The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (148 Viewers)

[Sick Boy]

And it is OK because Juncker only has a few years left of his term? Not at all. The vast majority won't be happy until Selmayr has gone. But he has the job for life.

The average person on the street won't have a clue who he is. I'd wager you've only recently found out who he is as well as you've only started mentioning him relatively recently!

 

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[martcov]

The average person on the street won't have a clue who he is. I'd wager you've only recently found out who he is as well as you've only started mentioning him relatively recently!

All this happened in March. There was an enquiry in April ( if I recall correctly). The socialists say there will be a reassessment. Pesky lefties. So, it is not even over yet.

 

[SkyblueBazza]

The average person on the street won't have a clue who he is. I'd wager you've only recently found out who he is as well as you've only started mentioning him relatively recently!

Isn't that reinforcing the fact that far from being for the people of the EU...it is a working eauivalent of the 'Gentleman's Club' of old? Faceless, unknown, sometimes unelected individuals at least appearing to be making decisions with often sketchy details that get reported to the masses.
That leaves the masses feeling powerless. If they don't like something they feel they have nobody who is accountable, nobody to talk with about it beyond their own inner circle. There begins disenchantment ultimately leading to discontent...& the risk of collapse of the political structure.

The EU is only transparent it you look through the right window...one of hundreds of thousands...but you have to put your hand up to shield any reflections too. And even then the window may be somewhat dirty so ensure you have a wet sponge at hand to clean it off. It is all a lot of trouble to go to just to see what is happening. Changing what is happening you have to get a key to the outside door...& then select the correct key to open the correct door which you first need to find. Then you will be confronted with many processes & procedures to gain the change you seek.

I fancy most people will eventually simply decide to get anything done for the people...the easiest way is to break all the windows & grab the issue by the scruff of the neck until it changes.

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[Sick Boy]

Isn't that reinforcing the fact that far from being for the people of the EU...it is a working eauivalent of the 'Gentleman's Club' of old? Faceless, unknown, sometimes unelected individuals at least appearing to be making decisions with often sketchy details that get reported to the masses.
That leaves the masses feeling powerless. If they don't like something they feel they have nobody who is accountable, nobody to talk with about it beyond their own inner circle. There begins disenchantment ultimately leading to discontent...& the risk of collapse of the political structure.

The EU is only transparent it you look through the right window...one of hundreds of thousands...but you have to put your hand up to shield any reflections too. And even then the window may be somewhat dirty so ensure you have a wet sponge at hand to clean it off. It is all a lot of trouble to go to just to see what is happening. Changing what is happening you have to get a key to the outside door...& then select the correct key to open the correct door which you first need to find. Then you will be confronted with many processes & procedures to gain the change you seek.

I fancy most people will eventually simply decide to get anything done for the people...the easiest way is to break all the windows & grab the issue by the scruff of the neck until it changes.

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I presume that you also have an issue with the unelected British monarchy, especially considering the future king has previously tried to influence politics?

 

[Astute]

I have said that it was a sham and that it annoyed me. You say it is a scam and it seems to have annoyed you. Yet you claim that I cannot handle the truth. I don’t see a great deal of difference between us. Just that I don’t have to go on a rant about it every day.

The Mail is a joke and the ex chamber of commerce guy is UKIP mad. „Who would want to be a member of that club?“ Well for a start we are. We have the lowest unemployment since 1975, despite having 3,5 million EU citizens in employment. It actually shows the benefits of EU membership and that EU immigration is absolutely necessary. Take the 3,5 million out and some sectors will collapse because of lack of man power.

That previous Eastern Bloc countries and a traditionally poor country like Portugal, are getting their unemployment down, is indeed a success story. Shows how the Mail‘s headlines don’t reflect the truth.

Not at all. You try to compare the appointment of May to the appointment of Selmayr. However much I dislike May and the Tories there is one fact you try to twist. May got voted in. All procedures and regulations were followed.

