The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (17 Viewers)

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

The highest number are aged 25-34, thanks for the label of being young still.

The paid for ads would still have been shared with the younger audience organically by the older demographic though.

The issue is with ads and bots that contain deliberate fake news to rile people up. Whatever side it's aimed at is not acceptable at all and ends up being regurgitated as fact.

Even though I do these sorts of Ads myself, there's no way I would ever get a FB account again due to how it all works. I got one in 2006 and deleted it in 2008.

Facebook is a load of shit, and whilst it was once a good way to keep in touch with friends, is now just a shitty addictive platform full of videos and crap statues.

When the leave vote was announced I had to delete the app for a few weeks as I the 'we want to kill leave voters' (exaggeration) type statues were just too much. It was such a good few weeks being away from that shit.

 

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[Sick Boy]

Facebook is a load of shit, and whilst it was once a good way to keep in touch with friends, is now just a shitty addictive platform full of videos and crap statues.

When the leave vote was announced I had to delete the app for a few weeks as I the 'we want to kill leave voters' (exaggeration) type statues were just too much. It was such a good few weeks being away from that shit.

Yeah I think social media in general is very unhealthy, especially more for younger people who do not know a life without it. The only way I'd get it again would be to post the mundane and boring stuff in life as a reaction against everyone trying to out do each other.

 

[Astute]

Defend what? Nobody is defending Juncker’s coup. Just that the reality is that it has been upheld.

Farage is in the media everyday- sometimes he is on Fox News as he is busy liasing with the American right and spreading his fake news and lies there. But, as soon as he gets back he is on LBCor being quoted for supporting Tommy Robinson or today for praising his mate Bannon‘s plan.

It goes without saying that we should be in the EU, especially with Trump and Bannon around. No, we should not be turning a blind eye to what happens in the EU. We should be up there fighting to keep the chancers like Farage and Bannon out of it completely. That includes them butting in on an EU election which has fxxk all to do with them,

So you know that Farage is on the media but nobody else does. I don't even remember the last time I saw him on it. If it wasn't for this diabolical thread I would have forgotten about him by now.

 

[Astute]

I was talking about FB campaigns and the Leave campaigns being reported to the police. I suppose you will have a post truth fact soon to blame the Remain campaign for that as well

No idea. I don't do Farcebook and never will. And haven't seen it mentioned anywhere but here.

 

[Sick Boy]

No idea. I don't do Farcebook and never will. And haven't seen it mentioned anywhere but here.

No idea how you've missed it considering you're clearly interested in the EU debate.

 

[Sick Boy]

Army on standby for no-deal Brexit emergency

More good news.

 

[dancers lance]

Army on standby for no-deal Brexit emergency

More good news.

I'm shitting myself, Is this the end of the World? It must be because I could never imagine a scenario where the armed forces would be used as a contingency plan in a worst case scenario situation, like a strike by ambulance staff and firefighters, flood relief etc...etc. Wouldn't it be stupid for the British armed forces to stand up for the rights of the British people after they voted in a majority for change, offered to them by a democratically elected government, I can't think of a more important role for a countries armed forces to do than protect and support the people of it's country, can you? Isn't that the job?

 

[Sick Boy]

I'm shitting myself, Is this the end of the World? It must be because I could never imagine a scenario where the armed forces would be used as a contingency plan in a worst case scenario situation, like a strike by ambulance staff and firefighters, flood relief etc...etc. Wouldn't it be stupid for the British armed forces to stand up for the rights of the British people after they voted in a majority for change, offered to them by a democratically elected government, I can't think of a more important role for a countries armed forces to do than protect and support the people of it's country, can you? Isn't that the job?

Missing the point entirely there.

 

[Astute]

No idea how you've missed it considering you're clearly interested in the EU debate.

Did you miss the Selmayr debacle or did you just not mention it because it shows how corrupt the EU system is? Because you're clearly interested in the EU debate.

