The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (150 Viewers)

[Grendel]

The poll funnily enough shows how out of touch the membership is with the larger uk public

 

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[martcov]

Of course they do as they are all of one mind. A pretty confused one clearly.

Members are a tiny proportion of labour voters and the majority of labour seats in the last election voted to leave

Changed now hasn’t it? Oh, and here is nice quote from of your informed and not confused leave culprits:

„The U.K. and US fought two world wars for lousy Europeans like you & NATO kept the peace afterwards . The EU had nothing to do with it ...“

Totally uninformed. Anyone on the winning side was fighting fascism. The fascism of extreme Brexit as personified by Banks..

 

[Sick Boy]

The poll funnily enough shows how out of touch the membership is with the larger uk public

And what makes you better qualified and more informed?

 

[Sick Boy]

Of course they do as they are all of one mind. A pretty confused one clearly.

Members are a tiny proportion of labour voters and the majority of labour seats in the last election voted to leave

Then surely we should then expect the Tories to win by one the largest landslides in history.

 

[Grendel]

Changed now hasn’t it? Oh, and here is nice quote from of your informed and not confused leave culprits:

„The U.K. and US fought two world wars for lousy Europeans like you & NATO kept the peace afterwards . The EU had nothing to do with it ...“

Totally uninformed. Anyone on the winning side was fighting fascism. The fascism of extreme Brexit as personified by Banks..

What’s changed? Been on the pop early?

 

[Grendel]

Then surely we should then expect the Tories to win by one the largest landslides in history.

Why? There won’t be a second referendum - Corbyn knows it

What’s funny is the dimwit labour members supporting a hardened socialist whose core principal is to leave the capitalist club in Europe while at the same time having more in common with Anthony Blair.

Still they think they are right on lefties by no doubt cheering the nationalisation proposals without realising Eu regulations will likely prevent this from happening.

 

[Grendel]

If Corbyn does agree a second referendum on the result then it clearly shows him to be a weak puppet at the hand of the membership

It also brings him at odds with the real string puller Mcluskey who wants to end freedom of movement.

Corbyn will cave in. He will have betrayed his electorate. He has already said he will reject any deal the government will bring to the table

So May should be brave and on rejection of the deal that will be agreed by parliament stand the government down.

Corbyn can then run a minority government and the tories and the DUP immediately declare a no confidence vote to bring him down.

This should all happen in March next year

 

[Sick Boy]

If Corbyn does agree a second referendum on the result then it clearly shows him to be a weak puppet at the hand of the membership

It also brings him at odds with the real string puller Mcluskey who wants to end freedom of movement.

Corbyn will cave in. He will have betrayed his electorate. He has already said he will reject any deal the government will bring to the table

So May should be brave and on rejection of the deal that will be agreed by parliament stand the government down.

Corbyn can then run a minority government and the tories and the DUP immediately declare a no confidence vote to bring him down.

This should all happen in March next year

You've just gone from ruling Corbyn ot of calling one before saying it's a possibility. I do agree that he is somewhat forgetting his convictions to hang onto power.

If, as you say, there is hardly any interest in the issue of Brexit and even less wanting to remain, there's nothing to fear if a second vote does come about.

 

[skybluetony176]

What’s funny is the dimwit labour members supporting a hardened socialist

Wouldn’t a second referendum fit in with your “theory” that Corbyn is a centralist? Or is that a different argument so a different “theory” is required to suit? He’s gone from socialist to centralist back to socialist in a few days with your “theories”.

 

[martcov]

If Corbyn does agree a second referendum on the result then it clearly shows him to be a weak puppet at the hand of the membership

It also brings him at odds with the real string puller Mcluskey who wants to end freedom of movement.

Corbyn will cave in. He will have betrayed his electorate. He has already said he will reject any deal the government will bring to the table

So May should be brave and on rejection of the deal that will be agreed by parliament stand the government down.

Corbyn can then run a minority government and the tories and the DUP immediately declare a no confidence vote to bring him down.

This should all happen in March next year

If we haven’t got a deal by December, the government has failed to deliver Brexit. I doubt whether May will make March. The question for McClusky will be which is worse, freedom of movement, or wrecking the single market and thus the economy.

 

[Grendel]

You've just gone from ruling Corbyn ot of calling one before saying it's a possibility. I do agree that he is somewhat forgetting his convictions to hang onto power.

If, as you say, there is hardly any interest in the issue of Brexit and even less wanting to remain, there's nothing to fear if a second vote does come about.

We won’t be having another vote. Mr Corbyn has been on the radio it’s very clear what his game is.

 

[Grendel]

Wouldn’t a second referendum fit in with your “theory” that Corbyn is a centralist? Or is that a different argument so a different “theory” is required to suit?

No Tony. You really are clueless aren’t you?

 

[Grendel]

If we haven’t got a deal by December, the government has failed to deliver Brexit. I doubt whether May will make March. The question for McClusky will be which is worse, freedom of movement, or wrecking the single market and thus the economy.

Socialists believe the Eu wrecks the economy period

 

[martcov]

We won’t be having another vote. Mr Corbyn has been on the radio it’s very clear what his game is.

Conference isn’t over yet. He wants an election. Great, put a second referendum voting form in with the ballot papers. Then we have both at the same time.

