Astute
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No. It broke the rules. It has thousands of people working for it.
So what happened to wanting to see where it breaks it's own rules? Would you like more?
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So what happened to wanting to see where it breaks it's own rules? Would you like more?
Astute
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Did nothing wrong?
So you have admitted that it has done wrong but now you say it hasn't?
He didn't push the rules to the limit. He broke them. Full stop.
The job wasn't posted as available. Rule broken.
Selmayr didn't have a post that meant that he could apply for the job. So he was given one just so he could apply. This job also wasn't advertised. Rule broken.
His so called opponent was given a high up post for applying for the job given to Selmayr and withdrawing as soon as it was announced. This post wasn't advertised. Rule broken.
You keep saying that Juncker doesn't have the top job. No he doesn't. Selmayr has the top job. But Juncker can pull a lot of strings considering that he doesn't have the top job.
Then you have the nerve to say the EU isn't bent and that no rules have been broken :smuggrin:
Astute
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Where does the money go?
Revealed: majority of politicians on key EU farming panel have industry links
Revealed: majority of politicians on key EU farming panel have industry links
Really? They would need a big prison and the billions spent on housing, feeding, teaching languages and training would all have been in vain.
Sick Boy
Super Moderator
I've already said what I meant.
Not by Juncker.. But, there is obviously a need to strengthen the rules on appointmenting people. More like him taking advantage of poorly formulated or enforceable rules. Stil, there is supposed to be a reassessment according to one of your links.
I have said that there was an enquiry and the enquiry let it stand. The socialists in your link say that the parliament accepted the enquiry, but there will be a reassessment.
There is no suggestion that a 28 state, over 700 MEP organisation has deliberately promoted Selmayr. Juncker has pushed the rules to the limit.
The organisation which you are blaming for Juncker’s tricks is in uproar, which would suggest that they feel the same as yourself.
What’s wrong with that? If anything you should be praising the reaction of the majority in the EU.
Nothing unusual in Farmers being on a farming commission. Nor on Greenpeace pointing out ways in which the environment is being effected. Nor on politicians having private interests. Look at the landlords in the HoP in the UK. And, yes they should, and do declare their interests. Interesting is that Farage gave as his reason for not attending the Fisheries Commission, as that they have no power. This article claims commissions do have power. Make of that what you will.
Anyway about time you told us of a large organisation, such as a federal state, federation or United Kingdom that doesn’t have these failings. Using your logic, we should leave the UK because of things like the parliamentary pedophile ring coverup of Cyril Smith and Co..
Astute
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So you are denying it then?
Astute
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Which is what I said. But you denied it.
Otherwise what did you mean by saying about Charlie being King next?
Astute
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Astute
Well-Known Member
Yes there was an enquiry.
That was the same as a bank robber being tried by another bank robber instead of an independent judge in court.
Isn't it me that says the vast majority of those in the EU are very unhappy with the way it happened but they can't do anything about it? Yet you make out the enquiry has cleared it of any wrongdoing. Of course they wouldn't find that they did anything wrong.
And it leaves the EU top heavy with Germans. Yet you make out it is neutral between the countries in the EU.
Astute
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Positive spin eh?
So those who get money out of the system are the ones who decide who the money goes to but you say it is the best way to do it.
Any more comments on that the EU doesn't break its own rules? Have plenty more examples for you if you like.
Sick Boy
Super Moderator
It's quite clear from my post what I mean, I even clarified it. You then attempted to claim I said something else.
yes, of course I am. There are no plans to round up well over a million people and lock them up. Some far right people would like that I suppose.
Now, back to Brexit and the Northern Ireland problem.Far more significant to people's lives and the future of the UK than weird theories about locking up all refugees, or about EU civil service appointees.
A good post from the Independent forum:
old dane11 minutes ago
Seems like this comment hit a nerve among the scared flaggers. I took the time to write it, at it is not up to others to delete. The international society invested a lot for a decade to successfully solve the violent Northern Irish conflict and establish some possible peace and future for the ordinary NI citizens. Kindly remember neither the involved governments nor the divided population in Northern Ireland had been able to sort out their differences in a civilized way for decades, resulting in violent oppression of the minority and violent resistance from same minority. Thus, international mediation was certainly needed. There was and is no international support for the sectarian relics on either side, but a lot of support for the rights of the ordinary Northern Irish population to live in peace, participate in the 21st century and decide their own path for the future. The EU do not work for or against Irish unification, Scottish independence or involve in internal rifts in member nations, it is none of our collective European business. But we do work for the mutual benefits of democratic peaceful cooperation, and in such a Union you honor your obligations like anyone else. The rule of mutual agreed law is the foundation for democracies. Period. In the GFA the UK agreed to share NI sovereignty with the devolved NI parliament and ROI, plus agreed devolved powers to Stormont and several power sharing institutions with the ROI. The GFA is enshrined in the ROI written constitution in the 19th amendment. Though the UK do not have a written constitution it is likewise a constitutional obligation for the UK. The GFA is certainly listed among the “Constitutional documents and events (present & historical) relevant to the status of the United Kingdom and legislative unions of its constituent countries”. The Brexit vote did not in itself empower any government to change the constitutional status of the UK, as the promised versions of Brexit was possible respecting existing constitutional documents. But the combination of Brexit and the later government “red lines” certainly did change UK constitutional rights of millions. The right wing ultra-nationalistic Tory government further violated the constitutional rights of Wales and Scotland given in the likewise constitutional documents; Government of Wales Act 1998 and Scotland Act 1998, by de facto diminishing the devolved powers to these local parliaments in the subsequent Brexit legislation. The fundamental and severe weakness of the UK “democracy” is the lack of a written constitution. The UK never put your constitution to a public vote, and there are no written guaranties for anyone who for a short period can be deemed a “minority”. There is not even a formal procedure for changing the constitutional conditions, and no demand for a confirmed supermajority. It is even possible for a minority government to fundamentally diminish the living conditions for the vast majority of the UK population on the basis of an advisory referendum, resulting in 37% of the electorate voting against 35% for a matter not mentioning dire constitutional changes. Such a weakly defended democracy is prone to minority coups. In Westminster the right-wing imperial relics of the Tory party never accepted the GFA nor the devolved parliaments in Scotland and Wales, they even protest the Human right act implementing international acknowledged rights for UK citizens. They never accepted the UK welfare state including the NHS and have done everything in their power to undermine the UK welfare institutions and collective infrastructure for many decades. The Tory governments even willfully destroyed the UK manufacturing base upholding the livelihood for millions in the UK regions, and made social mobility almost impossible with austerity and unaffordable expensive education. Brexit presents the ultimate chance for the Tory billionaires and their associated international right wing allies and press moguls to instigate the final coup against UK public democracy and welfare state. It seems they manage with the assistance of nationalistic emotions, xenophobia and revanchism stirred up among a loud and aggressive minority.