The EU being corrupt is a lot bigger than people on Farcebook talking about an election. Because Juncker and Selmayr made sure there wasn't a vote so someone could get a position that he shouldn't have got. And they made sure that those who should have been in the running never got a chance.

I suppose you would have been happy if there was no Brexit vote because it was sorted out that we were leaving without one as those in charge of the UK had a plan on how to get what they wanted bypassing the vote.

 

[Sick Boy]

Did you miss the Selmayr debacle or did you just not mention it because it shows how corrupt the EU system is? Because you're clearly interested in the EU debate.

The EU being corrupt is a lot bigger than people on Farcebook talking about an election. Because Juncker and Selmayr made sure there wasn't a vote so someone could get a position that he shouldn't have got. And they made sure that those who should have been in the running never got a chance.

I suppose you would have been happy if there was no Brexit vote because it was sorted out that we were leaving without one as those in charge of the UK had a plan on how to get what they wanted bypassing the vote.

How are targeted Facebook Ads simply people talking about an election on Facebook?!! It seems you don't understand what they are and how powerful they can be.

As the UK is supposed to be leaving the EU, wouldn't you say that breaking electoral rules at home is by far a bigger long-term concern for the UK now?

 

[Astute]

Missing the point entirely there.

What point are you trying to make?

So preparations are being made in case of the worse scenario. The EU refuses to make any kind of deal. And don't blame the UK because we are trying to make a deal but those at the top of the EU don't seem to want to make one. So then we refuse to pay the 40 billion or whatever it is. And they have no legal right to it. So then they refuse to let any country in the EU sell us anything.

So what would happen then is there would be a delay in bringing in whatever we need from the rest of the world. It wouldn't last long though.

Would you be proud of those running the EU if they took it that far?

We could survive easily not dealing with the EU after a transition period. But what effect would that have on the EU in the long run? Millions depend on us.

And you thought it was bad a few days ago that we are stockpiling what would be needed if it happens. So the odds are we would have enough to see us through.

That is forward planning. Something that should be done now we know what those running the EU are like.

 

[Sick Boy]

What point are you trying to make?

So preparations are being made in case of the worse scenario. The EU refuses to make any kind of deal. And don't blame the UK because we are trying to make a deal but those at the top of the EU don't seem to want to make one. So then we refuse to pay the 40 billion or whatever it is. And they have no legal right to it. So then they refuse to let any country in the EU sell us anything.

So what would happen then is there would be a delay in bringing in whatever we need from the rest of the world. It wouldn't last long though.

Would you be proud of those running the EU if they took it that far?

We could survive easily not dealing with the EU after a transition period. But what effect would that have on the EU in the long run? Millions depend on us.

And you thought it was bad a few days ago that we are stockpiling what would be needed if it happens. So the odds are we would have enough to see us through.

That is forward planning. Something that should be done now we know what those running the EU are like.

Hahaha...it's all the EU's fault, priceless.

The UK is the one leaving, the EU is not forcing it out and the EU is going to try and get the best deal it can do. The UK set out red flags and it's the EU's right to protect itself.

Ministers claimed these would be the easiest negotiations in history and that the EU would bend over as they needed us more than we needed them.

A no deal scenario would be bad for the EU but far worse for the UK. All this about millions in the EU depending on the UK is utter nonsense.

Talk of this sort of thing was labelled as project fear.

Do you ever take responsibility in your own life, or do you always look to place the blame at others?

 

[Astute]

How are targeted Facebook Ads simply people talking about an election on Facebook?!! It seems you don't understand what they are and how powerful they can be.

As the UK is supposed to be leaving the EU, wouldn't you say that breaking electoral rules at home is by far a bigger long-term concern for the UK now?

No I don't. Like I said I don't do Farcebook and never will.

And no I don't see that targeted Farcebook ads are a bigger long term concern.

