The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (55 Viewers)

[Astute]

Why would I love it? It's going to be detrimental to the UK's long-term futute; I'd rather be wrong and the country be successful.

The EU isn't taking the piss, it's just getting the best deal for itself. You seem so brainwashed by the Tories and even started quoting May the other day with her "magic money tree" nonsense.

Which you know is bullshit.

So May was the first ever person to use the term magic money tree?

So you think it is OK for them to get the best deal which is not getting a deal?

 

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[Astute]

Can you show what the EU has gone back on?

So what part of making a deal have they taken part in?

 

[Sick Boy]

Which you know is bullshit.

So May was the first ever person to use the term magic money tree?

So you think it is OK for them to get the best deal which is not getting a deal?

What do I know is bullshit?

Why should it let the UK cherry pick whatever it wants? It's not going to give the UK a deal at any cost.

 

[Sick Boy]

So what part of making a deal have they taken part in?

Christ.

 

[Astute]

Christ.

The EU "divorce bill"

If a deal isn't made a payment isn't due.

 

[Astute]

What do I know is bullshit?

Why should it let the UK cherry pick whatever it wants? It's not going to give the UK a deal at any cost.

So who has said we want only what is best?

Other than remainers and the EU that is.

A deal should be to the benefit of both sides and not just to the benefit of the EU. They should not be able to cherry pick either.

 

[Sick Boy]

So who has said we want only what is best?

Other than remainers and the EU that is.

A deal should be to the benefit of both sides and not just to the benefit of the EU. They should not be able to cherry pick either.

What is the EU cherry picking?

 

[Sick Boy]

The EU "divorce bill"

If a deal isn't made a payment isn't due.

So the UK is the one going back on what was previously agreed?

The UK keeps going on about wants to take back control of its money, law, and borders.

Why is it so wrong of the EU to defend its money, law and borders?

Sounds like double-standards to me

 

[SkyblueBazza]

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Answer the question.
For the record...yes

And do you understand what is meant by...fuck-off?

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Yes. I suppose he did articulate it perfectly by your standards.

You got both the straight answer you asked for - & the contempt you deserve.



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[SkyblueBazza]

The EU has asked us to put forward a workable proposal. We cannot. That’s it.

Now it’s their fault for that, and by asking us for a workable proposal they are taking the piss?

Or is the EU's idea of a workable proposal a 'take it or leave it' one. As in offer us close to the maximum we want or there is no deal?

Once again you seem very blinkered & biased toward one side in this equation

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[Astute]

So the UK is the one going back on what was previously agreed?

The UK keeps going on about wants to take back control of its money, law, and borders.

Why is it so wrong of the EU to defend its money, law and borders?

Sounds like double-standards to me

Ok.

So what has the UK gone back on?

So what is wrong of us getting back co trol of our borders, money and laws once we have left? Why should the EU continue to control them once we have left?

And finally in what way are we trying to control borders, money and laws of the EU?

Of course we are not.

 

[SkyblueBazza]

What complies with the rules, moron. If we don’t do that we can leave without a deal. It’s up to us.

There seems a number of member-states that don't like the idea of a non-deal. I will be surprised if there are any that don't, & amazed if one isn't reached

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[Astute]

What is the EU cherry picking?

What is the UK cherry picking?

Is wanting a deal that benefits all cherry picking?

Oh yes the term used by the EU :woot:

 

[Astute]

There seems a number of member-states that don't like the idea of a non-deal. I will be surprised if there are any that don't, & amazed if one isn't reached

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It is all posturing to see what they can get out of is and to see if they can make us stay in. Many are taking advantage of it and making out it is certain to happen.

 

[SkyblueBazza]

Well I agree that hard Brexit may already be priced in. I doubt whether people in the EU are not following what is going on. It will be priced in here as well.

I am not being cocky. I won’t be celebrating because millions of people suffer more in one place than another. The whole thing is a huge distraction from living our lives in peace and prosperity, which we should all be doing.

You certainly seem distracted to the point of delerium by it. I suspect you are pretty much alone in that though

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[Sick Boy]

Ok.

So what has the UK gone back on?

So what is wrong of us getting back co trol of our borders, money and laws once we have left? Why should the EU continue to control them once we have left?

And finally in what way are we trying to control borders, money and laws of the EU?

Of course we are not.

Have you read why the custom's plans were rejected?

Direct quote from MB:

Maintaining control of our money, law, and borders also applies to the EU’s customs policy.

