There are various calculations. The last I saw was 39 bn. But some things are liabilities on guarantees on loans which may be called on in future years. We pay our contribution to the EU budget until the end of the 7 year period in 2020. 39bn is a net payment assuming we get so much back for our share of EU property. Some say we will paying something for 50 years. But, I doubt that as there will be some final deal at the end of current negotiations, but, I only know as much as anyone else.
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There are various calculations. The last I saw was 39 bn. But some things are liabilities on guarantees on loans which may be called on in future years. We pay our contribution to the EU budget until the end of the 7 year period in 2020. 39bn is a net payment assuming we get so much back for our share of EU property. Some say we will paying something for 50 years. But, I doubt that as there will be some final deal at the end of current negotiations, but, I only know as much as anyone else.
As Farage‘s mates did when he said that leave had lost on the evening of the referendum, although he knew from private polling commissioned by those mates that leave had won. They made quick forward transactions whilst the rest of the world thought remain had won. Cashed in millions when the pound fell.
torchomatic
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Time will tell? But I thought it was all going to be a brilliant new era full of prosperity for the NHS and the rest of us. I expect the sun to be shining and eveything perfect on the 30th March 2019.
Grendel
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So do I
torchomatic
Well-Known Member
All we need now is a law to be passed so the divorce bill is paid by everyone who voted for Brexit. Don't see why I should pay for your madness.
Grendel
Well-Known Member
Er you do realise we will be paying less every year we leave and that the bill saves us billions a year?
Astute
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But are due to leave in 2019.
You don't seem to know a lot on the subject.
They refused to even consider letting us have any money back from the money we put into the buildings of the EU. They said they don't belong to us.
The money we will get back is the money we have provided for loans. This is only if the money is repaid though.
We only have to pay the 39b if there is a deal. This includes an agreement in Ireland. And no there is nothing to make us pay if there is no deal.
If you think there is how about showing evidence for once.
Astute
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The EU is not forcing us into a no deal situation as long as we don't pull out fully from the EU.
So in other words we would be half in half out and still have to pay billions in each year. They still want open borders which in their words is freedom of movement.
So in other words just like it is now but we would lose the small say that we have presently.
So in other words if we are to leave the EU like was voted for we are being pushed towards a no deal.
Sick Boy
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How does an open border involve showing a passport to enter the country?
How is Britain's say any smaller than the other countries?
Your post shows the madness of trying to claim you are anything but for Leaving. No doubt if it's shown to have been a majorly bad decision in the long term you'll be back on here going on about how you were all for remain.
It's up to the UK to come with a workable solution, which it's failed to do so far due to incompetence.
The budget goes to 2020. whether we leave or not.
We are liable under international law for the things we signed up for. I posted a link from the FT explaining that. E.g. when we signed guarantees, there was no get out clause as no one knew we were leaving.
The figure is a net figure. That means it includes money we get back.
I said liabilities which may be called upon. That means if loans are not repaid which we have guaranteed.
We want the benefits of membership without paying or complying with the rules. In other words it is our aim to be half in ( benefits) and half out ( we’re not paying).
We have over 70 MEPs and have people in important positions on committees, we are members of the EU Council and the EU commission. Saying that we have little influence is a Faragism.
Open Borders is a Faragism and is not FOM of EU citizens.
fernandopartridge
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Nonsense.
skybluetony176
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Define “paying less”? You’re talking specifically about the amount of money we send to the EU aren’t you? What if it costs us in different ways? There’s more than one way that Brexit can cost us.
SkyblueBazza
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SkyblueBazza
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SkyblueBazza
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Well you expect far too much. It just shows how gullible you must be
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torchomatic
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I'm only repeating what you lot have said about Brexit.
Astute
Well-Known Member
Why is it nonsense?
They have agreed in principle that if a deal has been made in principle that although if we leave nothing will change until the end of 2020 as there will be a transitional period. All good so far.
But what has the EU said that they would be happy with so far?
