James Maddison sell on clause? Bid from WEST HAM (23 Viewers)

[Astute]

Find one post that said he’d struggle to make it in the championship

Again Biamou is one of the older players in the team

I don't need to search through your posts. I know what you said and many others also do. You never rated Maddison. All you ever went on about was his headband and falling over.

 

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[Grendel]

I don't need to search through your posts. I know what you said and many others also do. You never rated Maddison. All you ever went on about was his headband and falling over.

Ah you made it up fair enough.

I’m sure you always knew he’d make it in the premiership

 

[Astute]

Ah you made it up fair enough.

I’m sure you always knew he’d make it in the premiership

Strangely enough many of us thought he was good enough if he put the effort in. Just like we said the same with Wilson just before. But you are always happy to see the money coming in instead of keeping our better young players.

Bayliss is the next one I see as having what is needed to make it in the Prem. But you will be happy with a couple of million. Then when a sell on clause comes into it at a later date you will say you are right.

Then the next promising young player comes along. And so on.

 

[letsallsingtogether]

Strangely enough many of us thought he was good enough if he put the effort in. Just like we said the same with Wilson just before. But you are always happy to see the money coming in instead of keeping our better young players.

Bayliss is the next one I see as having what is needed to make it in the Prem. But you will be happy with a couple of million. Then when a sell on clause comes into it at a later date you will say you are right.

Then the next promising young player comes along. And so on.

You are wasting your time arguing with him.
What you say is true but G is on a higher plane then the rest of us so is always right.
I tend not to read his shit to be honest him and twister are of the same mould.

 

[Grendel]

You are wasting your time arguing with him.
What you say is true but G is on a higher plane then the rest of us so is always right.
I tend not to read his shit to be honest him and twister are of the same mould.

The problem is you hold the sell assets on the cheap but value assets on future events

If you sold a house and 5 years later the house had multiple extensions and a conservatory you wouldn’t have sold it cheap would you?

 

[letsallsingtogether]

The problem is you hold the sell assets on the cheap but value assets on future events

If you sold a house and 5 years later the house had multiple extensions and a conservatory you wouldn’t have sold it cheap would you?

No I would have sold it at the going rate.
In fact I'm glad you brought up that scenario.
Me an my wife are actually selling one of our houses currently. We had an offer at the asking price from a cash buyer we accepted, a week later he dropped the offer by 10,000 saying that is what the last one in that street sold for 2 years before.

Should I accept or do I hold out?

 

[Astute]

The problem is you hold the sell assets on the cheap but value assets on future events

If you sold a house and 5 years later the house had multiple extensions and a conservatory you wouldn’t have sold it cheap would you?

You was on the same wavelength as SISU. Sell as soon as a half decent offer cane in and not hold out for more. And how much went back into replacing the players?

Even SISU have seen that it is better holding on to the better players now and not selling to the first club that makes an offer on our young talent. But of course you are still right I suppose.

 

[Grendel]

You was on the same wavelength as SISU. Sell as soon as a half decent offer cane in and not hold out for more. And how much went back into replacing the players?

Even SISU have seen that it is better holding on to the better players now and not selling to the first club that makes an offer on our young talent. But of course you are still right I suppose.

His value would have not increased and Wilsons certainly would not as explained by another poster - thats the point

 

[Grendel]

No I would have sold it at the going rate.
In fact I'm glad you brought up that scenario.
Me an my wife are actually selling one of our houses currently. We had an offer at the asking price from a cash buyer we accepted, a week later he dropped the offer by 10,000 saying that is what the last one in that street sold for 2 years before.

Should I accept or do I hold out?

Depends if he is the only interested buyer in a deteriorating market

 

[steve cooper]

Depends if he is the only interested buyer in a deteriorating market

Grendel, you have had some good profile pictures in the past but this one's crap

 

[Astute]

His value would have not increased and Wilsons certainly would not as explained by another poster - thats the point

What point?

He was scoring lots of goals with us. We were in contention for promotion. We would have been at the same level as the club we sold him to. Once we sold him we ended up in a relegation battle. We certainly sold him below his true value.