The EU is corrupt. You are underplaying the importance of it. Or maybe you don't understand the consequences of what has happened. Selmayr has engineered a job for life in the EU. Nobody can remove him even though they know he shouldn't have got the position. It was him that got Juncker his position. He can put in place in any position whoever he wants. He is proud of the names he gets called. Names like monster? Mart wanted us to be terrified by what he was being called until he found out that Selmayr was proud of it all.

I suppose you want everyone to believe that we know about all the corruption in the EU. I would guess that it is just the tip of the iceberg. They were so brazen this time. They knew it would all come out in the open. And they knew that although it was totally against EU rules and laws there was still nothing that anybody could do.

I don't know how this can sit well with anyone.

I have been called all sorts of names for saying that the EU is for the benefit of Germany. Is this one more step for it being out in the open? They have spoken about an EU army. Who is there to stop it if they want to go forward with the plan? They have said that they want to get rid of the veto. Most countries that are in the EU now rely on it. They have been put in the position where they rely on the billions given out to them each year.

OMG I could continue on the subject.

How could Farcebook ads be more worrying than what could well be happening in the EU?

 

[Astute]

Hahaha...it's all the EU's fault, priceless.

The UK is the one leaving, the EU is not forcing it out and the EU is going to try and get the best deal it can do. The UK set out red flags and it's the EU's right to protect itself.

Ministers claimed these would be the easiest negotiations in history and that the EU would bend over as they needed us more than we needed them.

A no deal scenario would be bad for the EU but far worse for the UK. All this about millions in the EU depending on the UK is utter nonsense.

Talk of this sort of thing was labelled as project fear.

Do you ever take responsibility in your own life, or do you always look to place the blame at others?

So it is the fault of the UK that the EU are refusing every type of deal put forward so far and won't say what they would be happy with other than they don't want us to leave and will do anything they can to make us stay?

And how about the reality and not just words on how much people of the EU depend on us?

https://www.forbes.com/sites/johnmauldin/2016/07/10/heres-how-much-europe-depends-on-the-uk/

We have a massive trade deficit with the EU but trade surplus with the rest of the world

Why the UK trade deficit with the EU is woeful and widening | Larry Elliott

So no jobs in the EU depend on the UK? Not true is it. Even thousands of car workers in Germany depend on us. And Germany is the richest country in the EU by far. Do we count money spent with holidays? Or do we only count what you want us to count?

 

[martcov]

No I don't. Like I said I don't do Farcebook and never will.

And no I don't see that targeted Farcebook ads are a bigger long term concern.

The EU is corrupt. You are underplaying the importance of it. Or maybe you don't understand the consequences of what has happened. Selmayr has engineered a job for life in the EU. Nobody can remove him even though they know he shouldn't have got the position. It was him that got Juncker his position. He can put in place in any position whoever he wants. He is proud of the names he gets called. Names like monster? Mart wanted us to be terrified by what he was being called until he found out that Selmayr was proud of it all.

I suppose you want everyone to believe that we know about all the corruption in the EU. I would guess that it is just the tip of the iceberg. They were so brazen this time. They knew it would all come out in the open. And they knew that although it was totally against EU rules and laws there was still nothing that anybody could do.

I don't know how this can sit well with anyone.

I have been called all sorts of names for saying that the EU is for the benefit of Germany. Is this one more step for it being out in the open? They have spoken about an EU army. Who is there to stop it if they want to go forward with the plan? They have said that they want to get rid of the veto. Most countries that are in the EU now rely on it. They have been put in the position where they rely on the billions given out to them each year.

OMG I could continue on the subject.

How could Farcebook ads be more worrying than what could well be happening in the EU?

By claiming that Juncker helped his protege get a position, the whole EU is corrupt, you justify is leaving the EU. It has mentioned enough times that the EU itself is in uproar. There was an inquiry which upheld the appointment, albeit with heavy criticism and a note that it would not be allowed again as it was legal ( not corrupt technically), but not in the spirit of the law. You’re overplaying the appointment whilst ignoring what is happening in the UK. A handy distraction.

You guess it is the tip of the iceberg. Nuff said on that.