Now you try to make out that the unemployment rates are to do with countries like Portugal. Read again. France and Italy were those spoken about. And what is the average unemployment rate once you take out Germany and the UK?

Yes a success. But you refuse to open your eyes to the problem. Whilst financially tied to how Germany is doing they will always struggle. And this is why I have said all along that the EU needs us. But you continue to spout what will happen when there is no deal.

Yes you are more or less German. You are as German as someone who has lived in the UK most of their life. Yes you want what is best for Germany. I can't blame you as you have lived there most of your life.

But just explain why the rest of the countries are struggling that are in the Euro but Germany is doing so well if it doesn't benefit Germany to the detriment of everyone else.

 

[SkyblueBazza]

I presume that you also have an issue with the unelected British monarchy, especially considering the future king has previously tried to influence politics?

No, I have no issue with them. The key word is 'tried' in your post. Politely slapped down too. He probably finds it more difficult to influence British politics than Mike Ashley does as head of a large retail group. And maybe more difficult than Joanna Lumley too.

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[Astute]

The average person on the street won't have a clue who he is. I'd wager you've only recently found out who he is as well as you've only started mentioning him relatively recently!

Correct. And I have said so.

Something very major flew under the radar. Most probably because most were concerned about the way Brexit looked to be going. Too much infighting even between their own parties.

I started off wanting to stay in the EU. For the benefit of myself I still want to stay in. But it isn't all about me. You talk as though I should just blindly walk into things without researching. And some try to make out that the Selmayr debacle is the only time that the EU has done anything wrong. Really?

 

[Grendel]

I presume that you also have an issue with the unelected British monarchy, especially considering the future king has previously tried to influence politics?

That’s really a pathetic response which proves you ha e no answer to his point

 

[Astute]

All this happened in March. There was an enquiry in April ( if I recall correctly). The socialists say there will be a reassessment. Pesky lefties. So, it is not even over yet.

The enquiry came up with it wouldn't happen again. WOW. And if more had to be done....where there was no offer for anything to be done....then the EU leadership would be decimated. But Selmayr would still have kept his position. Some enquiry.

 

[Astute]

I presume that you also have an issue with the unelected British monarchy, especially considering the future king has previously tried to influence politics?

Fuck me SB. You have joined the fiasco of trying to make the Selmayr debacle look OK.

 

[Sick Boy]

No, I have no issue with them. The key word is 'tried' in your post. Politely slapped down too. He probably finds it more difficult to influence British politics than Mike Ashley does as head of a large retail group. And maybe more difficult than Joanna Lumley too.

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So some unelected people are better than others?

 

[Sick Boy]

That’s really a pathetic response which proves you ha e no answer to his point

Hardly, it just highlights the hypocrisy of so many who claim to have issues with unelected people within the EU.

 

[Sick Boy]

Fuck me SB. You have joined the fiasco of trying to make the Selmayr debacle look OK.

I'm more concerned about the gambles and point hits I've taken on my FPL team to be honest.

 

[martcov]

Isn't that reinforcing the fact that far from being for the people of the EU...it is a working eauivalent of the 'Gentleman's Club' of old? Faceless, unknown, sometimes unelected individuals at least appearing to be making decisions with often sketchy details that get reported to the masses.
That leaves the masses feeling powerless. If they don't like something they feel they have nobody who is accountable, nobody to talk with about it beyond their own inner circle. There begins disenchantment ultimately leading to discontent...& the risk of collapse of the political structure.

The EU is only transparent it you look through the right window...one of hundreds of thousands...but you have to put your hand up to shield any reflections too. And even then the window may be somewhat dirty so ensure you have a wet sponge at hand to clean it off. It is all a lot of trouble to go to just to see what is happening. Changing what is happening you have to get a key to the outside door...& then select the correct key to open the correct door which you first need to find. Then you will be confronted with many processes & procedures to gain the change you seek.

