Astute
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Under state aid rules help isn't allowed. But help was given to Turkey to take on the production of Trannies from the UK. Would you like to deny it?
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Astute
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So you are now saying that nobody in the EU gives a shit about what the person with the top job in the EU says?
You are funny sometimes.
skybluetony176
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It was a loan from the EIB not state aid. Still unfortunate for Southampton and yes you could justifiably say it was an own goal for the EU and more specifically the U.K. but let’s call it what it was and not pretend it was something else.
Astute
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So an own goal for the EU but not pretend?
So what do you mean?
So the EIB loaned money so that Tranny production could be moved from the UK to Turkey. If the BoE had loaned money so jobs could move from other EU countries to the UK it would be seen as state aid. But when it is the EU bank it is seen differently by yourself.
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skybluetony176
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You’re trying to pretend that it was state aid, it wasn’t. It was a loan from the EIB that the U.K. is a shareholder in. It will be paid back with interest. Which the U.K. will be a recipient of even after brexit as we have long term commitments to the EIB. Little comfort to the former workers at Ford Southampton but that’s what happened. Ford Turkey wasn’t handed a load of cash from the EU as aid.
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skybluetony176
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Yes. Loan, not state aid. Like I said.
Astute
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But making a loan so jobs could be taken out of the UK.
Would it have been state aid if funds were made available to take jobs away from the EU to the UK?
A very good reason to stay in the EU
Don’t know the details, but read somewhere that had been debunked.
But making a loan so jobs could be taken out of the UK.
Would it have been state aid if funds were made available to take jobs away from the EU to the UK?
A very good reason to stay in the EU
Bollocks. Two different things. You said yourself Ford have been reducing in the UK for years.
But making a loan so jobs could be taken out of the UK.
Would it have been state aid if funds were made available to take jobs away from the EU to the UK?
A very good reason to stay in the EU
Plus we have had far more loans coming in than most countries. We are a beneficiary.
He hasn’t got the top job. You say yourself that Juncker has the top job.. or Tusk, or Vanderhof ... he is a general secretary of the civil service, but doesn’t have legislative powers.
1. you still quote the Daily Farage.
2. UK ist the one talking of no deal.
3. correct. Just sort the Irish problem out, then we can move on.
4. Err .. there is only one party that voted to cut their nose off to spite their face.
SkyblueBazza
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Lol...listen to his brother Astute, listen to his brother. I am surprised you still have patience to respond to him
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SkyblueBazza
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I doubt the average man in the street does...but MEPs will listen & consider & probably be influenced towards acceptance of his wishes.
Again highlighting that those answerable are so far removed from those the affect...the affected become disaffected & it all ends in tears. Just like countries, & huge global corporations...they all fall prey to the fate of complacency in the end.
In fact, let us be honest...although the UK economy has done well for a few generations, it was always going to be prey to cyclical changes & lose influence globally whether in or out of the EU!
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SkyblueBazza
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That is because at the time the EU was trying to encompass Turkey & welcome them to the fold - but it appears to have been a failed plan
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SkyblueBazza
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Yes Tony...call it what you like...they gave them the money. They may get it back or write it off...or even the Turks may yet write it off. Had they given the money to the UK...maybe the transit would still be made here? But no, the appeal of an even wider EU was irresistable
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Why don’t you talk about EIB finance for UK companies? Far more than a loan for a Turkish factory. Far more jobs created than lost.
Biggest fan of Turkish membership being BoJo. An economically strong Turkey as a partner, military and economic, is desirable, especially with the refugee situation and the instability in that region. Now that Erdogan and Trump are trying to prove who is the toughest, everybody loses. Apart from Putin of course.
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The total investment of the EIB Group (the European Investment Bank and the European Investment Fund) in the United Kingdom in 2017 was EUR 2.1 billion“
Turkey loan 80m in 2012.
Because of Brexit the investment of the EIB has dropped significantly in 2018. If you want to talk about job creation based on EIB loans, then leaving the EU is reducing job creation. 2,1 billion on projects in 2017 created more than those lost, only partly, because of the 80 million Turkey loan.
But it was the lying toad Farage who wanted to make capital of the Turkey loan. You gobble his BS up.
skybluetony176
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They, the EIB loaned them money. They have to pay it back, with interest. “They” haven’t given them anything. How can the Turks write it off? They are neither EU members and therefore not a shareholder in the EIB, they have no authority to write it off.
skybluetony176
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Turkey has been “joining” the EU for over 30 years now. They don’t meet the criteria and never will. The process was started to garner favour with Turkish voters by Turkish politicians. Turkey joining the EU is little more than a myth.
Astute
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I have searched and found nothing. Nothing but contempt for us in the UK.
Yet you say we should stay in at any cost.
Astute
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So is it anything to do with Brexit? Because you and Tony disagree it seems.
Astute
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We are a beneficiary. But we also have to put billions in. And even after leaving the EU we still have to put more in and wait decades to get our money back.
Astute
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Bollocks. Selmayr has the top job. Or are you now calling the EU liars yourself.
Astute
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1, Explain yourself and do something unusual for yourself. Give proof.
2, Talking of no deal if the EU continues to take the piss. You seem to love the idea of us just bending over and getting shafted.
3, Yes as I have said all along a trade deal would sort out the vast majority of problems with the Irish situation.
4, Is that the Tories, Labour or anyone else?
Astute
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I dislike liars and bullshitters. I also dislike people who give out false information. I will always point it out.
Try EIB Britain
fernandopartridge
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What utter drivel.
No doubt you will join me in criticising Farage for trying to use a 80m loan as an anti EU weapon whilst neglecting the 2.1 Billion inward loans in 2017? You said Ford have been downscaling in the UK for years anyway.
Looking forward to it.
1. Your post Sunday 3:10 pm.
2. you have changed your stance and now admit you were wrong ( in your way of doing things ).
3. the Irish situation is our problem. We are signatories to a peace agreement registered with the UN. No point in signing deals until we know that the border is there or not there. So you are wrong in what you claim.
4. No. Brexit is an act of self harm.
Astute
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The EU seems to be run in a way that makes countries dependent on staying in the EU. And all to benefit Germany. Selmayr is a German. Look how he got his position. Now they have several top jobs.
But no. Listen to Mart and he will tell you that no rules were broke
Astute
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Come out with your list then.
Astute
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How much are we owed by the EIB?