The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (14 Viewers)

[torchomatic]

So what do you call false?

Even Mart admitted it is true. No conspiracies here.

Or would you like to say what isn't true?

I'll throw a question out to you and others too. Why is the stockpiling of food and medicines a good thing? Is that a sign of our sovereignty and "taking back control"?

You may as well explain that one along with why i should be worried about the EUs direction.

 

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[martcov]

Don't you have the slightest worry about what direction the EU is going in?

Says someone living in a country probably crashing out of the largest trading bloc in the world without a deal and in a leadership crisis. Now having to renegotiate with 164 countries in the WTO. And you‘re worried about where the EU is headed?

 

[martcov]

Is it comedy day today?

You always refuse to talk about Juncker. So who is the 'we' bit?

A wind up that the EU's own rules have been broken? I wish it was. But you try to defend or ignore/say news has come from a rag so shouldn't count. You admit that it shouldn't have happened but make out that it doesn't matter. Strong links to the top of Germany but also make out as though it makes no difference.

Yeah OK Mart.

Farage in the news every day?

Shows you know nothing.....or just make things up to deflect.

You wanted to know yesterday why I distrust the EU. Someone coming from nowhere to being in charge of 33,000 people in 19 minutes that wasn't allowed by the rules isn't good enough for you?

It certainly is comedy day. You have me in stitches.

I said the method of appointment was wrong. Unbelievable actually. Turns out that it stands, but was not in the spirit of the law and will not be accepted again. Mild slap on the wrists. No defence by me there.

Strong links to Germany... after 50 years of not strong links. See it in relation.

He didn’t come from nowhere, he was like a Secretary of State. And he is well qualified. It was accepted as allowed by the rules, technically, but not in the spirit of the rules. Nevertheless extreme bending of the rules. No defence again, just stating facts.

 

[martcov]

He was Junkers campaign bully who managed to “persuade” members to vote for junker. He was appointed to a position to enable him to get an application for the top job. A job many observers commented he was not qualified for.

Then he applied for his current job which it seems wasn’t actually advertised and he strangely was the only candidate although apparently someone else pulled out. It’s suggested by insiders in the Eu there was payments and promises made to make it happen.

He is seen as no great thinker just a bully and a thug who bribes or intimidates to get his own way.

Just like FIFA

Which election did he fiddle? What is his job?

 

[Grendel]

Which election did he fiddle? What is his job?

We all know his job title I’ve answered the questions

 

[martcov]

We all know his job title I’ve answered the questions

Astute said he fiddled an election to get the job. A serious accusation. I asked you, and Astute, „which election?“. You have not answered the question. Just for clarity.

 

[martcov]

We all know his job title I’ve answered the questions

Good. Then tell me.

 

[SkyblueBazza]

Bannon has in effect said that he wants it to be his fault if 30% of MEPs are far right. That is his aim. He will even brag about if it happens and claim the glory.

It wouldn’t be an excuse, but an acknowledged fact. How do you blame someone who has fulfilled what he set out to achieve?

Not the same as just saying the EU is to blame for everything.

What..? You seem to do a good job of it with Farage

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[Otis]

I don't believe this! 508 pages in and we still haven't bought Conor Chaplin.

 

[SkyblueBazza]

What is his function? Which part of EU democracy had him imposed upon it?

The so called democracy that you proclaim the EU to be???

Read up on some of his antics in this and other roles

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[Grendel]

Good. Then tell me.

He’s title is Secretary General of the European Commission a grand title for a civil servant

 

[SkyblueBazza]

We all know his job title I’ve answered the questions

Ignore his job...and it's description. It is how he operates over & above that to get an objective - either one his boss has...or one of his own

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[SkyblueBazza]

More cracks...
"Italy's interior minister says EU trying to 'swindle' Britain - Sunday Times" - Italy's interior minister says EU trying to 'swindle' Britain -...

The day after Austrian minister also broke ranks a bit too

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[Grendel]

Ignore his job...and it's description. It is how he operates over & above that to get an objective - either one his boss has...or one of his own

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Marts deflecting as he realises this guys appointment was a stitch up and shows Eu to practice FIFA style democracy

 

[martcov]

What..? You seem to do a good job of it with Farage

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Explain. No time for riddles. I blame Farage not for winning, but for the damage done.

 

[martcov]

Marts deflecting as he realises this guys appointment was a stitch up and shows Eu to practice FIFA style democracy

No. I am trying to find out if anyone actually knows what his job is. I also keep asking which election he fiddled to get the job.

 

[Grendel]

No. I am trying to find out if anyone actually knows what his job is. I also keep asking which election he fiddled to get the job.

I’ve given you his job title. He’s a civil servant and hopelessly out of his depth according to press reports.

There was no election. It was a coronation as his reward for the job he performed in getting Junker elected when he was his enforcer.

 

[martcov]

Ignore his job...and it's description. It is how he operates over & above that to get an objective - either one his boss has...or one of his own

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Explain. Explain why his job is irrelevant to the discussion. I thought it was what the discussion was about and how he got it. You seem surprised that he tried to achieve what he is paid for.

 

[martcov]

I’ve given you his job title. He’s a civil servant and hopelessly out of his depth according to press reports.

There was no election. It was a coronation as his reward for the job he performed in getting Junker elected when he was his enforcer.

So, he didn’t fiddle an election to get the job which the Telegraph says he is well qualified for. Any proof that he is out of depth, or are you just saying things?

 

[Grendel]

So, he didn’t fiddle an election to get the job which the Telegraph says he is well qualified for. Any proof that he is out of depth, or are you just saying things?

I’ve read it in media stories about him. He’s apparently got no experience whatsoever and considered by many in the European Parliament to be not fit for purpose.

