The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (36 Viewers)

[Astute]

You posted more than one link explaining exactly the answer to that. Why don’t you try reading them? For a change. Nice to see it’s not just my links that you don’t read. No wonder you talk bollocks you don’t even read your own.

Try and be truthful for once.

Is the EIB the bank of the EU. And they use it to loan out funds to who they want to?

Definitely yes. And I have given you enough links to prove the matter.

So if the EU uses their bank in this way can you explain why it is you say that it wasn't the EU that loaned the money to Turkey to take jobs away from the UK.

 

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[Astute]

I’ve just provided you multiple quotes in one post dismissing your absurd claims in this post. Clearly you didn’t read any of it because not five minutes later you’re spouting the same bollocks again.

So did the EU lend money to Turkey to take jobs away from the UK?

You say no. Then you accuse me of talking bollocks :smuggrin:

 

[SkyblueBazza]

They, the EIB loaned them money. They have to pay it back, with interest. “They” haven’t given them anything. How can the Turks write it off? They are neither EU members and therefore not a shareholder in the EIB, they have no authority to write it off.

You never heard of cancelling debts & nullifying agreements? AND mostly getting away with it? Maybe SISU & Northampton will jog your memory. Or, although a long time ago, a certain German leader..?

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[skybluetony176]

Tony all you are doing is quoting an article from the Independent and claiming it’s your own words.

Oddly you as that article fails to mention is it’s paying back agreed commitments from the bank before we leave as we are massively net contributors. So it’s irrelevant.

The interest rate comment was not actually referring to those loans but the whole Eu strategy which props up the euro through tying the banks lending rate to Germany so it can support countries that otherwise would be bust.

Anyway Tony can you link the address of the welsh branch if the Eu commission please - I need a loan

As I told you in the post all the links are on here so how exactly am I claiming anything to be my own words when I’m telling you that the information has come from links on this thread?

There’s also more links to details on here than the one article from a newspaper. Hence I said links not link.

Then you just talk complete bollocks for no other reason than a distraction from the point.

 

[SkyblueBazza]

Turkey has been “joining” the EU for over 30 years now. They don’t meet the criteria and never will. The process was started to garner favour with Turkish voters by Turkish politicians. Turkey joining the EU is little more than a myth.

So why did the EU pay to export jobs? And surely you aren't suggesting the EU would pursue a pipe-dream?

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[SkyblueBazza]

What utter drivel.

Explain oh ye of superior knowledge

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[skybluetony176]

You never heard of cancelling debts & nullifying agreements? AND mostly getting away with it? Maybe SISU & Northampton will jog your memory. Or, although a long time ago, a certain German leader..?

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Well. For starters it was Ford that borrowed the money not Turkey. How does Turkey have the rights to negotiate cancelling and nullifying Fords debts exactly? Turkey isn’t a member of the EU so therefore are not a shareholder in the EIB . Again, how does Turkey have the right to cancel or nullify debt owed to the EIB from an American corporation such as Ford? Or if you’re Grendull “a wonga type customer” who would have guessed has Grendull worked for a wonga type.

 

[skybluetony176]

So did the EU lend money to Turkey to take jobs away from the UK?

You say no. Then you accuse me of talking bollocks :smuggrin:

If it’s beyond you you’re probably better off ducking out of this one.

 

[Grendel]

As I told you in the post all the links are on here so how exactly am I claiming anything to be my own words when I’m telling you that the information has come from links on this thread?

There’s also more links to details on here than the one article from a newspaper. Hence I said links not link.

Then you just talk complete bollocks for no other reason than a distraction from the point.

Tony your whole reply to astute was embarrassing- even Martcov is keeping a wide berth.

 

[Grendel]

If it’s beyond you you’re probably better off ducking out of this one.

Welsh branch if the Eu commission Tony?

 

[Grendel]

Well. For starters it was Ford that borrowed the money not Turkey. How does Turkey have the rights to negotiate cancelling and nullifying Fords debts exactly? Turkey isn’t a member of the EU so therefore are not a shareholder in the EIB . Again, how does Turkey have the right to cancel or nullify debt owed to the EIB from an American corporation such as Ford? Or if you’re Grendull “a wonga type customers” who would have guessed has Grendull worked for a wonga type.

Jesus wept

 

[skybluetony176]

Just in the interest of balance it turns out that Ford has received more than one loan from the EIB in the last 8 years. This one is significantly larger than the Turkey loan and was invested in the U.K. United Kingdom: GBP 450 million to Ford for new generation of environmentally friendly vehicle technologies

Another wonga type customer apparently.

 

[martcov]

Are you doing a Tony and pretending that it isn't the bank of the EU and that it shouldn't be run to the benefit of EU members?