You now say „they“ are brazen. Before, you claimed it was just a Juncker trick which he secretly got through. Either it is „they“ or it is Juncker. Which is it?

It has been proposed to get rid of the veto on certain things. Not everything. Trump has said that NATO is virtually the same as the EU because they are all in it. A European defence Force is a good thing, and an army may be needed if the USA follows the trend of America First.

Facebook ads are powerful. I use them myself. I wouldn’t if I didn’t get a response. You seem keen to whitewash the disinformation campaign from leave. Doesn’t alter the fact that the right are putting money and resources into such things having had good experience with them.

 

[martcov]

So it is the fault of the UK that the EU are refusing every type of deal put forward so far and won't say what they would be happy with other than they don't want us to leave and will do anything they can to make us stay?

And how about the reality and not just words on how much people of the EU depend on us?

https://www.forbes.com/sites/johnmauldin/2016/07/10/heres-how-much-europe-depends-on-the-uk/

We have a massive trade deficit with the EU but trade surplus with the rest of the world

Why the UK trade deficit with the EU is woeful and widening | Larry Elliott

So no jobs in the EU depend on the UK? Not true is it. Even thousands of car workers in Germany depend on us. And Germany is the richest country in the EU by far. Do we count money spent with holidays? Or do we only count what you want us to count?

It is true that Europe will take a hit. Schadenfreude, another benefit from Brexit. Enjoy.

It is also true that Brexit is a British idea and all problems arising from it are the UKs fault.

We’re leaving. We’re in control and we have taken back control. Say the leavers. Great. Now tell the WTO we’re in control. Any one of 164 countries can bring an objection to a part of a new UK trade arrangement which is now necessary as we are no longer covered by our favourable deal as part of the EU.

The EU also has control and a rule book. ( cue Juncker Story ). The EU belongs to 27 countries who are asked to abide by a set of rules. The UK has to make an offer conforming to the rules of the 27. it is quite simple. If they cannot do that their offers will be rejected.

The Brexit that was promised based on the „they need us more than we need them“ argument, is not deliverable.

Which is why the army maybe required in a no deal situation.

 

[Astute]

By claiming that Juncker helped his protege get a position, the whole EU is corrupt, you justify is leaving the EU. It has mentioned enough times that the EU itself is in uproar. There was an inquiry which upheld the appointment, albeit with heavy criticism and a note that it would not be allowed again as it was legal ( not corrupt technically), but not in the spirit of the law. You’re overplaying the appointment whilst ignoring what is happening in the UK. A handy distraction.

You guess it is the tip of the iceberg. Nuff said on that.

You now say „they“ are brazen. Before, you claimed it was just a Juncker trick which he secretly got through. Either it is „they“ or it is Juncker. Which is it?

It has been proposed to get rid of the veto on certain things. Not everything. Trump has said that NATO is virtually the same as the EU because they are all in it. A European defence Force is a good thing, and an army may be needed if the USA follows the trend of America First.

Facebook ads are powerful. I use them myself. I wouldn’t if I didn’t get a response. You seem keen to whitewash the disinformation campaign from leave. Doesn’t alter the fact that the right are putting money and resources into such things having had good experience with them.

It would be good if you could comprehend and not make up your own stories all the time.

It was only yesterday that I said yet again that I think we would be better off staying in the EU although it is corrupt. And yes it is corrupt. The vast majority of people in the EU are very unhappy with the way it has happened. But there is nothing they can do. I suppose they can take their complaint to Juncker that the rules have been broken from start to finish. But Juncker was the one who helped him get the position. So where else can they go......

Overplaying his appointment? Don't be daft. You admit that there has been a massive uproar in the EU over the matter. You admit that it shouldn't have happened. But there again you can't deny the fact otherwise you would have done.

So you are satisfied that they say it will never happen again? He has the job for life. It doesn't have to happen again.

So you say that I give it as a reason that we should leave? How about pointing out where I have said that? How about pointing out where I have said that any single point is a reason that we should leave. This is just something that you constantly make up.