Yes, I am sure you have. These are mundane things that happen everywhere. The Trump adminstration ( just click Wilbur Ross, insider trading of a cabinet member for starters ), our parliament ( expenses or sex scandal every few years ), the Russian federation ( you become rich or land in prison or are murdered depending on who you politically support whilst being corrupt ), Victor Orban's family business ( Hungary ) etc... They should be stopped. I think we agree on that. You can scour the internet and find faults in the set-up of a 500 million entity pretty easily. It is the largest bloc in the world. I don't get you point. Are you claiming the EU is unique in that some things are wrong or could be better carried out? That's why you are happy going into a car crash Brexit? Takes all sorts I suppose.
Germany is the biggest country in the EU and has the most MEPs. But: Selmayr is the first German to hold this positon in 50 years. Tusk is president of the EU Council - Polish, Guy Verhofstadt, EU parliament for Brexit - Belgian, Juncker EU Council - Luxembourgoise. Your analogy of a bank robber also doesn't fit. UKIP was found guilty of cheating with EU funds by the EU. Sort of shows that even EU parties can be found out by the EU. Isn't Farage still having money deducted from his salary having been caught in some scam?
I don't make out that the enquiry said he didn't break the law. The enquiry said that he didn't. You make out that he broke the law... although you haven't seen all the evidence presented and are not an expert on EU law. You are wasted on here. I am aware that a lot of people are annoyed, including you and I, and that the socialists said there will be a reassessment. Let's see what happens. But I will accept what the enquiry says, or what the reassessment brings out. I still don't like it.
Astute
Well-Known Member
You clarified nothing. I have now asked you a few times what you meant. And when I guessed what you meant you said I was putting words in your mouth.
Been taking lessons off Mart?
Astute
Well-Known Member
And here you go again mentioning people that don't do things the right way being a good enough reason for the EU to not have to do things the right way.
Nearly everyone agrees on how bad Trump is. Are you comparing the EU to Trump?
Astute
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Brussels’ Selmayr problem: Too many Germans in top jobs
Is Germany too powerful for Europe?
http://www.atimes.com/article/really-runs-european-union-germany-thats/
Germany RULING the EU: Now THREE of EU's most powerful institutions are run by GERMANS
World's Greatest Danger: Germany Domineers Over Europe Again!
Yes Germany has the highest population. And it has used the EU and Euro to its own benefit to become strong. And continues to do so. But does it mean that they should have so many top jobs when most countries have none at all?
CovInEssex
Well-Known Member
How long dya reckon it would take to read this thread?
skybluetony176
Well-Known Member
Read the first page, assume that astutes reply to everything is “what about what Junker done” and you’ve covered all the bases.
No comparison is there. Trump is premier league. Juncker is not even League 2 in comparison. Just saying if you want to scour the internet for tax dodging, money laudering, mob connections, corruption, insider trading, using government agencies for your own purposes, appointing friends and family members to top jobs etc., just google Trump News. A bit easier than getting The Express articles about German Civil servants and missing the fact that they are administrators not top politicians. The Germans do not have one of the top 3 jobs in the EU.
No. I said it is not unusual for people to get caught out bending or breaking laws. I said it should be stopped. You seem to think it is an EU thing and never happens anywhere else.
More like he is seeing how you constantly put words into my mouth and his own mouth.
skybluetony176
Well-Known Member
How does the old saying go. Fail to prepare, prepare to fail. Something like that ‘Stating the obvious!’ Brexit no deal papers blasted for offering ‘few solutions’
Astute
Well-Known Member
Which is a Mart answer as there isn't a decent enough excuse for him.
Yet how does Farage keep getting mentioned?
Astute
Well-Known Member
1 We are not a part of the USA.
2 You tried to say that the EU does not break its own rules and regulations. So I showed you a few. So you did your usual and tried to change the subject.
Astute
Well-Known Member
No. You said the EU doesn't and wanted me to prove it.
Astute
Well-Known Member
More like you don't like being shown to be wrong
SkyblueBazza
Well-Known Member
Not in my view.
But trying to liken the person that tries to influence you to jump off a cliff, with one that pushes you off is a bit ridiculous imo
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Astute
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Don't worry. There will be jobs from British companies coming back to the UK when they can't take advantage of cheap labour in the EU. It works both ways. And as was said in the article the EU will come off worse for it. The work was done here for our expertise. We will find it much easier to work with the rest of the world in this field once the EU restrictions are lifted after leaving.
SkyblueBazza
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He is also assuming anybody (other than himself & SickBoy & parhaps 1% of the UK population) gives a shit what Charlie says
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