The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (235 Viewers)

[martcov]

And call themselves EUKIP.

European United Kingdom Independence Party.

Top late. EUKIP is the ExitUKIP rebel group of disillusioned Kippers.

 

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[martcov]

Legal?

There is no law to be broken. Why would they make laws against themselves?

But there were rules and regulations to be broke. They did a good job of that.

Take that up with the first enquiry and with the ombudsman ( actually an Irish woman ). I suspect she knows more than you or I. She gave a damning report, but the appointment stands.

 

[Grendel]

Just of the top of my head since the last election you have the government striking a deal with a climate change denying, links to terrorism, cash for ash scandal, anti peace process mob called the DUP who don’t even have the ability to govern their own part of the U.K. because of the already mentioned cash for ash scandal. Then you have the means to this deal, by finding the magic money tree they just spent weeks telling us it doesn’t exist. Right up until the point they needed to save their own political necks. Then you have the government trying to bypass the democracy of our sovereign parliament save for a very embarrassing JR and climb down. Then you have the pairing scandal, another attempt to thwart democracy. Just very recently there was the deliberate act of ensuring that a government white paper wasn’t distributed to the opposition parties in a deliberate attempt to thwart commons debate over a government brexit announcement. I could go on and on and all examples would be equally as bad to anything that’s happened in the EU and you know it. You’re just trying to be a smart arse.

So when you come across these apparent shameful acts Tony what do you do? Perhaps defeat the party in power.

Sadly in the shady world of the Brussels capitalist cosy club that democratic ability does not exist does it Tony?

Shameful isn’t it?

 

[Sick Boy]

You never answered my question who the disaffected youth would turn to if Corbyn remained true to his word

I have no idea, I expect in the long-run we would see a new party formed.

 

[skybluetony176]

So when you come across these apparent shameful acts Tony what do you do? Perhaps defeat the party in power.

Sadly in the shady world of the Brussels capitalist cosy club that democratic ability does not exist does it Tony?

Shameful isn’t it?

Well, according to you the opposition is worse than the party in power. So what do you do now?

 

[martcov]

So when you come across these apparent shameful acts Tony what do you do? Perhaps defeat the party in power.

Sadly in the shady world of the Brussels capitalist cosy club that democratic ability does not exist does it Tony?

Shameful isn’t it?

A bit like most civil servants. At least you could get rid of the MEPs. But, you would have to go and vote in the European elections. I always do.

 

[Grendel]

A bit like most civil servants. At least you could get rid of the MEPs. But, you would have to go and vote in the European elections. I always do.

So we can get rid of MEPs in the UK and they can definitely change things i don’t like. That’s odd. I thought you said we have to to as Lithuania and Ireland tell us to do

 

[clint van damme]

Makes me laugh the way the likes of martclegg claim their reason for opposing Brexit is to protect the UK economy, whilst at the same time supporting a Corbyn/McDonnell far left economy wrecking government, likely propped up by SNP.

so you're happy with the current running of the economy which has seen increased borrowing, increased spending and a reduction in tax receipts?

 

[martcov]

So we can get rid of MEPs in the UK and they can definitely change things i don’t like. That’s odd. I thought you said we have to to as Lithuania and Ireland tell us to do

What are you on about? If people can’t be bothered to vote, nothing will happen. If the group which includes Juncker loses votes, which could happen, then the people have made a point. As regards Ireland, yes we are having to accommodate the GFA in any deal. So you are right there.

 

[martcov]

So we can get rid of MEPs in the UK and they can definitely change things i don’t like. That’s odd. I thought you said we have to to as Lithuania and Ireland tell us to do

And... many UK votes were wasted on UKIP MEPs who were a waste of time. Gravy trainers with no ambition to improve the EU.

 

[Captain Dart]

Are you now denying that Juncker brought in tax dodges that has cost the UK many billions?

And not just the UK.

 

[Captain Dart]

So we can get rid of MEPs in the UK and they can definitely change things i don’t like. That’s odd. I thought you said we have to to as Lithuania and Ireland tell us to do

MEP's are only marginally more powerful than the house of lords.. they just scrutinise, amend or reject legislation, they don't make it that is done by the unelected European Commission, political appointees, like Kinnock & Patten & Mandleson.

