[martcov]

Reform the EU?

Are you having a laugh. They can't even keep to their own rules and regulations.

No. Your example of Semayr was not about breaking rules. The decision was upheld. They will stop it happening again.

 

[SkyblueBazza]

Or they might just get on with their own lives and be not really bothered about the fate of the UK. Most have seen the problems caused by Brexit and prefer to stay in and reform the EU. That is even Bannon’s strategy.

We raised the need to reform, tried to encourage it, went almost begging for leeway & flexibility.
The EU wasn't interested.

Those in top positions now are even less likely to reform along the lines the UK sought. More probably will speed up progression towards their various (changing?) vision

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[skybluetony176]

So a member of a Christian (alarm bells!) Democratic Political party with centre-right agenda...undemocratically gains a position to steer a supposedly democratic EU in reaching a deal over Brexit.

Yes...I see your point - irrelevant indeed!

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It is, completely. To suggest otherwise is a red herring. He’s there to carry out the EU’s vision not his own. If he was a looney leftie it would still be irrelevant. For the same reasons.

 

[skybluetony176]

Its irrelevant?

Just shows everyone that you don't have a clue or you can't make up bullshit that is even slightly believable concerning Selmayr.

I suppose it doesn't even show how corrupt the EU system is.

And I suppose it is irrelevant that he is anti UK and doesn't want us to have any sort of deal at all.

But I suppose you can blame those who voted leave more than those who are corrupt. Yet you deny that the EU system being corrupt isn't in any way a reason for leaving.

Says it all to me.

I would have thought you’d have thought it’s irrelevant more than anyone. Given that you think that Junker is some Lex Luther type character dictating everything from the top of the tree. It doesn’t matter who’s below Lex Luther will always be at the top pulling the undemocratic strings below. If you truly believe that (and there’s pages and pages of you saying that) then it shouldn’t matter whether it’s punch or Judy on the end of the string. Maybe you just don’t believe what you’ve been saying.

 

[Sick Boy]

Silly argument imo. How many of those countries have given their people a referendum since our decision to leave? And even if they did tomorrow - there is no known outcome as yet from Brexit. Others might well be watching with interest, or Brexit might actually bond those left closer - either way...we're leaving

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How much demand is there for a referedum in other countries? I'd say France was probably the strongest yest the National Front was rejected by voters.

 

[Sick Boy]

How is official administrators decisions to fly whatever flag they feel inclined ANY indication of what everyday memebrs of their public think or want?
Flying the EU flag over eastablishment buildings & corporations didn't seem to cut the mustard in the UK did it?

As for these other countries joining the UK & departing...I think that is entierly up to them. Some think as successful Brexit will encourage others to follow suit - that is entierly possible, but not a given!

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Apart from this isn't from government buildings, most of them are flown from businesses on the seafront, owned by 'ordinary people'.

 

[Sick Boy]

One for @Astute, surely you were horrified at this, must have missed your posts pointing out the good the EU was doing here - https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...tax-haven-blacklist-uk-blocking-a8043881.html

 

[skybluetony176]

One for @Astute, surely you were horrified at this, must have missed your posts pointing out the good the EU was doing here - https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...tax-haven-blacklist-uk-blocking-a8043881.html

When will you learn. It’s all Lex Luther’s, sorry I mean Junkers fault.

 

[martcov]

We raised the need to reform, tried to encourage it, went almost begging for leeway & flexibility.
The EU wasn't interested.

Those in top positions now are even less likely to reform along the lines the UK sought. More probably will speed up progression towards their various (changing?) vision

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We tried to get some reforms such as making benefit tourism more difficult for which there was support. There was no support for ending FOM because it is one of the 4 freedoms and is not up for discussion.

Reform covers a large area which could and should be reformed. The EU is still very young and has to evolve. It will always need to evolve as any organisation. To say we tried, but they are not interested in reform is not true. They don’t want to sacrifice one of the 4 freedoms for one of 28 countries, that is true. Understandable really.

 

[martcov]

So what are the guidelines?

Oh I forgot there isn't any.

Of course there are guidelines... 17,4 million voted knowing what Brexit is. They just have now to put forward workable proposals to see it through. Ask any leaver if they knew what they were voting for and they will say yes. Can’t see the problem really. Where are BoJo, Farage, Banks, Wigmore, Davis, Rees Mogg when you need them? They just have to explain the proposals and we can all move on.

