The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (133 Viewers)

[martcov]

Have you had some binbrexit stickers made Mart ?!

Not yet.

 

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[martcov]

Maybe the British elite are convinced that the unstoppable path the EU appears to be taking is toward some sort of modern-German Empire...& it doesn't wish to be a part of it!?

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Straight out of Farage‘s mouth.

 

[martcov]

I honestly wouldn't start on this.

My job is literally consulting supply chain managers of large companies across Europe.

You wouldn't believe the amount of money my clients save from importing their stock from the far east. It's roughly one third cheaper, which is a huge cost saving.

Interesting. How does that work with JIT? And how will Brexit affect that?

 

[clint van damme]

Tbh...I don't feel any need to contradict you. I have my own opinion based on my own logic, knowledge & experience (which counts for nothing to anyone else really) - I DO concur with Gove on the 'experts' thing. Up until a month ago the experts were telling us that 1/2 an aspirin a day helps prevent stroke...last month other experts have told us there is now no evidence to demonstrate that being true.

And I am not ignoring any of it...but whether I agree or not is a different matter.

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really? As someone who had somebody close to them suffer a stroke I never heard that and as a stroke can be caused by a clot or a bleed which then require two separate types of treatment I think you're wrong.

 

[clint van damme]

I honestly wouldn't start on this.

My job is literally consulting supply chain managers of large companies across Europe.

You wouldn't believe the amount of money my clients save from importing their stock from the far east. It's roughly one third cheaper, which is a huge cost saving.

but the current JIT supply chains would need totally realigning if the majority of parts were coming from the far east. Like I said, everything we use from the far East needs a larger stock holding than EU parts and these are kept in a bonded warehouse.
And we also only have access to trade deals with the ASEAN countries due to our EU membership. We won't have that access if we leave with no deal.

 

[Astute]

You said they would be 5% more expensive and your firm would buy local.

OK Einstein.

I said we buy from Spain because they are 5% cheaper than in the UK.

If tariffs are charged do they become cheaper, stay the same price...........or in the real world and not Marts world maybe become more expensive?

 

[Astute]

Here’s some other stories that have probably passed you by Astute.

EU car manufacturers already in talks about rejecting British-made parts because of Brexit, industry leader reveals

Brexit triggers a great car parts race for UK auto industry | Financial Times

A Mini part's incredible journey shows how Brexit will hit the UK car industry

The UK’s industrial supply chains are dependent on European manufacturers

Brexit edges UK companies out of EU supply chain | Reuters

So we should stay in the EU because they are trying to force us to stay in?

 

[Astute]

In other words you don’t know. Here’s a couple of big ones of the top of my head. The workers at the Airbus wing factory in Wales, the workers at the Mini crankshaft factory in Warwickshire. All part of a JIT manufacturing process. The Mini crankshaft is a good example of the single market, cast in France, shipped to Warwickshire for milling and drilling, shipped to Germany to be fitted in an engine and then shipped to Oxford to be fitted into a car. If the car is then sold in the EU that crankshaft will in effect have been through customs four times, four tariffs and four delays that even at the optimistic 10 minutes equates to 40 minutes. Time is money and all that.

4 tariffs? How did you work that one out?

 

[Astute]

If people leave poorly paid employment for better jobs ( if they are capable), then who replaces them? We have full employment.

Are you saying that we don't have anyone unemployed that is looking for work?

The German unemployment rate is lower than ours. How can that be when we have full employment?

 

[skybluetony176]

So we should stay in the EU because they are trying to force us to stay in?

No. We shouldn’t bite our noses of to spite our face with a no deal brexit.

 

[skybluetony176]

4 tariffs? How did you work that one out?

I just told you. Try reading again. Or just try reading. If you prefer you could read one of the articles I linked for you, it explains it all in detail in one of them. I knew you wouldn’t bother reading them and just come back with some moronic response that completely missed the point. The fact that you feel the need to ask this question just confirms that.

 

[Astute]

No. We shouldn’t bite our noses of to spite our face with a no deal brexit.

So what do you mean?

We want a deal. It is the EU that has taken this direction. It is the EU that that is happy to bite their nose off to spite their face.

 

[skybluetony176]

So what do you mean?

We want a deal. It is the EU that has taken this direction. It is the EU that that is happy to bite their nose off to spite their face.

Yes of course it is. It’s the EU who voted for us to leave as well. The EU aren’t going to dismantle the principles of the single market just for us and never were. If people voted leave on the basis of expecting them to do so like you seem to then they really did waste their vote.

 

[Sick Boy]

So what do you mean?

We want a deal. It is the EU that has taken this direction. It is the EU that that is happy to bite their nose off to spite their face.

You really have been taken in by the Tories, May's Chequers plan and certain sections of the media, haven't you.

 

[SkyblueBazza]

really? As someone who had somebody close to them suffer a stroke I never heard that and as a stroke can be caused by a clot or a bleed which then require two separate types of treatment I think you're wrong.

Aspirin: low dose to prevent heart attacks and stroke - NHS.UK

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[Astute]

I just told you. Try reading again. Or just try reading. If you prefer you could read one of the articles I linked for you, it explains it all in detail in one of them. I knew you wouldn’t bother reading them and just come back with some moronic response that completely missed the point. The fact that you feel the need to ask this question just confirms that.