Do you know who the current UK commissioners are? I've never heard of them.
List of European Commissioners by nationality - Wikipedia

 

[martcov]

MEP's are only marginally more powerful than the house of lords.. they just scrutinise, amend or reject legislation, they don't make it that is done by the unelected European Commission, political appointees, like Kinnock & Patten & Mandleson.

Do you know who the current UK commissioners are? I've never heard of them.
List of European Commissioners by nationality - Wikipedia

They amend, reject or pass laws. A bit like most MPs. The Commission produces the laws to be presented to the Parliament according to the policies put forward by the Council of 28 countries.

 

[SkyblueBazza]

If Corbyn does agree a second referendum on the result then it clearly shows him to be a weak puppet at the hand of the membership

It also brings him at odds with the real string puller Mcluskey who wants to end freedom of movement.

Corbyn will cave in. He will have betrayed his electorate. He has already said he will reject any deal the government will bring to the table

So May should be brave and on rejection of the deal that will be agreed by parliament stand the government down.

Corbyn can then run a minority government and the tories and the DUP immediately declare a no confidence vote to bring him down.

This should all happen in March next year

That is the biggest problem with many Labour leaders in opposition. It is all about saying any old crap to be able to gain power. Not due to sensible policy, but - here comes that word - populism!!! All just to 'get rid of the Tories'

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[skybluetony176]

That is the biggest problem with many Labour leaders in opposition. It is all about saying any old crap to be able to gain power. Not due to sensible policy, but - here comes that word - populism!!! All just to 'get rid of the Tories'

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It’s a trait of politics and politicians full stop. Look at the last election. May spent most of her election campaign repeating two catch phrases. There is no magic money tree and out means out. Within a week she found the magic money tree to pay off the DUP so she could stay in power and then proves with the chequers plan that out doesn’t mean out.

 

[Astute]

You've not answered my question about the 80 odd percent and have just claimed a couple of things I've never said or believed.

Ah so you never mentioned the 86% Labour vote?

And where are any replies to comments made to what you have said? You just make some kind of remark that has nothing to do with the subject. Shows how far out your comments on here are.

 

[Astute]

Then you have the means to this deal, by finding the magic money tree they just spent weeks telling us it doesn’t exist.

Magic money tree?

Is this the same magic money tree that you say would pay for the million plus homes needed, hospitals, schools, roads, doctors and everything else that is needed for our booming population?

Either the magic money tree exists or it doesn't.

 

[Astute]

Yes. That is reading things into it. Hasn’t happened yet. The commissioner is looking into the effects on 25 September. He may get roped in.

The only thing that hasn't happened is something done about rules and regulations being broken in the EU.

Can you imagine the uproar by yourself and others if the same had happened here?

There is no rule that says he must keep his position. It was Juncker that said he would resign if Selmayr was removed. Should have made him resign as he was the one that organised it with Selmayr. Then he wouldn't be able to stop the EU looking into his tax dodges like he does now.

 

[Astute]

Take that up with the first enquiry and with the ombudsman ( actually an Irish woman ). I suspect she knows more than you or I. She gave a damning report, but the appointment stands.

Yes I agree. Gave a damning report but nothing has or will be done.

Selmayr is more powerful than the EU Commission ombudsman already. He is untouchable. They are now toothless. So Selmayr has the freedom to do as he pleases.

And remember he is delighted to be called names like monster. Then you wonder why I want us out of the EU.

 

[Astute]

Well, according to you the opposition is worse than the party in power. So what do you do now?

UKIP?

 

[Astute]

so you're happy with the current running of the economy which has seen increased borrowing, increased spending and a reduction in tax receipts?

Would be best if you checked your facts before making statements.

UK government borrowing at 11-year low

 

[martcov]

Yes I agree. Gave a damning report but nothing has or will be done.

Selmayr is more powerful than the EU Commission ombudsman already. He is untouchable. They are now toothless. So Selmayr has the freedom to do as he pleases.

And remember he is delighted to be called names like monster. Then you wonder why I want us out of the EU.

I wouldn’t leave the single market because of Selmayr. What effect has Selmayr had on anything? Has he caused comparable damage to the UK manufacturing industry as leaving the SM will?

 

[martcov]

UKIP?

The party advocating Muslim only prisons?

 

[martcov]

The only thing that hasn't happened is something done about rules and regulations being broken in the EU.

Can you imagine the uproar by yourself and others if the same had happened here?