 

[SkyblueBazza]

Somebody may have fiddled their election expenses ( eg UKIP use of EU funds), but this is no comparison to the 4 freedoms. You know this.

The whole system is rule based and relies on 28 countries sticking to the rules. Yes, some break some rules, but no one is breaking the 4 freedoms. No way the EU is going to officially alter that for an ex member. Why should they?

More like they can add a bit of flexibility with a Norway deal.

An opinion: 'Now that the Chequers deal is off the table, even the Brexiteers are turning towards the single market and the EEA'

Well which of these countries had the freedom to choose who was appointed Secretary-General of the European Commission?
It is a power-grab scenario, plain & simple.

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[SkyblueBazza]

How much demand is there for a referedum in other countries? I'd say France was probably the strongest yest the National Front was rejected by voters.

I don't know - you were sniding that no other countries are leaving. I am pointing out that no referendum has been held anywhere else (yet?) to establish if any other nation wishes to leave,

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[Cov City Daytrader 87]

I had reservations about putting out this video. So I first decided to speak to another sky blues talk member via PM and they said I'll should.

So the following has to do with E.U/Brexit. However religious those play a part in this. If you're non religious watch this with a non-bias open mind regardless of political view (meaning pro EU/Brexit) from start to finish.

Now after it you'll either change/not change your view this Brexit situation.

Topics covered:

Gods view on E.U. the connection between Nimrod/E.U, things that Christians don't know. UN discussed. Feminist. Democracy. What's Japan or Adolf Hitler relevance to this video? and many more to name.

So enjoy the video.

As for my opinion. Fascinating, food for thought and eye/ear opener(revelation).

 

[martcov]

I don't know - you were sniding that no other countries are leaving. I am pointing out that no referendum has been held anywhere else (yet?) to establish if any other nation wishes to leave,

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Why would countries want a referendum on such a complicated subject as membership of the EU? Do they have them for the UN? Or for NATO? Having seen the mess the UK is in, I think most would give it a miss. Will we have a referendum on any great trade deal Trump gives us? Gene manipulated food? Hormone beef? Chlorinated chicken? Privatisation of the NHS? No, of course not, although a trade deal against our ethics or interests could cause mayhem.

The referendum should not have taken place as there was no earth shattering/ country‘s life changing EU proposal to decide upon. It was purely a promise of a referendum to get Cameron over the line despite the increased interest in UKIP.

Tory self interest, and now people are trawling to find reasons to blame the EU for a self interest ploy that backfired.

If Brexit goes pear shaped, I hope the right people get to carry the can.

 

[martcov]

Well which of these countries had the freedom to choose who was appointed Secretary-General of the European Commission?
It is a power-grab scenario, plain & simple.

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Whatever you think, there are 28 countries and 1 position that was taken. It wasn’t decided on a single country basis, but if it were, 27 would not have the freedom to choose who they wanted. That is maths not my opinion or a cunning EU plot.

 

[Sick Boy]

I don't know - you were sniding that no other countries are leaving. I am pointing out that no referendum has been held anywhere else (yet?) to establish if any other nation wishes to leave,

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I was discussing the predictions that were both on here and in the press. The goalposts seem to move constantly though, so not surprised that it's now based on the next 20 years.

 

[Sick Boy]

If Brexit goes pear shaped, I hope the right people get to carry the can.

What are the odds that it will always be someone else's fault?

 

[Sick Boy]

I had reservations about putting out this video. So I first decided to speak to another sky blues talk member via PM and they said I'll should.

So the following has to do with E.U/Brexit. However religious those play a part in this. If you're non religious watch this with a non-bias open mind regardless of political view (meaning pro EU/Brexit) from start to finish.

Now after it you'll either change/not change your view this Brexit situation.

Topics covered:

Gods view on E.U. the connection between Nimrod/E.U, things that Christians don't know. UN discussed. Feminist. Democracy. What's Japan or Adolf Hitler relevance to this video? and many more to name.

So enjoy the video.

As for my opinion. Fascinating, food for thought and eye/ear opener(revelation).

Yeah, I'm sure there's huge demand on here for that nut job.

Perhaps you should have posted another classic about how the iPhone is going to bring down Australia and usher in the AntiChrist?

 

[martcov]

What are the odds that it will always be someone else's fault?

I doubt whether you will find any takers for that bet...