No. I am saying that 90% of business is in Europe, but that there are other aims than purely inside the EU. Supporting the Balkans

 

[skybluetony176]

Jesus wept

He probably did when he heard you refer to one of the oldest most successful car manufacturers the world has seen as a wonga type customer.

 

[skybluetony176]

Welsh branch if the Eu commission Tony?

Wales office - United Kingdom - European Commission

You did ask. I thought you’d embarrassed yourself enough but clearly you’re a glutton for punishment. I’d copy and paste the address but you’ll probably accuse me of claiming that they’re my own words. Even though I’ve pointed out it’s from a link.

 

[Grendel]

He probably did when he heard you refer to one of the oldest most successful car manufacturers the world has seen as a wonga type customer.

Tony im referring to the Eu lending strategy to its bust markets - I have zero interest in ford and turkey - still mad Mart is back on board

 

[Grendel]

Wales office - United Kingdom - European Commission

You did ask. I thought you’d embarrassed yourself enough but clearly you’re a glutton for punishment. I’d copy and paste the address but you’ll probably accuse me of claiming that they’re my own words. Even though I’ve pointed out it’s from a link.

That’s not the welsh branch Tony.

I give up

 

[skybluetony176]

So why did the EU pay to export jobs? And surely you aren't suggesting the EU would pursue a pipe-dream?

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The EIB loan on this occasion was a bum move. Never said any different.

The membership application was made by Turkey. Are you suggesting that the EU shouldn’t process applications? The details are all online. It’s been a while since I’ve read up on it but there’s something like 30 odd things to agree on. The EU and Turkey has never got more than half way through this process and only ever completed 1 in 30 years of negotiations. It isn’t happening. I don’t think that either side are pursuing it anymore because of the current Turkish governments behaviour in general.

 

[skybluetony176]

That’s not the welsh branch Tony.

I give up

You should give up. Either that or simply buy a dictionary and read it.

“Branch, a division or office of a large business or organization, operating locally or having a particular function”

 

[skybluetony176]

Tony im referring to the Eu lending strategy to its bust markets - I have zero interest in ford and turkey - still mad Mart is back on board

Bust markets? Like this one? England: GBP 340 million for Jaguar Land Rover Presumably you are interested in this one?

 

[Grendel]

You should give up. Either that or buy a dictionary and read it.

“Branch, a division or office of a large business or organization, operating locally or having a particular function”

So you believe there is a European Commission for Wales Tony?

 

[Grendel]

Bust markets? Like this one? England: GBP 340 million for Jaguar Land Rover Presumably you are interested in this one?

No as that’s not proving astutes point regarding the Eu monetary and fiscal strategy being linked to the banks lending policy Tony.

 

[martcov]

So did the EU lend money to Turkey to take jobs away from the UK?

You say no. Then you accuse me of talking bollocks :smuggrin:

Bollocks... the EU didn’t loan money to take jobs from the UK. Totally nutty conspiracy theory. Out of 60 Billion made available in 2012, the EIB loaned a paltry 80 million to a 4 billion ( up until then ) joint venture project in which Ford had a minority stake. Ford UK was reducing it’s operation in the UK and closed the Southampton plant. That’s it. If they hadn’t got 80 million from the EIB, they would have got it somewhere else as they were already in for getting on 4 billion. Just a Faragism which people like you like to believe.

 

[skybluetony176]

So you believe there is a European Commission for Wales Tony?

You asked a question, I answered it. Not embarrassed enough by the answer you try to rewrite the definition of the word branch when it refers to an organisation. I again answer you with a copy and pasted definition from an online dictionary (for the purpose of clarity I’m not claiming this definition to be my own words), you’re now attempting to have a third stab at a pointless and failed jibe that you made trying to look clever while dodging the point actually being made. A sensible person would have bowed out when proven wrong the first time, a stubborn person would have given up after the second attempt. You’d have to be a complete idiot to come back for a third go. Considering that you were trying to be clever you’ve done a good job making yourself look an idiot. That’s a special kind of stupid.

 

[skybluetony176]

No as that’s not proving astutes point regarding the Eu monetary and fiscal strategy being linked to the banks lending policy Tony.

Ha ha ha. Was that what astutes point was. Yeah OK. You two should get married, you make a good couple. Harry and Lloyd.

 

[Grendel]

You asked a question, I answered it. Not embarrassed enough by the answer you try to rewrite the definition of the word branch when it refers to an organisation. I again answer you with a copy and pasted definition from an online dictionary (for the purpose of clarity I’m not claiming this definition to be my own words), you’re now attempting to have a third stab at a pointless and failed jibe that you made trying to look clever while dodging the point actually being made. A sensible person would have bowed out when proven wrong the first time, a stubborn person would have given up after the second attempt. You’d have to be a complete idiot to come back for a third go. Considering that you were trying to be clever you’ve done a good job making yourself look an idiot. That’s a special kind of stupid.