Yes I do see benefits in us leaving. And there are benefits of us leaving. The big question is do the benefits outweigh everything that could go wrong?

I do not have the answer to that. And neither do you. The difference between us is that I try to look at both ways. You ignore and deny the benefits of leaving and only concentrate on what could go wrong. And you try to deny most what is wrong with the EU. And underplay what is undeniable.

 

[Astute]

It is true that Europe will take a hit. Schadenfreude, another benefit from Brexit. Enjoy.

It is also true that Brexit is a British idea and all problems arising from it are the UKs fault.

We’re leaving. We’re in control and we have taken back control. Say the leavers. Great. Now tell the WTO we’re in control. Any one of 164 countries can bring an objection to a part of a new UK trade arrangement which is now necessary as we are no longer covered by our favourable deal as part of the EU.

The EU also has control and a rule book. ( cue Juncker Story ). The EU belongs to 27 countries who are asked to abide by a set of rules. The UK has to make an offer conforming to the rules of the 27. it is quite simple. If they cannot do that their offers will be rejected.

The Brexit that was promised based on the „they need us more than we need them“ argument, is not deliverable.

Which is why the army maybe required in a no deal situation.

Brexit is a British idea?

What do you mean by this?

Is the UK the only country with residents that are unhappy with the way the EU is run?

Or do you mean the term that is used?

 

[martcov]

Brexit is a British idea?

What do you mean by this?

Is the UK the only country with residents that are unhappy with the way the EU is run?

Or do you mean the term that is used?

I mean that the UK is the only country to have a „Brexit“ vote. No other of the remaining 27 wants that. And no one else would come to the „cake and eat it“ idea. Which is borne out of „they need us more than we need them“ idea. That is a peculiarly British stand point.

 

[martcov]

It would be good if you could comprehend and not make up your own stories all the time.

It was only yesterday that I said yet again that I think we would be better off staying in the EU although it is corrupt. And yes it is corrupt. The vast majority of people in the EU are very unhappy with the way it has happened. But there is nothing they can do. I suppose they can take their complaint to Juncker that the rules have been broken from start to finish. But Juncker was the one who helped him get the position. So where else can they go......

Overplaying his appointment? Don't be daft. You admit that there has been a massive uproar in the EU over the matter. You admit that it shouldn't have happened. But there again you can't deny the fact otherwise you would have done.

So you are satisfied that they say it will never happen again? He has the job for life. It doesn't have to happen again.

So you say that I give it as a reason that we should leave? How about pointing out where I have said that? How about pointing out where I have said that any single point is a reason that we should leave. This is just something that you constantly make up.

Yes I do see benefits in us leaving. And there are benefits of us leaving. The big question is do the benefits outweigh everything that could go wrong?

I do not have the answer to that. And neither do you. The difference between us is that I try to look at both ways. You ignore and deny the benefits of leaving and only concentrate on what could go wrong. And you try to deny most what is wrong with the EU. And underplay what is undeniable.

The question is whether the appointment of Selmayr is on a comparison with 65 million people leaving the largest trading bloc in the world probably with no deal.

You prefer to keep on about Juncker and Selmayr.

I prefer to point out that, at least in the short to medium term the UK and EU will take a hit. That is no longer conjecture, but a fact as can be seen by a slow down, in relation to others, a drop in investment, companies making contingency plans, the government making emergency plans, EU migration falling and staff recruiting becoming a big problem in some areas.

You keep on about the EU being corrupt, based primarily on Juncker ( who is retiring in 2021 ), and now you are claiming that weren’t saying that as an argument for leaving. Ok.

Why do you keep on about Juncker all the time then?

 

[Astute]

I mean that the UK is the only country to have a „Brexit“ vote. No other of the remaining 27 wants that. And no one else would come to the „cake and eat it“ idea. Which is borne out of „they need us more than we need them“ idea. That is a peculiarly British stand point.

It is your view.

So who wanted it in the UK?

