Sick Boy
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It's nothing like signing the UK up to the € against the wishes of the country and you know it!
Second referendum : am I missing something ? (22 Viewers)
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It's nothing like signing the UK up to the € against the wishes of the country and you know it!
Grendel
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Yeah and the point is Mart in a democracy the next government can overrun a decision if its elected.
In the anti democratic federalist superstate once a decision is made there is no going back — is there?
Grendel
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Did the British public have any choice in the matter?
Sick Boy
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Well if it was such a major issue, you'd think that the party would never get elected again using your own words.
Still, they're nowhere near the same and you know it.
Grendel
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Just prudent caution
Grendel
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Every party supported it and both were significant in having closer links with Europe and are instrumental as to why we are where we now are
skybluetony176
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Every government (until very recently) has got in with a manifesto and strengthening ties with Europe and the EU not severing them.
skybluetony176
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Pending the unfolding disaster.
Grendel
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No just any blip at the beginning caused mostly by negative per perception
I met with my financial advisor last week and we have made measures to ensure the portfolio (as much as can be certain) would not be negatively impacted by a decline in uk stocks. I don’t believe this will happen but it’s prudent caution.
Sick Boy
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...and nothing has chaneed wit regards to the key parties and the only true anti EU party never got close to getting power.
Grendel
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Which is my point. The political classes with snouts in the Brussels trough and ordinary man on the street unable to influence
The next government can overturn a bad decision? Yet a catostraphic decision by largely older voters cannot be changed to benefit the young? Strange logic.
Grendel
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Classic - the old have no say. What next Nazi boy - the weak, the infirm?
Another one to freeze frame to show the dispicable face of remain
You mean Farage and co? What about the Tory political class in the UK? The ordinary man in the street seems to be suffering from the Stockholm syndrome. Following some of the most privileged people in Britain who want to do away with regulations protecting workers and the environment. So bad that the same people being „led up the garden path“ by people like Banks, his words, blame their problems on Muslims and EU migrants.
Grendel
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Which regulations are we giving up?
skybluetony176
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So you’re not preparing your portfolio to capitalise on a boom then just protecting it against a disaster?
Grendel
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Neither - just short term sensible prudence. Markets react illogically sometimes for a short period. Nothing major will happen at all is my actual view.
We have problems signing up for EU Charter on human rights and for 40 years the anti EU politicians have been talking about reducing EU bureaucracy. Seeing as they have increased bureauocracy on everything apart from workers‘ rights and the environment, I would say that compulsory 4 week paid holidays and the working hours directive, which has been constantly slagged by Farage and co, would be top of the list for the right wingers in the Tory party. The argument, articulated by Farage, is that it makes us less competitive.
skybluetony176
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How about something closer to your heart. The EU recognises under the Lisbon treaty animals as sentient beings. The Tories have just voted otherwise. Are you concerned that without the recognition of the Lisbon treaty regulations surrounding animal rights are going to take a brexit battering? Given that the government thinks that animals can’t feel pain and suffering?
Great. If JLR goes down the tubes you get your portfolio income and your comfortable pension. You can’t lose.
My problem is the working class who believe the likes of Rees Mogg, Banks, Lord Belize, Wigmore, Farage and assorted tossers. They don’t have a portfolio that won’t be affected or a comfortable pension. Funnily enough it is the remainers who actually have these thoughts about the welfare of the poorer, less well educated leavers. You guys just want out of the EU and a blue passport.
skybluetony176
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Worst case scenario for you I imagine would be the pound not crashing. The FTSE 100 clearly took a shot in the arm from the falling pound two years ago. If it doesn’t happen again I’d imagine that the FTSE will stagnate or even go backwards.
skybluetony176
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Apropos Nazis. Still no comment about conservatives voting not to sanction the fascist anti semite Viktor Orban in the EU Parliament. The only ruling party in the EU not to do that.
For your generation or the young?
skybluetony176
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Friends of the Earth, WWF and others have concerns about environmental regulations as well post brexit UK risks losing environmental protections after Brexit, say campaigners
skybluetony176
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Grendel
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That’s interesting - so can a uk government ban imports of Fois Gras while remaining in the EU
I’m sure those Geese love a bit of EU protection as sentient beings
Grendel
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Speculation
Some might (will) say I'm a fool for voting leave but I had my reasons and would still vote to leave. The thing I would change is the idiots who have ruined the vision of the majority by their complete ineptitude for the way they've handled the whole Brexit.
Britain is (was) a proud nation. The EU is getting too big and is, in my opinion, making a mockery of the brave men and women who fought and died for our freedom. The UK was being consumed by the EU who just want to get more powerful. I for one hate(d) being dictated to by somebody in a different country. I didn't believe the hype (lies) of either the remain or leave campaigns and made my own mind up from my own personal views. There is too much scaremongering going on to which the more gullible members of society believe too easily. Yes some might come true but then again it might be the opposite - it's educated guess work - only time will tell.
By the way, I'm not racist, a Trump supporter (far from it) or an uneducated idiot. I am a successful IT manager with my own mind. I love the diversity this country has.
Britain will be great again or at least would be if the idiots in charge don't (deliberately it seems) destroy it - sounds a bit like our City and it's council
Britain is (was) a proud nation. The EU is getting too big and is, in my opinion, making a mockery of the brave men and women who fought and died for our freedom. The UK was being consumed by the EU who just want to get more powerful. I for one hate(d) being dictated to by somebody in a different country. I didn't believe the hype (lies) of either the remain or leave campaigns and made my own mind up from my own personal views. There is too much scaremongering going on to which the more gullible members of society believe too easily. Yes some might come true but then again it might be the opposite - it's educated guess work - only time will tell.
By the way, I'm not racist, a Trump supporter (far from it) or an uneducated idiot. I am a successful IT manager with my own mind. I love the diversity this country has.
Britain will be great again or at least would be if the idiots in charge don't (deliberately it seems) destroy it - sounds a bit like our City and it's council
Sick Boy
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I forgot about that, fecking psychopaths
Sick Boy
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The EU is something that the UK has helped shape and all countries would describe themselves as proud.
pastythegreat
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I too would still vote the same, and again and again.
I don't even buy the NHS bus as an argument. Anyone who seen that slogan as anything other than a suggestion is either so thick they shouldn't be trusted with a vote or lost the vote and are just clutching at straws for a reason for a re vote. "we pay the EU £350m a week, let's funds the NHS instead"!
Its nothing else. Just a suggestion. It says to me, why waste £350m a week when we COULD POSSIIIIBLY spend it here instead. At absolute no point did I think we would automatically plough £350m a week into the NHS, It would be nice to have the option to put a bit extra in every now and then though. Surely to be able to choose where to spend our own money on our own problems will be nice. Instead of bailing out Spain and Greece.
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The government thinks that people don't feel pain and suffering by the seems of it looking at the way they treat the public (especially the non-rich)
Grendel
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I know I love the way animals are treated as sentient beings in medieval Greece, Italy and Spain as for Romania - a haven for animals for sure