It’s odd you are refusing to comment on the widely held view his appointment was rigged through bribes and intimidation. The fact is you don’t even seem bothered.

 

[martcov]

More cracks...
"Italy's interior minister says EU trying to 'swindle' Britain - Sunday Times" - Italy's interior minister says EU trying to 'swindle' Britain -...

The day after Austrian minister also broke ranks a bit too

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Oh, you mean Bannon’s mate. Well, well...

He says she should walk away if necessary. Great. We are up sxxt creek and now need the advice of a far right Bannon conspirator.

If we do that and have to renegotiate our favourable terms that we have as an EU member we would be at the mercy of all members of the WTO. Which includes the USA, MAGA Trump government. Great.

Good luck with that.

Taking back control are we? Haha.

 

[martcov]

I’ve read it in media stories about him. He’s apparently got no experience whatsoever and considered by many in the European Parliament to be not fit for purpose.

It’s odd you are refusing to comment on the widely held view his appointment was rigged through bribes and intimidation. The fact is you don’t even seem bothered.

No. The fact is that it is a „view“ . I would be bothered if the „view“ turned out to be right. No doubt you are bothered as the leave campaign tricks are coming to light.

 

[martcov]

The so called democracy that you proclaim the EU to be???

Read up on some of his antics in this and other roles

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He is a civil servant. He is now in charge of the EU civil service administration. Since when do you have democratically elected civil servants? Apart from the head of the Commission. He has been imposed on the civil service, not on the democratic parliament.

 

[Grendel]

No. The fact is that it is a „view“ . I would be bothered if the „view“ turned out to be right. No doubt you are bothered as the leave campaign tricks are coming to light.

Lol so just like FIFA corruption wasn’t exposed for decades after the event and before that was just a view.

Mugawbwe won elections in the same way. It was only a view they were undemocratic.

So even though there was outrage through the parliament to his appointment you salute the flag.

Even though very pro European publications have condemned the appointment you salute the appointment of someone who is described as Eus Rasputin you think it’s ok.

Fucking hell

 

[Grendel]

I can't read French. Is the headline good? What does it say?
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It shows a picture of a prime minister whose popularity ratings are considerably higher than the increasingly absurd and allegedly corrupt Mr Macron

 

[Astute]

As i said explain to me.

What do you want explaining?

Why I think the way that the EU is run is corrupt?

If you can read it is self explanatory. How can you deny it? Even the most pro EU can do whatever they want to do supporters can't defend them on this.

 

[Astute]

Making things up again? Or could you at least clarify what I have admitted to?

That how Selmayr got his position was totally wrong.

Or have you thought about it and are now going to deny it?

 

[Astute]

I'll throw a question out to you and others too. Why is the stockpiling of food and medicines a good thing? Is that a sign of our sovereignty and "taking back control"?

You may as well explain that one along with why i should be worried about the EUs direction.

Why can't you take it seriously?

If the future is looked towards you have a go. If no precautions are taken you have a go. The EU refuses to say what type of deal is allowed on their terms. You blame the leave voters.

So what would you see as acceptable?

 

[Astute]

Which election did he fiddle? What is his job?

Fuck off Mart. Your lies are so obvious. How much more evidence do you need?

Is the idea to tell as many lies as you can and everyone will believe you?

So why can't any of the pro EU whatever they do tell the truth for once?

 

[Astute]

Says someone living in a country probably crashing out of the largest trading bloc in the world without a deal and in a leadership crisis. Now having to renegotiate with 164 countries in the WTO. And you‘re worried about where the EU is headed?

Yes I know Mart. You know the future and deny the past.

So are you saying that Selmayr got elected correctly now?

What do some people on here thinking they will gain by bullshitting through their teeth?

 

[Astute]

Explain. No time for riddles. I blame Farage not for winning, but for the damage done.

And blame nobody in the EU for any damage done to anything at all.

Just like you want everyone prosecuted for tax fraud that has said anything anti EU. But you have never mentioned one person who is pro EU. And you ignore the one person who made the system to allow companies a way not ti pay tax as long as they paid a small amount of money to him.

And you want people to take you seriously?

 

[Grendel]

Mart is like a member of Isis. He is brainwashed. It’s ironic that someone who constantly talks about media manipulation is the most media manipulated person on here.

 

[Sick Boy]

Is it comedy day today?

You always refuse to talk about Juncker. So who is the 'we' bit?

A wind up that the EU's own rules have been broken? I wish it was. But you try to defend or ignore/say news has come from a rag so shouldn't count. You admit that it shouldn't have happened but make out that it doesn't matter. Strong links to the top of Germany but also make out as though it makes no difference.

Yeah OK Mart.

Farage in the news every day?

Shows you know nothing.....or just make things up to deflect.

You wanted to know yesterday why I distrust the EU. Someone coming from nowhere to being in charge of 33,000 people in 19 minutes that wasn't allowed by the rules isn't good enough for you?

To be fair Farage is in the news quite often and is today singing the praises of UKIP getting involved in Bannon's project and Tommy Robinson potentially getting g a leading role in a UK wing of it.

 

[Sick Boy]

Mart is like a member of Isis. He is brainwashed. It’s ironic that someone who constantly talks about media manipulation is the most media manipulated person on here.

It's strange how brainwashing is applied to the side you're opposed to. The likes of yourself, Astute and others could be described in much the same way.

 

[Grendel]

It's strange how brainwashing is applied to the side you're opposed to. The likes of yourself, Astute and others could be described in much the same way.

How so? Mart is denying very obvious things that even the EU pro press and Parliament are critical of.

I’ve never wanted to be in the EU and have felt that way since the Maastricht treaty so how have I been brainwashed?