 

[martcov]

Just for Astute: Ukip to team up in 'unholy alliance' with Steve Bannon's new far right European movement

And you are worried about someone‘s granddad‘s Wehrmacht CV..... now UKIP are aligning with the US fascists. What on earth are they doing... Britain First via Bannon?

 

[Grendel]

Just for Astute: Ukip to team up in 'unholy alliance' with Steve Bannon's new far right European movement

And you are worried about someone‘s granddad‘s Wehrmacht CV..... now UKIP are aligning with the US fascists. What on earth are they doing... Britain First via Bannon?

The problem is ukip are a dead party so it’s irrelevant.

Didn’t you refer to Nazi grandparents owning newspapers yesterday?

 

[Sick Boy]

The problem is ukip are a dead party so it’s irrelevant.

Didn’t you refer to Nazi grandparents owning newspapers yesterday?

That's your only comment about an American looking to cause problems and push the far-right agenda in Europe?

 

[Sick Boy]

Just for Astute: Ukip to team up in 'unholy alliance' with Steve Bannon's new far right European movement

And you are worried about someone‘s granddad‘s Wehrmacht CV..... now UKIP are aligning with the US fascists. What on earth are they doing... Britain First via Bannon?

He will have an excuse to deflect away from them as usual.

 

[Sick Boy]

Steve Bannon Now Claims He's Been In Contact With Gove And Rees-Mogg

Steve Bannon: 'Let them call you racist ... Wear it as a badge of honor'

I know what side I'd rather be on, thanks.

 

[martcov]

The problem is ukip are a dead party so it’s irrelevant.

Didn’t you refer to Nazi grandparents owning newspapers yesterday?

No. I think you are getting confused again.

Look up Sippenhaft. It is what you guys are doing with Selmeyer‘s Granddad.

UKIP will be coming into some money through this. G and Ts allround for Farage and Co. Farage is threatening a come back and is best mates with sloppy Steve.

 

[Grendel]

That's your only comment about an American looking to cause problems and push the far-right agenda in Europe?

He’s bound to - he’s got plenty of listeners in Europe hasn’t he?

 

[Grendel]

No. I think you are getting confused again.

Look up Sippenhaft. It is what you guys are doing with Selmeyer‘s Granddad.

UKIP will be coming into some money through this. G and Ts allround for Farage and Co. Farage is threatening a come back and is best mates with sloppy Steve.

Who are “you guys?”

Again -ukip as a political party are an irrelevance. They have never had an elected MP and never will half.

We don’t have one in every 7 adults as Nazis unlike in your fatherland

 

[Sick Boy]

He’s bound to - he’s got plenty of listeners in Europe hasn’t he?

you'd like to think that most would be aware of how the continent fared last time sections of it went to the far-right.

 

[Grendel]

you'd like to think that most would be aware of how the continent fared last time sections of it went to the far-right.

The only reason there is far right extremism is due to the EU and it’s arrogance and disdain for many of the member states it pretends to support.

 

[Sick Boy]

Who are “you guys?”

Again -ukip as a political party are an irrelevance. They have never had an elected MP and never will half.

We don’t have one in every 7 adults as Nazis unlike in your fatherland

I think you're being a bit complacent here; how much % did the BNP get in 2010? And then UKIP in the following election? IMO we are more likely to see a new far right party than one in the centre. Look at the Tommy Robinson stuff, which of the 2 main parties do you think they're going to vote for? Can you not see that there is an opportunity for a far right party in the UK to capitalise on this? I think that with the likes of Bannon poking their noses in, it would end up as the 3rd party.

 

[Sick Boy]

The only reason there is far right extremism is due to the EU and it’s arrogance and disdain for many of the member states it pretends to support.

Going to have to respectfully disagree with you on that one.

Is it also responsible for the rise of the alt-right in America?

 

[martcov]

Who are “you guys?”

Again -ukip as a political party are an irrelevance. They have never had an elected MP and never will half.

We don’t have one in every 7 adults as Nazis unlike in your fatherland

1 in 8 very Right wing, not necessarily Nazis. Germany is not my fatherland. Britain is.

Cameron didn’t think UKIP were irrelevant. That’s why we are here.

 

[Westendlad]

So the EU has done something to make the process easy?

This is a joke. We all known the truth.

Yes we voted leave. Now they are doing what they can to force us to stay. But you will also disagree with this.

Crooked dealings from a crooked organisation.

The EU know full well that once we're out others will follow suit.....Will be like a pack of cards