The EU cannot - and the EU will not - delegate the application of its customs policy and rules, VAT and excise duty collections to a non-member who would not be subject to the EU’s governance structures

 

[martcov]

You are right. We can't. Because whatever we put forward they will say it isn't good enough.

And it seems to delight you.

You know that do you? I thought they needed us more than we need them? Have you changed your mind on that?

 

[Grendel]

You know that do you? I thought they needed us more than we need them? Have you changed your mind on that?

Time will tell

 

[martcov]

You certainly seem distracted to the point of delerium by it. I suspect you are pretty much alone in that though

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Apparently not.

 

[martcov]

Time will tell

Exactly. That is a realistic comment. For a change.

 

[Grendel]

Apparently not.

No sick boy is with you

 

[martcov]

So why do we have to pay? There is nothing written in law that says we have to pay. And we would be out of the EU jurisdiction so they couldn't force us to pay.

We agreed to pay money. They agreed to come to an agreement with us. But they have gone back on it so far.

And if it is good enough for the EU to bend rules why is it not OK for us to?

We are not out of international jurisdiction. What rules are they bending unilaterally?

 

[martcov]

No sick boy is with you

Instant comment from my biggest stalker. So Sick Boy and I are not alone by far.

 

[martcov]

It's not only up to us, Mart. The EU seems to be intent on driving us towards a no deal exit.

IDS says it will be no problem for us. So where’s the problem? WTO it is then. The EU is intent on us complying as much as possible to EU rules. Makes life easier for all concerned. It has said that there can be alternatives, but they won’t be as good as what we have now.

 

[martcov]

You got both the straight answer you asked for - & the contempt you deserve.



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In other words you couldn’t answer the question and explain the difference and decided to insult me. Even got a like from your mentor.

 

[fernandopartridge]

I'm shitting myself, Is this the end of the World? It must be because I could never imagine a scenario where the armed forces would be used as a contingency plan in a worst case scenario situation, like a strike by ambulance staff and firefighters, flood relief etc...etc. Wouldn't it be stupid for the British armed forces to stand up for the rights of the British people after they voted in a majority for change, offered to them by a democratically elected government, I can't think of a more important role for a countries armed forces to do than protect and support the people of it's country, can you? Isn't that the job?

Oh come off it. The government are worried about serious civil unrest. It's not because a public service is on strike. I voted leave but the way scumbags in this government have hijacked the vote makes me wish I hadn't. That's even despite the fact that I still believe in the principle of leaving the EU.

 

[martcov]

The EU "divorce bill"

If a deal isn't made a payment isn't due.

Really? Subscribe to read | Financial Times

We signed up to liabilities and membership payments to 2020 which we cannot get out of under international law.

 

[Sick Boy]

No sick boy is with you

I will remain am EU citizen whatever, I'm not the one losing my rights.

 

[fernandopartridge]

The EU is not forcing the UK into a no deal position. It made clear its position a long time ago. The disaster capitalists of this world like that horrible c**t Rees Mogg are pushing this, they'll clean up from short selling shares and currency.

 

[skybluetony176]

So what is wrong of us getting back co trol of our borders, money and laws once we have left?

Nothing, as long as you don’t mind setting fire to the GF peace agreement. Nothing, as long as you accept an end to free trade with the EU. Nothing, as long as you don’t mind the financial district of London loosing it’s passporting rights. Nothing, as long as you don’t mind British ex pats who’ve retired/settled in the EU loosing their rights to healthcare. Nothing, so long as you don’t mind those same people losing their rights to retire/settle in the EU in the first place. Shall I go on.

 

[Grendel]

I will remain am EU citizen whatever, I'm not the one losing my rights.

How exciting for you

 

[Grendel]

Really? Subscribe to read | Financial Times

We signed up to liabilities and membership payments to 2020 which we cannot get out of under international law.

You love forcing people to answer questions so answer this please. How long will these payments be due, what is the net payment and will it be more or less than the contribution we pay in an average year.

 

[Sick Boy]

How exciting for you

Thanks, I'm glad that any children lumbered with me still be able to do the same and their children etc.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

So who has said we want only what is best?

Other than remainers and the EU that is.

A deal should be to the benefit of both sides and not just to the benefit of the EU. They should not be able to cherry pick either.

We're the ones who chose to raise a middle finger to the continent, so the burden is on us to extract a good settlement.

 

[SIR ERNIE]

I will remain am EU citizen whatever, I'm not the one losing my rights.

Which rights are those?