The problem is you never admit when you are wrong and will come out with anything to try and prove a point.

 

[Grendel]

Grendel, you have had some good profile pictures in the past but this one's crap

Fair comment

 

[Grendel]

What point?

He was scoring lots of goals with us. We were in contention for promotion. We would have been at the same level as the club we sold him to. Once we sold him we ended up in a relegation battle. We certainly sold him below his true value.

The problem is you never admit when you are wrong and will come out with anything to try and prove a point.

Wilson?

How were we in contention for promotion? Bournmouth were a championship club

What are you talking about?

 

[steve cooper]

Fair comment

That's better, thanks for that

 

[letsallsingtogether]

Depends if he is the only interested buyer in a deteriorating market

Yes but I am not In a rush so can hold out for nearer my asking price.
There is always someone else out there who will want it.
Same with the players we sold, they were very good players you could have got more for them while using them to better your own results.

 

[Grendel]

Yes but I am not In a rush so can hold out for nearer my asking price.
There is always someone else out there who will want it.
Same with the players we sold, they were very good players you could have got more for them while using them to better your own results.

The value would have declined - most acknowledge that

 

[letsallsingtogether]

The value would have declined - most acknowledge that

Who are most?
I don't believe for a minute Callum or James Maddisons value would have declined.
That is the most stupid remark you have ever made.
So we had to sell because their price would have gone down if we had just been a little stronger.
So why don't every club sell at the earliest opportunity?
I can buy that if you are selling someone like Vincente or Obrian but not your best players.

 

[Grendel]

Who are most?
I don't believe for a minute Callum or James Maddisons value would have declined.
That is the most stupid remark you have ever made.
So we had to sell because their price would have gone down if we had just been a little stronger.
So why don't every club sell at the earliest opportunity?
I can buy that if you are selling someone like Vincente or Obrian but not your best players.

Why would values go up as a club declined in status?

 

[skybluetony176]

Why would values go up as a club declined in status?

Why would the club be in decline if it held on to its best players. We were relegated because the playing squad was in decline, this in turn put the club in decline.

 

[Grendel]

Why would the club be in decline if it held on to its best players. We were relegated because the playing squad was in decline, this in turn put the club in decline.

Wilson was in a team that declined sharply as was Maddison

 

[skybluetony176]

Wilson was in a team that declined sharply as was Maddison

The team declined when another best player was sold ie Clarke and Wilson was on a long term injury. The real decline in the squad happened in the summer when Wilson was sold and the Clarke and Wilson money couldn’t be reinvested in the squad because it had to be used to cover the self imposed losses from SISU’s disastrous decision to move us to Sixfields. To put that in the analogy of LAST selling his house it was the equivalent of him smearing his wall in excrement and not expecting a decline in value.

The squad when Maddison was here didn’t decline with the exception of Kent’s loan spell ending. It had a loss of form which actually recovered later in the season and we narrowly missed a playoff spot. The actual decline in the squad again happened in the summer when there was no evidence that the Maddison fee was used to reinvest in the team.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

The actual decline in the squad again happened in the summer when there was no evidence that the Maddison fee was used to reinvest in the team.

Even taking that at face value, that doesn't, of course, mean the fee received for Maddison was too low, too high, just right, or fish.

This thread has turned bonkers anyway, as far as I can see there's a whole bunch of people agreeing with each other, but arguing about it because they're used to arguing with each other!

 

[skybluetony176]

Even taking that at face value, that doesn't, of course, mean the fee received for Maddison was too low, too high, just right, or fish.

This thread has turned bonkers anyway, as far as I can see there's a whole bunch of people agreeing with each other, but arguing about it because they're used to arguing with each other!

Agree with your first point. Although personally I still maintain that he was sold on the cheap. Although I also acknowledge that the add on’s are softening my view.