 

[skybluetony176]

Still they think they are right on lefties by no doubt cheering the nationalisation proposals

Also I thought you decided that nationalisation wasn’t a left ideology.

 

[skybluetony176]

No Tony. You really are clueless aren’t you?

By that you seem to mean I have one opinion not one for every argument that are all contradictory to each other. You have enough opinions to be right on everything, problem for you is you also have enough to be wrong on everything at the same time. You’re now using a point I made just a couple days ago that you dismissed as inaccurate as fact to back up your argument now.

 

[Grendel]

Also I thought you decided that nationalisation wasn’t a left ideology.

I’m talking Commanding Heights Tony - wiki it

 

[Grendel]

By that you seem to mean I have one opinion not one for every argument that are all contradictory to each other. You have enough opinions to be right on everything, problem for you is you also have enough to be wrong on everything at the same time. You’re now using a point I made just a couple days ago that you dismissed as inaccurate as fact to back up your argument now.

You don’t know how labour policy is decided in conference - wiki it

 

[skybluetony176]

I’m talking Commanding Heights Tony - wiki it

You’re talking bollocks. No wiki needed to understand that.

 

[skybluetony176]

You don’t know how labour policy is decided in conference - wiki it

You should probably do that yourself. As sickboy has pointed out to you already you’re on at least two versions of what and will happen yourself.

 

[martcov]

Socialists believe the Eu wrecks the economy period

Funny the socialists here are pro EU.

 

[martcov]

Socialists believe the Eu wrecks the economy period

Are you getting confused with National Socialists?

 

[Grendel]

Funny the socialists here are pro EU.

They are Blairites

 

[Grendel]

Are you getting confused with National Socialists?

No Mart they occupy Brussels

 

[SIR ERNIE]

YouGov:

„Public support for a second Brexit referendum continues to grow amid fears over possible no deal Brexit. 45% of people support a People's Vote on the final deal, while 34% do not, according to a YouGov poll of over 10,000 people. The UK would vote to stay in the European Union by 53% to 47% if asked again.09.08.2018“

Dominic Raab this morning correctly referred to the fact that the EU has a long history of ignoring democratic votes and successfully plotting to overturn them. That’s EU democracy. He went on to point out the British democracy doesn’t work that way. Very refreshing to hear the EU zealots called out.

It’s clear which version of democracy you subscribe to.

 

[Sick Boy]

Socialists believe the Eu wrecks the economy period

Period?!

 

[Sick Boy]

We won’t be having another vote. Mr Corbyn has been on the radio it’s very clear what his game is.

I reckon within a month he will be singing a different tune.

 

[Grendel]

I reckon within a month he will be singing a different tune.

I accept the creature has few morals but even he surely he isn’t so without any genuine beliefs at all

 

[Sick Boy]

I accept the creature has few morals but even he surely he isn’t so without any genuine beliefs at all

If he refuses to it will alienate all of his younger voters, I know Corbynistas who claim he has always been pro EU and it's all part of his long-term strategy, which is pretty insane.

 

[Grendel]

If he refuses to it will alienate all of his younger voters, I know Corbynistas who claim he has always been pro EU and it's all part of his long-term strategy, which is pretty insane.

Who are the young voters going to switch to? The increasingly absurd Mr Euro? Perhaps Blair and Clegg should form a new party. Then they could worship these two instead.

 

[Astute]

The speculation is that he pushes the Commission aside and dominates it. The next discussion is 25 September about his power. He won’t lose his job though.

Exactly. He will still hold the position that he shouldn't have got.

My faith would be restored in those who run the EU if they got rid of Selmayr and those who put him in the position. But I can't see it happening.

He has already pushed it aside. Didn't you read the part about the emails sent?

 

[Astute]

Yes. It is amazing. The 53% 47% has been so for a few months.

The demand for a final say is growing. That doesn’t mean everyone will vote for remain, but it means people are not saying they want to a hard Brexit ASAP. No feet dragging.. as you claim..

People are not happy with the way Brexit is going. That is a fact.

Nobody is happy with the way Brexit is happening other than those at the top of the EU.

Read again. Close to half want Brexit to carry on as it is. If you say that it means a hard Brexit then you think nearly half want it.

 

[Astute]

No. I am saying that it was a poll of over 1000 labour members. If your theory is right, that everyone wants out ASAP, then you would expect some labour members also to want what you claim. They don’t.

Was it an open poll or was it from a select choice?

86%? Really?

Not even 86% from any main political party want to leave or remain.

 

[Astute]

Foreign minister and top posts in various committees.

Name them then.

 

[Astute]

Ha ha ha. You asked the question like you do know. You didn’t even have a clue who he was until someone else brought up the subject of him. He’s just the latest name you’ve latched onto to personify as your Lex Luther of the EU sat in a big chair pressing evil buttons telling people to go and do evil there, there and there. Your Lex Luther started out as Merkel, you then decided it was Junker and now you’ve moved onto Selmayr.

Wrong again.

It was me who brought up the subject of Selmayr. I said all rules and regulations had been broke to put him in place. You and Mart said they were not. When the point was proven Mart went along the line that it was legal. Of course it was because there wasn't a law against it happening.