There is no rule that says he must keep his position. It was Juncker that said he would resign if Selmayr was removed. Should have made him resign as he was the one that organised it with Selmayr. Then he wouldn't be able to stop the EU looking into his tax dodges like he does now.

They would also have looked at the legal aspect of an „unfair dismissal“ claim. Juncker is gone end of 2019.

 

[clint van damme]

Would be best if you checked your facts before making statements.

UK government borrowing at 11-year low

That's April to June.

 

[martcov]

The only thing that hasn't happened is something done about rules and regulations being broken in the EU.

Can you imagine the uproar by yourself and others if the same had happened here?

There is no rule that says he must keep his position. It was Juncker that said he would resign if Selmayr was removed. Should have made him resign as he was the one that organised it with Selmayr. Then he wouldn't be able to stop the EU looking into his tax dodges like he does now.

If you took his top job off him, and 2 enquiries have said that his appointment pushed the law to the limit, but didn’t break it, then he may have a claim of unfair dismissal. He is a member of the most powerful group through his CDU membership.

There would also be uproar. Has he personally committed a crime? Your links contain speculation that he granted favours, but is there proof?

The meeting on 25 is with the people responsible for staffing. Maybe someone can come up with concrete evidence.

 

[martcov]

MEP's are only marginally more powerful than the house of lords.. they just scrutinise, amend or reject legislation, they don't make it that is done by the unelected European Commission, political appointees, like Kinnock & Patten & Mandleson.

Do you know who the current UK commissioners are? I've never heard of them.
List of European Commissioners by nationality - Wikipedia

Interesting that a former labour MP held Juncker’s job in the past. Some claim that UK people never get top EU jobs.

 

[Astute]

I wouldn’t leave the single market because of Selmayr. What effect has Selmayr had on anything? Has he caused comparable damage to the UK manufacturing industry as leaving the SM will?

As you know he has been pulling the strings for a few years now. It is said (no proof) that he nominated Barnier as chief negotiator. He is proud of the names he gets called....the names you went off on one about until you found out he is proud of them. Brexit is being shaped by him. And what about the future of the EU with him in charge? It won't worry you as he is German. But I don't see a future of harmony ahead.

Leaving the SM will? Why state a guess as a true fact?

 

[Astute]

The party advocating Muslim only prisons?

Name one then?

Shall we all vote for the Monster Raving Looney Party?

 

[Astute]

They would also have looked at the legal aspect of an „unfair dismissal“ claim. Juncker is gone end of 2019.

Unfair dismissal? Are you having a laugh? Rules and regulations were broke. He shouldn't have got the job. How could it be unfair dismissal when it was unfair (that is being polite) that he got the job. Even you admit so.

 

[martcov]

And not just the UK.

Blame Juncker. But he is not the current problem, he helped create it by having Luxemburg undercut other states‘ taxation. The EU is trying to do something about it with new laws coming out in March.

Someone monitoring anti EU press reporting in the UK recorded a massive anti EU spike immediately after the announcement of new tax laws. Most of the UK press is owned by billionaire, non residents. A big coincidence.

 

[martcov]

Unfair dismissal? Are you having a laugh? Rules and regulations were broke. He shouldn't have got the job. How could it be unfair dismissal when it was unfair (that is being polite) that he got the job. Even you admit so.

They have had 2 investigations. Both have confirmed his appointment. How can you make a case against unfair dismissal? His lawyers would be laughing all the way to the bank. It stinks, but up until now, no one has presented a watertight case to remove him.

 

[martcov]

Name one then?

Shall we all vote for the Monster Raving Looney Party?

Gerard Batten UKIP. Stick to UKIP if you are for segregation in prisons.

 

[Astute]

That's April to June.

And there is Mart jumping in as soon as he thinks someone is right and I am wrong for once.

No. That is all year. You are taking numbers from one month. And even after that one month it is still the lowest for 11 years.

And a big reason it has gone up this month? State pensions have risen 3%. So it goes on the latest months numbers.

But yeah let's make some sort of point that I don't understand the point you are trying to make.

 

[Astute]

They have had 2 investigations. Both have confirmed his appointment. How can you make a case against unfair dismissal? His lawyers would be laughing all the way to the bank. It stinks, but up until now, no one has presented a watertight case to remove him.

Both have confirmed that the appointment shouldn't have taken place. And again you agree on this.

So do you say that the EU commission ombudsman has no teeth, Selmayr is in charge.....or both.