So you believe there is an independent European Commission for Wales that operates out of that office?

Is that what you think?

Because if you do you really are a moron. Do you think that office in Wales is the European Commission for Wales Tony?

Is there one for England Tony?

Thing is you mock astute yet you believe every country in Europe has its own individual office that makes its own individual determination of state aid validation in its own country - there are 28 that act autonomously - you actually think that don’t you Tony?

 

[martcov]

You never heard of cancelling debts & nullifying agreements? AND mostly getting away with it? Maybe SISU & Northampton will jog your memory. Or, although a long time ago, a certain German leader..?

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Are you suggesting a project part owned by Ford with presumably assets and the Turkish government involved should go into administration? And knock the EIB? And that that would be beneficial for them?

 

[martcov]

Muppet?

What an about turn. You said the EIB wasn't anything to do with the EU. Now are you saying that it is?

Maybe you can't deny the links for once.

Did you notice this line in the last link?

The EIB does currently lend outside the EU, but generally does so in line with the EU's foreign policy objectives: mostly pouring cash into pre-accession countries that could one day join the EU, or providing support for the EU's poorer southern and eastern neighbours.

So how did this mean a big loan to Turkey to take away jobs from the UK? So in other words we paid out to lose jobs.

Oh the EU is a wonderful thing.

You do talk some crap. Simplistic crap.

 

[martcov]

Tony all you are doing is quoting an article from the Independent and claiming it’s your own words.

Oddly you as that article fails to mention is it’s paying back agreed commitments from the bank before we leave as we are massively net contributors. So it’s irrelevant.

The interest rate comment was not actually referring to those loans but the whole Eu strategy which props up the euro through tying the banks lending rate to Germany so it can support countries that otherwise would be bust.

Anyway Tony can you link the address of the welsh branch if the Eu commission please - I need a loan

I would get a loan quick and in Euros at a low rate. The BoE will have to raise interest rates to prop up the GBP when Brexit finally happens.

 

[Grendel]

I would get a loan quick and in Euros at a low rate. The BoE will have to raise interest rates to prop up the GBP when Brexit finally happens.

Will it? Why?

 

[skybluetony176]

So you believe there is an independent European Commission for Wales that operates out of that office?

Is that what you think?

Because if you do you really are a moron. Do you think that office in Wales is the European Commission for Wales Tony?

Is there one for England Tony?

Thing is you mock astute yet you believe every country in Europe has its own individual office that makes its own individual determination of state aid validation in its own country - there are 28 that act autonomously - you actually think that don’t you Tony?

Forth attempt. Wow. How many times can you change a question before it no longer becomes the question originally asked. I’ll let you have the first two as it’s unfair to expect you to have read the dictionary and recalled every definition of every word (although I would have thought that any simpleton would understand that the word branch when used in the right context also means the same as a local office). But now you’re getting ridiculous. You’re now wording this question so it bares no resemblance to what you asked me and not only that you’re trying to put words in my mouth in the process. You’re question as originally asked wasn’t even relevant to the conversation, in its latest guise it isn’t even relevant to the how you asked it originally. You have serious issues. You should probably seek professional help for this trait of yours.

 

[Grendel]

Forth attempt. Wow. How many times can you change a question before it no longer becomes the question originally asked. I’ll let you have the first two as it’s unfair to expect you to have read the dictionary and recalled every definition of every word (although I would have thought that any simpleton would understand that the word branch when used in the right context also means the same as a local office). But now you’re getting ridiculous. You’re now wording this question so it bares no resemblance to what you asked me and not only that you’re trying to put words in my mouth in the process. You’re question as originally asked wasn’t even relevant to the conversation, in its latest guise it isn’t even relevant to the how you asked it originally. You have serious issues. You should probably seek professional help for this trait of yours.

Tony is there a European Commission for wales?

 

[martcov]

Tony your whole reply to astute was embarrassing- even Martcov is keeping a wide berth.

I was driving on the Autobahn with my nice Discovery. Next one will be EU built in Slovenia probably.

 

[Astute]

If it’s beyond you you’re probably better off ducking out of this one.

No. You never being able to admit when wrong and preferring to come out with more bullshit to try and cover for yourself is beyond me though.

 

[martcov]

Will it? Why?

Because, although uncertainty is probably priced in, the actual act of leaving will cause a further drop against the Euro. Unless we have the get out of Brexit having to be ratified by parliament, a general election and/ or a second referendum. I am planning my longest UK visit for after Brexit day and will come in April. Then we will know more. Maybe I will come on Brexit day if there are anti Brexit demonstrations planned. Would love to stand and be counted against the Brexiters..