The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (255 Viewers)

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As of right now, how are thinking of voting? In or out

  • Remain

    Votes: 23 37.1%

  • Leave

    Votes: 35 56.5%

  • Undecided

    Votes: 3 4.8%

  • Not registered or not intention to vote

    Votes: 1 1.6%
  • Total voters
    62
  • Poll closed .
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martcov

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Sick Boy said:
I think you're being a bit complacent here; how much % did the BNP get in 2010? And then UKIP in the following election? IMO we are more likely to see a new far right party than one in the centre. Look at the Tommy Robinson stuff, which of the 2 main parties do you think they're going to vote for? Can you not see that there is an opportunity for a far right party in the UK to capitalise on this? I think that with the likes of Bannon poking their noses in, it would end up as the 3rd party.
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Bannon has a reputation for getting things going. And he has access to finance from the richest families in the USA.

I think the working class ( nowadays different from cloth capped workers ). will be screwed if they let these people near power. But judging by what happened in America, emotions and general reality TV excitement is more important than watching what’s happening to people‘s rights.
 
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martcov

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Westendlad said:
The EU know full well that once we're out others will follow suit.....Will be like a pack of cards :)
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They know that support for the EU has grown since Brexit and anyone looking at our cock up would think twice about leaving. Besides which the alt right don’t want to smash the EU completely. They want to weaken it from within and make it more into a grouping of nation states, not united. Bannon‘s backers want Europe to function, but not be a strong negotiator in trade or politics.
 
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martcov

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Grendel said:
The only reason there is far right extremism is due to the EU and it’s arrogance and disdain for many of the member states it pretends to support.
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If the EU wasn’t there, some people would still blame foreigners for anything that goes wrong in their lives. Before the EU came into its present form it was the „pakis“ and before that the „paddies“ ( quoting other people btw ). No doubt at some time in the past it was the people in the next village that were the problem, or witches, or heretics, or pagans... the list is endless. But, you just make things up to fit your current anti evil EU agenda.
 
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SkyblueBazza

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martcov said:
Why would countries want a referendum on such a complicated subject as membership of the EU? Do they have them for the UN? Or for NATO? Having seen the mess the UK is in, I think most would give it a miss. Will we have a referendum on any great trade deal Trump gives us? Gene manipulated food? Hormone beef? Chlorinated chicken? Privatisation of the NHS? No, of course not, although a trade deal against our ethics or interests could cause mayhem.

The referendum should not have taken place as there was no earth shattering/ country‘s life changing EU proposal to decide upon. It was purely a promise of a referendum to get Cameron over the line despite the increased interest in UKIP.

Tory self interest, and now people are trawling to find reasons to blame the EU for a self interest ploy that backfired.

If Brexit goes pear shaped, I hope the right people get to carry the can.
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Well that is a bit of a stupid thimg to say. Why would a country want a referendum on anything? Why did we have one? I'd hazard a guess that many remainers were in favour of a referendum just to put the whole thing to bed (mind that egg!) We will see how many give it a miss if the UK prospers. The EU cracks are deepening..."Hungarian PM sees shift to illiberal Christian democracy in 2019 European vote" - Hungarian PM sees shift to illiberal Christian democracy in 2019...
Give it a miss? Countries have had referendums on the EU constitution, sometimes had further ones until they voted 'properly'! Democracy at work!?
You are late with your medication again I suspect - you appear to be both going around in circles AND foaming at the mouth

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SkyblueBazza

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martcov said:
Whatever you think, there are 28 countries and 1 position that was taken. It wasn’t decided on a single country basis, but if it were, 27 would not have the freedom to choose who they wanted. That is maths not my opinion or a cunning EU plot.
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But instead...the EU democracy had this man imposed upon them - by one individual. And then said individual threatened to resign if opposed. And the lilly-livered members cow-towed to that tune rather than risk any upset or turmoil - ignoring the potential for that which may result in the future

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SkyblueBazza

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Sick Boy said:
I was discussing the predictions that were both on here and in the press. The goalposts seem to move constantly though, so not surprised that it's now based on the next 20 years.
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I'd be surprised if there were many beside yourself expecting instant reaction

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Westendlad

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martcov said:
They know that support for the EU has grown since Brexit and anyone looking at our cock up would think twice about leaving. Besides which the alt right don’t want to smash the EU completely. They want to weaken it from within and make it more into a grouping of nation states, not united. Bannon‘s backers want Europe to function, but not be a strong negotiator in trade or politics.
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Cock up because the mp's are thinking of themselves. Read today that mep's will get a nice payout when they lose their jobs..Cunts.
 
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martcov

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SkyblueBazza said:
Well that is a bit of a stupid thimg to say. Why would a country want a referendum on anything? Why did we have one? I'd hazard a guess that many remainers were in favour of a referendum just to put the whole thing to bed (mind that egg!) We will see how many give it a miss if the UK prospers. The EU cracks are deepening..."Hungarian PM sees shift to illiberal Christian democracy in 2019 European vote" - Hungarian PM sees shift to illiberal Christian democracy in 2019...
Give it a miss? Countries have had referendums on the EU constitution, sometimes had further ones until they voted 'properly'! Democracy at work!?
You are late with your medication again I suspect - you appear to be both going around in circles AND foaming at the mouth

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Foaming at the mouth for pointing out that there is not a need for constant referenda. I doubt whether remainers wanted a referendum. The people who kept on about it were the people frothing at the mouth because of the influx of foreigners. We didn’t have it for a specific reason such as approving a new constitution. We had it for Cameron to win an election by keeping the eurosceptics on board.