Terms of Service Violation
What the EU really wants from the UK
Then you have this from the EU. Something simple like residential rights even have points added that shouldn't be there. Look at the last one. After leaving the EU if an EU resident loses their job after working in the UK for 10 years they would be entitled to our benefits wherever they live. So say someone came here at 18 and stayed until they are 28 we would have to pay benefits for the rest of their life if they don't work.
The EU's position on the rights of EU citizens in the UK after Brexit - United Kingdom - European Commission
Yes they should be able to live where they want under present rules. But even something that should be simple to sort out has points added that shouldn't be there. Poi ts that could be a deal breaker.
Then we move on to what is allowed. They will decide what happens and will happen. And they can change anything they want without warning.
Brexit: EU to have power to punish UK at will during transition
Grendel
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Don’t think I’ve ever said that
Astute
Well-Known Member
You say about cherry picking not being allowed.
But it is OK for the EU to cherry pick. Look at the fisheries policy changes. They don't want anything to change. They still want to fish in our waters and restrict what we catch. They catch the most fish in our waters. So that should stay as it is.
torchomatic
Well-Known Member
Apologies then. Must have been some other right-wing nutter.
Sick Boy
Super Moderator
Because I'm not selfish and genuinely believe that the current situation is going to lead to long-term damage to the country
Grendel
Well-Known Member
Can’t see how I’m a right wing nutter. If anything I’d say my views are more akin on the Eu to the party you voted for.
Earlsdon_Skyblue1
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Sick Boy
Super Moderator
The EU is the blame for Brexit and the subsequent incompetence of the government?
Astute
Well-Known Member
And this shows a problem that we have.
Some people say that anyone who isn't pro EU is right wing. You are not allowed an opinion.
Look at the comments that I get. I don't praise anyone. I have never said a good thing about May. But I am supposed to love what she is doing. In fact I haven't said a good thing about anyone. I think we might be better off staying in the EU. But because I don't join in with the pro EU propaganda I am seen by some as a right winger.
I am not supposed to mention the bad parts of the EU like how they put certain people in certain places. But I am supposed to have a go at anything to do with remaining. I am not supposed to have a go at Juncker for the billions of lost tax payments each year. But I am supposed to froth at the mouth at any brexiter that has dodged tax. But not mention any remainer that has dodged tax.
And then I am seen as a brexiter because I don't stick to these rules.
And Cameron gets away with everything with some people. He started it all off by offering the referendum to get a few more votes in the election.
Astute
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The EU is innocent of everything. Even how they put certain people in certain positions even if it is against their own rules. They never do anything wrong.
They don't want to cherry pick. Look at the fishing policies they have said will happen. If we don't agree there won't be a deal. But that is our fault.
No. Brexit caused this. The EU is against Brexit and the resulting chaos.
They are innocent of Brexit. Brexit was decided before Selmayr became the latest scape goat.
The EU are not leaving us, we are leaving them.
Earlsdon_Skyblue1
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Of course the EU is to blame for Brexit. 17.4 million people would not have voted for it if they were doing a good job. I find it amazing some people cannot hold them remotely accountable.
As for the government, they're useless, but to suggest we shouldn't have voted for it because they are useless is ridiculous. It fits into the notion that we cannot survive without the EU and we shouldn't be allowed to leave.
What the people voted for should be learned from, rather than blamed.
Earlsdon_Skyblue1
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No, Brexit happened because people wanted out of the EU.
Therefore the EU are not doing a good enough job. - This is the single biggest reason. Not the voters, not Farage, not Breitbart.
What is the difference between being on stand by and the „ normal „ status?
Astute
Well-Known Member
Selmayr has been the puppet master for years. There is no doubt in the fact.
How did you measure that? Is leaving the only remedy? My opinion is that immigration is the main reason and 45% of leave fb adverts were targeted at people who may have been anti immigrant. Misinformation spreads over social media.
Astute
Well-Known Member
And why is the EU against us leaving?
There wouldn't be any chaos if they all sat around a table and acted like adults. There wouldn't be any chaos if they wanted what was best for all. But they want to keep us in. They are trying to force us into a corner. They want to cherry pick. But they turn the tables and say it is us.