I fancy most people will eventually simply decide to get anything done for the people...the easiest way is to break all the windows & grab the issue by the scruff of the neck until it changes.

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Or google EU.

 

[martcov]

Not at all. You try to compare the appointment of May to the appointment of Selmayr. However much I dislike May and the Tories there is one fact you try to twist. May got voted in. All procedures and regulations were followed.

Now you try to make out that the unemployment rates are to do with countries like Portugal. Read again. France and Italy were those spoken about. And what is the average unemployment rate once you take out Germany and the UK?

Yes a success. But you refuse to open your eyes to the problem. Whilst financially tied to how Germany is doing they will always struggle. And this is why I have said all along that the EU needs us. But you continue to spout what will happen when there is no deal.

Yes you are more or less German. You are as German as someone who has lived in the UK most of their life. Yes you want what is best for Germany. I can't blame you as you have lived there most of your life.

But just explain why the rest of the countries are struggling that are in the Euro but Germany is doing so well if it doesn't benefit Germany to the detriment of everyone else.

How is Portugal doing? The Czech Republic? Ireland? Estonia? You keep on about Italy and Greece. The rest of the countries are not all struggling. Southern Italy and Greece were problems before the EU and long before the Euro. Neither want to leave the Eurozone. I haven’t tried to compare the appointment of May to that of Selmayr. You are confused. I think you mean Tony. Although in the case of May, her opponent also dropped out at the last minute. But May‘s was a vote. Selmayr’s was not open to voting as it is not an elected position.

 

[martcov]

Fuck me SB. You have joined the fiasco of trying to make the Selmayr debacle look OK.

Actually, how was Prince Charles appointed to be the next head of state and defender of the faith? Now that puts a job as head of the civil service into perspective. And Charles job will be King for life.

 

[martcov]

Correct. And I have said so.

Something very major flew under the radar. Most probably because most were concerned about the way Brexit looked to be going. Too much infighting even between their own parties.

I started off wanting to stay in the EU. For the benefit of myself I still want to stay in. But it isn't all about me. You talk as though I should just blindly walk into things without researching. And some try to make out that the Selmayr debacle is the only time that the EU has done anything wrong. Really?

Name the „some“ and give examples. Name a Federal State, major trading bloc or United Kingdom that has not done anything wrong whilst you are at it.

 

[Captain Dart]

Isn't that reinforcing the fact that far from being for the people of the EU...it is a working eauivalent of the 'Gentleman's Club' of old? Faceless, unknown, sometimes unelected individuals at least appearing to be making decisions with often sketchy details that get reported to the masses.
That leaves the masses feeling powerless. If they don't like something they feel they have nobody who is accountable, nobody to talk with about it beyond their own inner circle. There begins disenchantment ultimately leading to discontent...& the risk of collapse of the political structure.

The EU is only transparent it you look through the right window...one of hundreds of thousands...but you have to put your hand up to shield any reflections too. And even then the window may be somewhat dirty so ensure you have a wet sponge at hand to clean it off. It is all a lot of trouble to go to just to see what is happening. Changing what is happening you have to get a key to the outside door...& then select the correct key to open the correct door which you first need to find. Then you will be confronted with many processes & procedures to gain the change you seek.

I fancy most people will eventually simply decide to get anything done for the people...the easiest way is to break all the windows & grab the issue by the scruff of the neck until it changes.

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Quite poetic imagery to describe the unworkable sham of the treaty of Lisbon that passes for democracy in the EU.

 

[Astute]

Hardly, it just highlights the hypocrisy of so many who claim to have issues with unelected people within the EU.

Are you saying that it is OK for the EU to break their rules and regulations because we have had monarchy for hundreds of years?