When you have worked it out ask if the same is wanted by residents of other countries in the EU.

Of course it is.

The problem you constantly go on about was caused by Cameron. The Tories were desperate for votes to make sure they won the election. So the referendum was offered if they stayed in power. Like yourself they knew nobody would want to leave the EU.......

 

[martcov]

It is your view.

So who wanted it in the UK?

When you have worked it out ask if the same is wanted by residents of other countries in the EU.

Of course it is.

The problem you constantly go on about was caused by Cameron. The Tories were desperate for votes to make sure they won the election. So the referendum was offered if they stayed in power. Like yourself they knew nobody would want to leave the EU.......

Yes, a peculiarity British thing. Call a referendum on the most important and devisive subject, to quell an internal debate in one party. Whilst at the same time being badgered by a populist movement led by an Arthur Daly type spiv, backed by dodgy businessmen.

Then not to recognise the effect of disinformation in social media.

Yes very very British.

 

[Astute]

The question is whether the appointment of Selmayr is on a comparison with 65 million people leaving the largest trading bloc in the world probably with no deal.

You prefer to keep on about Juncker and Selmayr.

I prefer to point out that, at least in the short to medium term the UK and EU will take a hit. That is no longer conjecture, but a fact as can be seen by a slow down, in relation to others, a drop in investment, companies making contingency plans, the government making emergency plans, EU migration falling and staff recruiting becoming a big problem in some areas.

You keep on about the EU being corrupt, based primarily on Juncker ( who is retiring in 2021 ), and now you are claiming that weren’t saying that as an argument for leaving. Ok.

Why do you keep on about Juncker all the time then?

Why do you constantly go on about Farage? He has hardly any say yet those you want to know why I mention are at the top of the EU.

And here you are downplaying what has happened again. Many voted to leave the EU because they don't trust the way it is run or the direction it is going in. They will feel vindicated now.

You say 65 million leaving with probably no deal. So what do you know?

Why should we even bother negotiating if you know we are wasting our time.

Or is it because you know what Selmayr stands for and why they risked so much to get him into his position?

 

[martcov]

Why do you constantly go on about Farage? He has hardly any say yet those you want to know why I mention are at the top of the EU.

And here you are downplaying what has happened again. Many voted to leave the EU because they don't trust the way it is run or the direction it is going in. They will feel vindicated now.

You say 65 million leaving with probably no deal. So what do you know?

Why should we even bother negotiating if you know we are wasting our time.

Or is it because you know what Selmayr stands for and why they risked so much to get him into his position?

I don’t know if it will be no deal. I said probably based on where we are today. It could change, but we will still be worse off than we were. That is a fact for the short term.

You go on about Juncker and Selmayr, but ignore the fact that leave has admitted that they led the voters up the garden path. Their words.

Leavers were led up the garden path.

Wigmore is a trade representative of Belize. Banks has had several meetings and received money from Moscow allegedly for diamond mines in SA. Not all the money reached the diamond mines. Most didn’t. What was that used for? Farage and Banks and Wigmore were in NY at Trump’s and have been communicating with Bannon since 2014. Lord Tax Dodger Ashcroft is based in..... Belize and recommends Malta as an EU tax haven. Farage was flitting between the USA and Asssange as go between. Or as he says as a journalist.

And you are more concerned with Selmayr? I am more interested in the fifth columnists with connections to tax dodging against the UK and foreign powers, including the USA which is acting purely on an America First policy.

But, let’s go back to Juncker shall we.......

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

So it is the fault of the UK that the EU are refusing every type of deal put forward so far and won't say what they would be happy with other than they don't want us to leave and will do anything they can to make us stay?

And how about the reality and not just words on how much people of the EU depend on us?

https://www.forbes.com/sites/johnmauldin/2016/07/10/heres-how-much-europe-depends-on-the-uk/

We have a massive trade deficit with the EU but trade surplus with the rest of the world

Why the UK trade deficit with the EU is woeful and widening | Larry Elliott

So no jobs in the EU depend on the UK? Not true is it. Even thousands of car workers in Germany depend on us. And Germany is the richest country in the EU by far. Do we count money spent with holidays? Or do we only count what you want us to count?