We don’t have many referenda because they can be easily manipulated by populists. People who liked referenda include Hitler, Sadam and Putin. Funnily enough they were usually to confirm things the government was doing or had done. Having a referendum for a government not do something is unusual.
 
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SkyblueBazza

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Sick Boy said:
That's your only comment about an American looking to cause problems and push the far-right agenda in Europe?
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The EU is doing it's best efforts on that one too. Otherwise we wouldn't be seeing the right rising as you keep pointing out

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SkyblueBazza

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Sick Boy said:
That's your only comment about an American looking to cause problems and push the far-right agenda in Europe?
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Getting your excuses lined up ready for 2019 EU elections by any chance are you?
Always someone else's fault like was said earlier!

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SkyblueBazza

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martcov said:
They know that support for the EU has grown since Brexit and anyone looking at our cock up would think twice about leaving. Besides which the alt right don’t want to smash the EU completely. They want to weaken it from within and make it more into a grouping of nation states, not united. Bannon‘s backers want Europe to function, but not be a strong negotiator in trade or politics.
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Struth...deluded beyond belief

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SkyblueBazza

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martcov said:
Bannon has a reputation for getting things going. And he has access to finance from the richest families in the USA.

I think the working class ( nowadays different from cloth capped workers ). will be screwed if they let these people near power. But judging by what happened in America, emotions and general reality TV excitement is more important than watching what’s happening to people‘s rights.
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The parallels with Selmayr are pretty astounding aren't they. Interesting that you don't perceive him as a threat & he is already empowered!

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SkyblueBazza

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martcov said:
Foaming at the mouth for pointing out that there is not a need for constant referenda. I doubt whether remainers wanted a referendum. The people who kept on about it were the people frothing at the mouth because of the influx of foreigners. We didn’t have it for a specific reason such as approving a new constitution. We had it for Cameron to win an election by keeping the eurosceptics on board.

We don’t have many referenda because they can be easily manipulated by populists. People who liked referenda include Hitler, Sadam and Putin. Funnily enough they were usually to confirm things the government was doing or had done. Having a referendum for a government not do something is unusual.
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See...you're off on one. Who said anything about constant referenda except you just now? And why are you pursuing another for the UK?

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Westendlad

Westendlad

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Thing i find most amusing is that Blair who caused all this anti eu with his open borders plan and now the horrible little shite will be out of a job. Love it !
 
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martcov

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SkyblueBazza said:
See...you're off on one. Who said anything about constant referenda except you just now? And why are you pursuing another for the UK?

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You mentioned other EU countries wanting referenda not me. I don’t think referenda are the way to govern countries. With the exception of Switzerland which has a tradition. All EU countries are parliamentary democracies not direct democracies, so there is no automatic requirement for referenda and referenda are even banned in Germany at state level because of bad experiences in the past.

Yes I want another in the UK. The people were misled on the last one ( yeah, I know, also by remain), and only a vote by the people can rectify the damage being done. If parliament don’t honour the referendum or make a deal the people don’t want, then people would lose faith in it. In other words we have to go back to the people when we actually know what Brexit entails. And give them the option „Take it, or leave it“.
 
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martcov

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SkyblueBazza said:
But instead...the EU democracy had this man imposed upon them - by one individual. And then said individual threatened to resign if opposed. And the lilly-livered members cow-towed to that tune rather than risk any upset or turmoil - ignoring the potential for that which may result in the future

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What is his function? Which part of EU democracy had him imposed upon it?
 
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martcov

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SkyblueBazza said:
Well you guys blame everything on others, so you surely aren't telling me you have an issue with that?

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Yes indeed. Blame on those who deliberately do things to divide and rule. I blame the people who promised you the world and fed you disinformation and lies. I don’t blame migrants and the EU for everything though.
 
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martcov

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SkyblueBazza said:
Getting your excuses lined up ready for 2019 EU elections by any chance are you?
Always someone else's fault like was said earlier!

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Bannon has in effect said that he wants it to be his fault if 30% of MEPs are far right. That is his aim. He will even brag about if it happens and claim the glory.

It wouldn’t be an excuse, but an acknowledged fact. How do you blame someone who has fulfilled what he set out to achieve?

Not the same as just saying the EU is to blame for everything.
 
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Westendlad said:
Thing i find most amusing is that Blair who caused all this anti eu with his open borders plan and now the horrible little shite will be out of a job. Love it !
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Presumably you mean when it expanded to the east? The UK took the option not to impose restrictions on those countries unlike Germany, for example.
 
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SkyblueBazza

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martcov said:
You mentioned other EU countries wanting referenda not me. I don’t think referenda are the way to govern countries. With the exception of Switzerland which has a tradition. All EU countries are parliamentary democracies not direct democracies, so there is no automatic requirement for referenda and referenda are even banned in Germany at state level because of bad experiences in the past.

Yes I want another in the UK. The people were misled on the last one ( yeah, I know, also by remain), and only a vote by the people can rectify the damage being done. If parliament don’t honour the referendum or make a deal the people don’t want, then people would lose faith in it. In other words we have to go back to the people when we actually know what Brexit entails. And give them the option „Take it, or leave it“.
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Readcthe posts...I don't say that at all.
You demented gibbering wreck

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