If you didn't search the net for the most anti Brexit articles all the time or twist anything that was anti EU it would be worth reading the countless links.

Not bad from someone who says those who voted leave are clueless when you voted UKIP.

 

[martcov]

OK Einstein.

I said we buy from Spain because they are 5% cheaper than in the UK.

If tariffs are charged do they become cheaper, stay the same price...........or in the real world and not Marts world maybe become more expensive?

Which is what I agreed. Imported parts become more expensive. They are then the same price as local so you buy local at more than previously. According to you. So what haven’t I understood.

 

[SkyblueBazza]

Are you saying that we don't have anyone unemployed that is looking for work?

The German unemployment rate is lower than ours. How can that be when we have full employment?

We have about 1million unemployed

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[martcov]

If you didn't search the net for the most anti Brexit articles all the time or twist anything that was anti EU it would be worth reading the countless links.

Not bad from someone who says those who voted leave are clueless when you voted UKIP.

You scout the net and post anything remotely anti EU. Mainly Selmayr, Juncker or fish stories, but not Brexit benefit stories. Funnily enough.

 

[Astute]

You really have been taken in by the Tories, May's Chequers plan and certain sections of the media, haven't you.

Would you like to explain?

Are you stating as a fact that the EU couldn't do a deal that would benefit both sides if they wanted to?

Of course you are not.

This has nothing to do with any plan or any Tory. And you know it.

 

[Captain Dart]

We have about 1million unemployed

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1.4M, ONS has stats on loads of stuff.
UK labour market - Office for National Statistics

German unemployment runs about 3,.4%, UK currently 4.0%

 

[Astute]

We have about 1million unemployed

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We also have some area of high unemployment where people struggle to get work. I would love him to tell them that we have full employment.

 

[Sick Boy]

Would you like to explain?

Are you stating as a fact that the EU couldn't do a deal that would benefit both sides if they wanted to?

Of course you are not.

This has nothing to do with any plan or any Tory. And you know it.

May's Chequers plan is not going to work and she has been told that multiple times, yet she still persists with it. She is going to be the one making concessions to get a deal.

 

[Astute]

You scout the net and post anything remotely anti EU. Mainly Selmayr, Juncker or fish stories, but not Brexit benefit stories. Funnily enough.

Ah. So I am supposed to only say about pro EU stuff like yourself.

 

[martcov]

Are you saying that we don't have anyone unemployed that is looking for work?

The German unemployment rate is lower than ours. How can that be when we have full employment?

It isn’t.

And „brim full employment“ doesn’t mean no unemployed. There are always people between jobs, just left school or Uni and those that cannot be arsed, or those that are not mobile because of family or other reasons.

 

[Astute]

May's Chequers plan is not going to work and she has been told that multiple times, yet she still persists with it. She is going to be the one making concessions to get a deal.

Would you like to point out where I have said anything good about it?

Of course you won't. Because I haven't. But as usual you insinuate crap.

 

[martcov]

Ah. So I am supposed to only say about pro EU stuff like yourself.

Read what I posted. It would be better if you changed the subject from individuals and told us something positive about the Brexit negotiations or how the UK will be better off.

 

[martcov]

We have about 1million unemployed

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Counted as full employment.

 

[Sick Boy]

Ah. So I am supposed to only say about pro EU stuff like yourself.

That's one way to twist. You only ever post an anti EU stuff, so can't really lecture on that one.

 

[Sick Boy]

Would you like to point out where I have said anything good about it?

Of course you won't. Because I haven't. But as usual you insinuate crap.

You were just saying that the EU is the one side that doesn't want a deal, yet if anything it's the British still insisting on a plan that has already been rejected.

 

[martcov]

So we should stay in the EU because they are trying to force us to stay in?

No. We should stay in the EU because leaving will not bring us more benefits than we have by remaining.

 

[Astute]

It isn’t.

And „brim full employment“ doesn’t mean no unemployed. There are always people between jobs, just left school or Uni and those that cannot be arsed, or those that are not mobile because of family or other reasons.

Those under 18 are not counted anymore. They either have to have a job or continue in education. And many others don't count that would love to work. It is what is known as massaging the figures.

Just like if either the wife or I wasn't working. Neither would be counted as unemployed as the other earns enough for us not to be counted as we would still earn too much to be on benefits.

 

[Astute]

You were just saying that the EU is the one side that doesn't want a deal, yet if anything it's the British still insisting on a plan that has already been rejected.

Would you like to explain why they always say it is unacceptable but refuse to negotiate?

 

[Sick Boy]

Would you like to explain why they always say it is unacceptable but refuse to negotiate?

Are you on the wind up again?

 

[martcov]

Those under 18 are not counted anymore. They either have to have a job or continue in education. And many others don't count that would love to work. It is what is known as massaging the figures.

Just like if either the wife or I wasn't working. Neither would be counted as unemployed as the other earns enough for us not to be counted as we would still earn too much to be on benefits.

Germany 2018 5,3%

Arbeitslosenquote - Arbeitslosigkeit in Deutschland bis 2018 | Statista