The thing I really take exception to is the suggestion that the value of a player who is young, still developing, clearly has ability in abundance and is clearly going to get considerably better value is going to somehow drop because the team he is playing in has a drop in form. If that was true we definitely didn’t get enough for him because our form recovered for the final 8 games (IIRC) that season and we narrowly missed out on the playoffs. If his apparent value goes down due to poor team form then clearly that train of thought must mean it goes up when form improves. Which it obviously doesn’t. A player is valued on their individual ability not team form, in young players it’s also based on potential and again not team form. As pointed out the squad on both occasions didn’t deteriorate until players like Clarke, Wilson and Maddison left and weren’t replaced with players of same ability and/or potential and money received for them in general wasn’t reinvested in the squad to raise the general strength of the squad.

 

[Joy Division]

Do we know as fact that Norwich were the only interested buyer?

 

[HuckerbyDublinWhelan]

Do we know as fact that Norwich were the only interested buyer?

Didnt we turn down a Liverpool and spurs bid earlier in the day?

 

[SlowerThanPlatt]

Decent article in The Telegraph (you have to have an account with them to view it).

Southgate called him up to train with the seniors in May but he got injured in Norwich’s final game

For those who can’t view it:

James Maddison casts a glance around the photographs which adorn the media room at the King Power Stadium, and contemplates some of the figures staring down at him: Riyad Mahrez, N'Golo Kante, Danny Drinkwater, Robert Huth, Claudio Ranieri.

These are Leicester City's miracle men, many of the heroes from the Premier League title-winning campaign - all departed now, but remembered no less fondly for that. It would be an intimidating experience for most, but not Maddison. Instead, Leicester's new £25 million signing is on a mission to make some history of his own.

He has played just 63 minutes in the Premier League, making his debut at Manchester United last Friday, yet it already feels as if Leicester have found a new hero - an attacking midfielder who has piqued the interest of England manager Gareth Southgate.

“This time last year, probably nobody knew who I was apart from Coventry and Aberdeen fans,” he says, in his first big interview since the move. “But I had a great season at Norwich and coming here was the perfect next step. It’s not going to be easy, it’s the best league in the world for a reason, but I’m desperate to be a success here.

“I’m only 21 but feel like I’ve been around for ages. I’ve done the rounds but everyone has a different path. I think mine has shaped up nicely and I’m now in the Premier League which is what every young boy dreams of.”

More on Maddison’s career path later, but his emergence at Norwich last season – where he scored 15 goals and contributed eight assists – has already seen him identified as a future England star.

He made his under-21s debut last year and it can be revealed Southgate was set to invite him to train with the senior squad before the World Cup in May only for Maddison to suffer a knee injury on the final day of Norwich’s season at Sheffield Wednesday.

It seems only a matter of time, though, for a player carving out a reputation as a crafty and streetwise No 10, pulling the strings behind whoever is leading the line.

“My first aim is to become a regular at Leicester but of course the dream is to play for England in a World Cup, it’s the absolute pinnacle,” he says. “Gareth’s not afraid to throw young players in, look at the average age of the squad now. You can’t rule it out, I’ve set myself short-term targets and that would be the aim.

“I think it is a real positive that Gareth has brought the seniors and under-21s closer together. When you train at St. George’s Park, you’re in the gym and on the bikes with the first team – there’s no separation and it’s all integrated. It’s a good time to be an under-21s player.”

Maddison’s route to the Premier League has been a capricious one, so he will not feel out of place in a dressing room including the likes of Jamie Vardy, Kasper Schmeichel and Wes Morgan.

He joined Coventry’s academy at the age of seven, making his debut 10 years later in League One before his move to Norwich in February 2016. Loan spells at Coventry and Aberdeen followed, and he believes that grounding was crucial.

“It definitely toughens you up. It makes you mature from a young age, living away from home. I’ve had to make lots of sacrifices, particularly off the pitch. When you’re coming out of school, your friends want to do other things.

“It’s hard but you have to keep a steady head to make those decisions. It starts early now and if you don’t make those sacrifices, I probably wouldn’t be here today.

