skybluetony176
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Not even what I said. A typical response from you when you can’t argue the point so you attack the man. Even if you have to make things up to do it.
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Not even what I said. A typical response from you when you can’t argue the point so you attack the man. Even if you have to make things up to do it.
skybluetony176
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Toyota invented it in the 70’s for the purpose of cash flow. Even in its earliest incarnations it doesn’t predate what we now call the EU.
Grendel
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skybluetony176
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Like I said. I’m involved in purchasing and aside from 10 years of my working life when I worked on building sites I always have been. In manufacturing and wholesaling. Because of that I’ve been on numerous courses for purchasing over the years and by and large they’re all based on Toyota philosophy and even the ones that wasn’t tend to cover JIT at some point. It’s called life experience. No need for Wikipedia although you clearly need it to check what I’m saying. I guess that makes you Wiki man. Wiki man.
No it didn’t. International trade and JIT have grown immensely since the SM and CU came in.
Or, why bother. Just relocate to somewhere like e.g. Slovakia in the EU.
skybluetony176
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Seriously hoping that this one is a joke.
Grendel
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In the end this is a political game.
The anti EU leader of the Labour Party needs to be held to account for his duplicity
May needs to join the game and either propose a Norway solution or a Canada solution to parliament as a measure for now. The notion of Corbyn rejecting in particular the Norway solution (which he would as he’s fundamentally opposed to freedom of movement due to socialist ideology) would look absurd. Then she could call an election and Corbyn would be a busted flush.
It won’t happen but it should.
The anti EU leader of the Labour Party needs to be held to account for his duplicity
May needs to join the game and either propose a Norway solution or a Canada solution to parliament as a measure for now. The notion of Corbyn rejecting in particular the Norway solution (which he would as he’s fundamentally opposed to freedom of movement due to socialist ideology) would look absurd. Then she could call an election and Corbyn would be a busted flush.
It won’t happen but it should.
clint van damme
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the EU will only except the Canada option if there is no border in Ireland so not going to happen as it would have to be on the mainland, DUP would never have it.
It doesn't cover services either so I'm not sure how they'd deal with that sector.
Grendel
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Then the British people can decide if they want to live in the Eu iron curtain or not
SkyblueBazza
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It adds no time to production...like I said, scheduling times have to be adjusted. In complex manufacturing that will take a little time to fathom & sort...but it will settle down within months.
You are merely fretful, and dramatic...& again revelling in what you perceive as a major f**k-up from a Brexit perspective.
However, if it is a bad scenario for our importers...some entrepenuer will seize the opportunity to make a positive outcome from it. Who knows - producing said items within our own shores for example?
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SkyblueBazza
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What is ypur point? I don't do Yahoo & oath & all that
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SkyblueBazza
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That is what scheduling & lead times are for. Have you ever actually planned anything that requires timelines to be met? Overall the time to bring an item will be longer...that doesn't necessarily make it cost much more...all aspects of timelines will be reviewed...suppliers know any significant price increases leave them vulnerable to competition
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SkyblueBazza
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Can you try to explain it to Tony? He's struggling. He thinks the end of the world is nigh.
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SkyblueBazza
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Nobody said it was a benefit.
Tony thinks the world will end as a result...people are just trying to explain what you have said. Perhaps he will like your explanation better & give it a 'Like'?
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SkyblueBazza
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Does that mean we will be hearing from you less for a while?
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chiefdave
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It has to be, nobody can have such a lack of self awareness.
SkyblueBazza
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No it didn't. I worked for a company that employed it in the mid '80s. Not that that matters. Japan developed it & they aren't in the EU...you don't have to be in the EU to operate JIT
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SkyblueBazza
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Lol...and a bad haircut!
A 12 year old with a fucking monocle.
Maybe it was for a fancy-dress party? Or maybe his parents had weird dress tastes for their children...you know like some dress their daughters like 25yr-olds out on the town on a Saturday night, others dress their sons like chavs. Each to their own, eh?
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Or within the EU for example.....
No. It was for a TV interview I think..
Did the Japanese rely on imports from outside of Japan? Did your company rely on foreign imports To be JIT?
If transport takes longer, who pays the hauliers for the extra journey time?
Down to EUSSR now?
What about Carnets? For exhibitions and samples?
Astute
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Look on the bright side.
Jobs will come back to the UK if the EU continues as they are. The company I work for imports a product from Spain that it used to get from the UK. It is only a small contract for us. Only worth about 20k a week. But to the company we buy from it is massive. Add a 5% tariff and it is the same price we can get it from in the UK. And it will then be from a reliable source without the lead time. Yes times are built in to the difference of ordering to delivery.
Then you have UK businesses that have plants in the EU. Then they bring the finished product back to the UK. Make this difficult and add tariffs and these jobs will come back once the cheap labour becomes more expensive through associated costs.
I am sure that once the EU knows their plan to make us stay in has failed that common sense will prevail. It is you that doubts their common sense.
There is a fine line between punishing us for leaving and having massive job losses throughout the EU to pay for punishing us.
clint van damme
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you can't hide the fact you are burying your head in the sand by making flippant remarks about likes. I certainly don't rule out the possibility that it may not be as bad as I think it will be, (though I can't see any evidence to prove me wrong at the moment).
As bad as I think this whole thing has the potential to be even I wouldn't have predicted 3 years worth of disruption but that is what this fella is predicting. Though I'm sure you subscribe to the Michael Gove 'we've had enough of experts' train of thought.
Shipping chief predicts three years of no-deal Brexit chaos
And we're talking here about customs, look at how unprepared we are in general:
The UK still isn’t ready for a no deal Brexit
We have full employment in the UK. If in your scenario we will create even more jobs, who is going to fill the vacancies? You claim we have no houses and our roads are full and falling apart, who is going to build houses and repair our infrastructure? Without free movement of people, which you say „is just wrong“, we will have a crisis of not enough labour. Plus we will need to invest in more staff, civil servants, to replicate EU bureaucracy and to control our borders. Whatever happens we are creating costs and extra bureaucracy. Not in the spirit of the wider JIT philosophy.
So, are you suggesting that Brexit will increase the costs of production by 5%? Decreased competition of suppliers, increased freight costs because of lost time on journeys through customs checks, tariffs, more bureaucracy, labour shortages and maybe lack of UK alternative suppliers at least in the short term .... are these benefits of Brexit that we can look forward to?
Why do you think Thatcher pushed the single market and CU? Do you think that it had no effect on the overall efficiency of UK manufacturing? We just wanted it for fun? Business is just being petty about constantly mentioning the effects of a no deal in the short term? That because some firms will take a hit in the EU, it is all worthwhile?
Bazza says it will be no Problem because it worked in a company where he worked in the 80s. Just increase the journey time and factor that in. Easy peasy. Pity he is not in charge of a major manufacturer. There would be no worries.
Sick Boy
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Jeremy Hunt has made the comparison now as well and said that a bad Brexit deal will stir the British people's 'Dunkirk spirit'.
It's all just jingoistic nonsense.
No. Another Brexit benefit. The country uniting together in adversity. Plucky Brits fighting back, by retreating.
skybluetony176
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It adds time to production if it’s stuck at port.
Presumably some EU entrepreneurs will also seize the moment and start manufacturing some of the stuff we export to the EU for JIT manufacturing. The door swings both ways.