Are you arguing with yourself??

If it were that simple and the Eu needs as much as you and others state can you comment on why no brexiteers want to lead the discussions?

Also surely as they need us so badly they’ll be desperate to help us. That’s the lie for me

 

[Astute]

Yes, a peculiarity British thing. Call a referendum on the most important and devisive subject, to quell an internal debate in one party. Whilst at the same time being badgered by a populist movement led by an Arthur Daly type spiv, backed by dodgy businessmen.

Then not to recognise the effect of disinformation in social media.

Yes very very British.

Incorrect.

The Tories were after votes. It wasn't anything to do internally with the Tories. It was to gain votes back they were losing to UKIP. Corbyn wanted out of the EU. UKIP wanted out of the EU.

Maybe the Tories would have been better off saying that they were the party that would keep us in the EU.

A British thing?

Maybe we are just ahead of everyone else. That is the reason the EU doesn't want us to do well after leaving. You can't deny that anti EU feeling is growing throughout the EU. It is even growing in Germany. And they do best of all out of the EU.

 

[SkyblueBazza]

Army on standby for no-deal Brexit emergency

More good news.

Personally I would like to think that our army is always on standby! Sensationalism? Fake news?

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[Grendel]

Personally I would like to think that our army is always on standby! Sensationalism? Fake news?

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Correct

Ironic isn’t it?

 

[Astute]

And you are more concerned with Selmayr? I am more interested in the fifth columnists with connections to tax dodging against the UK and foreign powers, including the USA which is acting purely on an America First policy.

But, let’s go back to Juncker shall we.......

A strange comment.

Tax evasion.......Juncker.........

Even you know that they go together. The tax evasion that Juncker sorted out has made Luxembourg the richest country per population in the whole of the EU.

Yet you always want to look elsewhere for tax evasion and not someone with a top position in the EU.

 

[SkyblueBazza]

No I don't. Like I said I don't do Farcebook and never will.

And no I don't see that targeted Farcebook ads are a bigger long term concern.

The EU is corrupt. You are underplaying the importance of it. Or maybe you don't understand the consequences of what has happened. Selmayr has engineered a job for life in the EU. Nobody can remove him even though they know he shouldn't have got the position. It was him that got Juncker his position. He can put in place in any position whoever he wants. He is proud of the names he gets called. Names like monster? Mart wanted us to be terrified by what he was being called until he found out that Selmayr was proud of it all.

I suppose you want everyone to believe that we know about all the corruption in the EU. I would guess that it is just the tip of the iceberg. They were so brazen this time. They knew it would all come out in the open. And they knew that although it was totally against EU rules and laws there was still nothing that anybody could do.

I don't know how this can sit well with anyone.

I have been called all sorts of names for saying that the EU is for the benefit of Germany. Is this one more step for it being out in the open? They have spoken about an EU army. Who is there to stop it if they want to go forward with the plan? They have said that they want to get rid of the veto. Most countries that are in the EU now rely on it. They have been put in the position where they rely on the billions given out to them each year.

OMG I could continue on the subject.

How could Farcebook ads be more worrying than what could well be happening in the EU?

Who is to say the EU doesn't or hasn't or will use FB for their own gain?

My suspiscion is that all politically motivated organisations use such means to a greater or lesser extent according to what they are trying to achieve.

As we have said before...sometimes the devil is in the detail. The more detail the harder the devil is to find!

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[SkyblueBazza]

By claiming that Juncker helped his protege get a position, the whole EU is corrupt, you justify is leaving the EU. It has mentioned enough times that the EU itself is in uproar. There was an inquiry which upheld the appointment, albeit with heavy criticism and a note that it would not be allowed again as it was legal ( not corrupt technically), but not in the spirit of the law. You’re overplaying the appointment whilst ignoring what is happening in the UK. A handy distraction.