“There are quite a lot of young players around now with undoubted talent who get stuck in academies at big clubs. I’m not saying that’s the wrong way to do it because if you’re good enough you can break through, but there’s a lot of players here at Leicester, including myself, who have played a lot of games in the lower leagues and gained experience that way.

“People may look at my age but I’ve come a long way already and there is still a long way to go.”

The close support of his family, father Gary, mother Una and his younger brother Ben, has also been vital and they didn’t miss a Norwich game home or away last season. Gary, a graphic designer, has even set up a YouTube account with Maddison’s best moments from last season [as gazmaddy].

That campaign under Daniel Farke was remarkable for Maddison, emerging as arguably the best player in the Championship behind Wolves midfielder Ruben Neves.

A move to the Premier League was inevitable and in June Leicester paid £21m, which will rise to £25m on achievable instalments. He was the biggest signing of Leicester’s summer, yet Maddison proved in just over an hour at Old Trafford that any sceptics can forget about the price-tag.

“That’s irrelevant to me. If you think about the money aspect, you get derailed from what you should be focused on,” he says.

“It was a hard decision to leave Norwich and you have to take into account a lot of things – could I make the step up, do I want to have another season of really showing what I can do? You weigh up all those things and Leicester was the right move for me. I can tell I’m at the right place.”

Also inevitably, there will be comparisons with Mahrez, who joined Manchester City last month for a club-record £60m. Maddison waves them away.

“I’m a different player and you can’t look at it like that. I’m a No 10 and played there for the majority of last season at Norwich in a 4-2-3-1. I also played central midfield for a spell as well. I don’t think you can make comparisons [with Mahrez] and I’ve got to bring my own strengths to the team.”

‘Madders’ is already a popular figure in Leicester’s dressing room and laughs when he recalls how his new team-mates camped around the TV to watch Love Island during the pre-season training camp in France.

He is particularly close with Ben Chilwell and Demarai Gray, who also play with England’s under-21s, while being given the No 10 jersey has received the blessing of the former incumbent, long-serving midfielder Andy King.

Maddison will make his home debut against Wolves on Saturday. “I can’t wait to get started and I’ve got a great feeling about it,” he says. “We think we can have a really good season this year. Wolves will be a tough game because they ran away with it last season. We played them at Carrow Road, lost 2-0 and were chasing shadows for 90 minutes. But it’s our first home game and we’ve got to show our fans what we’re about.”

Exclusive interview: Meet James Maddison, Leicester's £25m midfielder who has already caught the eye of Gareth Southgate

 

[Joy Division]

Didnt we turn down a Liverpool and spurs bid earlier in the day?

Yeah that's what I thought. Pretty sure Norwich wouldn't have been the only club wanting to take him, he also seemed to imply he chose Norwich over some bigger clubs because of the first team football opportunity.

 

[Warwickhunt]

No I would have sold it at the going rate.
In fact I'm glad you brought up that scenario.
Me an my wife are actually selling one of our houses currently. We had an offer at the asking price from a cash buyer we accepted, a week later he dropped the offer by 10,000 saying that is what the last one in that street sold for 2 years before.

Should I accept or do I hold out?

You tell the cheeky fucker to piss off and get someone else to buy your house!

 

[Cov kid 55]

Fair comment

Is that a mucha (I’m probably showing my ignorance!)

 

[Evo1883]

Scored today , he’s the real deal .
He will without doubt be in the England squad soon enough.
He’s actually the kind of player England lack in midfield

 

[Londonccfcfan]

Pure genius lol

Lol

 

[Londonccfcfan]

Scored today , he’s the real deal .
He will without doubt be in the England squad soon enough.
He’s actually the kind of player England lack in midfield

Some of us can see potential way back and called it. Some cant see quality when it smacks them in the face.

 

[Grendel]

Lol

How cute - it’s the middle of the day and all you can think of is me

 

[robbiethemole]

Him and Wilson in the squad

 

[Skyblueweeman]

How cute - it’s the middle of the day and all you can think of is me

G, are jealous because someone 'out-spreadsheeted' you?