 

[Astute]

How is Portugal doing? The Czech Republic? Ireland? Estonia? You keep on about Italy and Greece. The rest of the countries are not all struggling. Southern Italy and Greece were problems before the EU and long before the Euro. Neither want to leave the Eurozone. I haven’t tried to compare the appointment of May to that of Selmayr. You are confused. I think you mean Tony. Although in the case of May, her opponent also dropped out at the last minute. But May‘s was a vote. Selmayr’s was not open to voting as it is not an elected position.

Here you go again.

May had more than 1 opponent. The last one dropped out as the vast majority were going to vote for May.

But you know this.

 

[Astute]

Actually, how was Prince Charles appointed to be the next head of state and defender of the faith? Now that puts a job as head of the civil service into perspective. And Charles job will be King for life.

Charlie has the right through birth. Selmayr has the right through breaking rules and procedures. Yet you make out that it is OK.

Just shows that the EU can't do anything wrong in your eyes.

 

[Astute]

Name the „some“ and give examples. Name a Federal State, major trading bloc or United Kingdom that has not done anything wrong whilst you are at it.

So it is the only thing they have done wrong?

 

[Astute]

So what will be done about Germany?

Germany now breaks more EU rules than any other country in the union

 

[Astute]

EU breaks it's own rules again

'Embarrassing' leak shows EU falls short of own GDPR data law

 

[Astute]

EU breaks it's own rules again

EU 'breaking own laws' by keeping documents secret

 

[Astute]

EU breaks it's own rules again

EU breaks own rules by denying human rights

 

[dutchman]

Apart from that’s not what they said. They said they may get penalised by Japan for having their office in a tax haven. Japan has just completed a trade deal with the EU. Maybe that has something to do with it.

So they picked the country next most likely to leave the EU and become a tax haven?

 

[Sick Boy]

Are you saying that it is OK for the EU to break their rules and regulations because we have had monarchy for hundreds of years?

You're great at trying to put words in people's mouths.

 

[martcov]

So it is the only thing they have done wrong?

No. I said Name a comparable organisation that has done no wrong. The U.K. has had enough human rights controversy over the years.

EU breaks it's own rules again

EU breaks own rules by denying human rights

Still took millions of refugees.

 

[martcov]

EU breaks it's own rules again

EU 'breaking own laws' by keeping documents secret

Seems more like negligence than an evil plot. These things happen in all large organisations. All documents mentioned could be requested by FOI.

 

[martcov]

EU breaks it's own rules again

'Embarrassing' leak shows EU falls short of own GDPR data law

Yes. Officials in Brussels admitted the bureaucracy that designed the rules is not itself compliant with the General Data Protection Regulation (GDPR). A spokesman said the European Commission was "taking and will continue to take all the necessary steps to comply".

Oops. Now taking necessary steps to comply. Not earth shattering and they are correcting it. Shouldn’t have happened, but it is an organisation of 500 million people in 28 countries. The chances of administrative mistakes are quite high. It would be a problem if they refused to correct mistakes, but in your examples they rectify the situation.

 

[martcov]

Charlie has the right through birth. Selmayr has the right through breaking rules and procedures. Yet you make out that it is OK.

Just shows that the EU can't do anything wrong in your eyes.

No. It shows you talk about votes when a civil servant gets appointed, but you forget about votes and democracy when it comes to the future head of state of the UK.. it’s called hypocrisy. The EU hasn’t done anything wrong. Juncker has pushed the EU rules to the limit. We won’t talk about May‘s attempt to use Henry VIII rules to pass legislation without debate. Henry got into power by birth so that’s ok by your standards.

 

[Astute]

You're great at trying to put words in people's mouths.

Not at all. You said that Charlie is going to be king and we never voted for him.

If not then what did you mean?

 

[Astute]

No. I said Name a comparable organisation that has done no wrong. The U.K. has had enough human rights controversy over the years.


Still took millions of refugees.

And now wants to lock them up.

 

[Astute]

Seems more like negligence than an evil plot. These things happen in all large organisations. All documents mentioned could be requested by FOI.

Was Selmayr negligence?