You guess it is the tip of the iceberg. Nuff said on that.

You now say „they“ are brazen. Before, you claimed it was just a Juncker trick which he secretly got through. Either it is „they“ or it is Juncker. Which is it?

It has been proposed to get rid of the veto on certain things. Not everything. Trump has said that NATO is virtually the same as the EU because they are all in it. A European defence Force is a good thing, and an army may be needed if the USA follows the trend of America First.

Facebook ads are powerful. I use them myself. I wouldn’t if I didn’t get a response. You seem keen to whitewash the disinformation campaign from leave. Doesn’t alter the fact that the right are putting money and resources into such things having had good experience with them.

The culture of (in this case) corruption starts right at the top. Especially if the man at the top bends the rules to suit himself. The rest will follow

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[Astute]

Are you arguing with yourself??

If it were that simple and the Eu needs as much as you and others state can you comment on why no brexiteers want to lead the discussions?

Also surely as they need us so badly they’ll be desperate to help us. That’s the lie for me

So what is the lie?

Are you saying that no jobs in the EU depend on trade with us?

The EU is a power trip for many. It is more important to look after the future of the EU than look after the residents of the EU. If we make a success of leaving the EU what will stop other countries in the EU from following us?

Brexiteers don't want to lead discussions? Have you not read the news? Out means out to those who want out. The plans of May have been steered to half in and half out. They don't see it as out.

May doesn't want out. The EU won't allow us to leave if they can help it. And nobody can deny that they are trying their best to make us stay.

 

[Astute]

The culture of (in this case) corruption starts right at the top. Especially if the man at the top bends the rules to suit himself. The rest will follow

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Break the rules or do as you are told = get a top position in the EU.

Play by the rules or not do as you are told = Not having a chance of getting a top position in the EU.

 

[skyblueinBaku]

And nobody can deny that they are trying their best to make us stay.

It sometimes seems to me that Mr Barnier's constant objections to any proposal put forward by UK is an attempt to force us out with no deal, rather than an attempt to make us stay.

 

[shmmeee]

No I don't. Like I said I don't do Farcebook and never will.

And no I don't see that targeted Farcebook ads are a bigger long term concern.

The EU is corrupt. You are underplaying the importance of it. Or maybe you don't understand the consequences of what has happened. Selmayr has engineered a job for life in the EU. Nobody can remove him even though they know he shouldn't have got the position. It was him that got Juncker his position. He can put in place in any position whoever he wants. He is proud of the names he gets called. Names like monster? Mart wanted us to be terrified by what he was being called until he found out that Selmayr was proud of it all.

I suppose you want everyone to believe that we know about all the corruption in the EU. I would guess that it is just the tip of the iceberg. They were so brazen this time. They knew it would all come out in the open. And they knew that although it was totally against EU rules and laws there was still nothing that anybody could do.

I don't know how this can sit well with anyone.

I have been called all sorts of names for saying that the EU is for the benefit of Germany. Is this one more step for it being out in the open? They have spoken about an EU army. Who is there to stop it if they want to go forward with the plan? They have said that they want to get rid of the veto. Most countries that are in the EU now rely on it. They have been put in the position where they rely on the billions given out to them each year.

OMG I could continue on the subject.

How could Farcebook ads be more worrying than what could well be happening in the EU?

I suggest you look into big data and use of advertising. This is close to my field and you're being very very naive to be so blasé about targeted advertising. It works spectacularly well.

All modern advertising and marketing is about optimising message for individuals, A/B testing the crap out of everything until you get the result you want down to the exact words used. You'd be amazed how easy it is to hack human preference.

Facebook in particular is effective because it comes with ready made social proof, "ads" are inserted into your feed next to your best mate or family members opinion. It's been shown time and time again how effective they can be.

Or do you think the Brexit team were so fucking useless they wasted huge amounts of time and money on something that doesn't work?

They had first mover advantage here. Next election everyone will be at it.