The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (205 Viewers)

[Astute]

You suggested that Germany should consider writing off Italian debt, so why should it be different for Italy's debt to other countries, like the UK?
I'm not sure what holidaymakers have to do with anything? Italy is one of the most popular tourist destinations in the world with UK citizens making up 6% of visitors. How would the UK fare with tourists not coming to it from the EU? Weird you have never touched up on this.

What non-negotiating face? Negotiations have been ongoing recently.

So where did I suggest they should?

I said one of the two main ways of Italy getting out of the financial mess they are in would be having debts written off. The other way is defaulting on its debt. Why didn't you try to have a go at me for suggesting that Italy should default on their debt? Because it was under the same context as having debts written off.

Or do you know of another way that Italy can get out of the situation of having to find what looks to be in excess of 50 billion a year just to cover the interest of the 2.1 trillion it owes? Because the EU is trying to tell them they can't lend more. But they need to lend more to pay the interest payments.

And on tourism. It isn't me saying that people won't want to go. It is all down to the restrictions that the EU threatens us with. Or did you forget that part?

 

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[martcov]

Martcov............ I Can't be bothered to drag up all your posts highlighting my point but I think you are so against Brexit because you are associating it too much with some of the right wing politicians who have backed it. You seem to see Nazi's in all the shadows, you have spoken so much about issues with German right wing media and parties and in other countries. You are a bit obsessed and see it as a victory for these types when in essence it was a victory for democracy in many ways. Both the Remain and Leave campaigns were quite insulting and threatening to the British public but at the end of the day, it was offered to the people and the people made their choice. There will be good and bad consequences to come out of all this for the UK I'm sure and our trading partners if they don't seek to find a way to smooth the transition. The UK is a multi ethnic, multi faith, multi coloured community. Probably one of the most accepting, welcoming, generous and forgiving people too and none of that will change because we are not in the Euro club anymore.

Another example of the uneducated right wing Tories insulting foreigners. And as the article says, it was national conservatives who enabled Hitler through a coalition. The Nazis never had a democratic majority. What concerns me is that we have national conservatives in the UK Tory party and Farage comes into that category. As near as you can get without being a Nazi.

Tory leader in European Parliament makes Nazi jibe at German MEP

 

[Grendel]

Another example of the uneducated right wing Tories insulting foreigners. And as the article says, it was national conservatives who enabled Hitler through a coalition. The Nazis never had a democratic majority. What concerns me is that we have national conservatives in the UK Tory party and Farage comes into that category. As near as you can get without being a Nazi.

Tory leader in European Parliament makes Nazi jibe at German MEP

National conservatives what a load of bollocks.

 

[martcov]

National conservatives what a load of bollocks.

What do you class right wing conservatives talking about the UK going it alone as? All the talk of 1066, Dunkirk spirit, how we stood alone and such, coupled with constant insults and comparisons of foreigners with Nazis and Communists certainly suggests a strong National Conservative belief system. Would you suggest that they are something other than National Conservatives? If so, how would you class these embarrassing clowns?

 

[Grendel]

What do you class right wing conservatives talking about the UK going it alone as? All the talk of 1066, Dunkirk spirit, how we stood alone and such, coupled with constant insults and comparisons of foreigners with Nazis and Communists certainly suggests a strong National Conservative belief system. Would you suggest that they are something other than National Conservatives? If so, how would you class these embarrassing clowns?

There is hardly any of these comments reality is there? Dunkirk spirit hardly makes someone a national conservative. It’s an expression for resiliance. 1066 is really proving someone sits there alongside Adolf

If your communist comment refers to Jeremy Hunt that’s a laugh. He’s far more of a liberal than you.

How’s Herr Oettinger doing in the EU these days? Shall we explore some of his views?

 

[martcov]

There is hardly any of these comments reality is there? Dunkirk spirit hardly makes someone a national conservative. It’s an expression for resiliance. 1066 is really proving someone sits there alongside Adolf

If your communist comment refers to Jeremy Hunt that’s a laugh. He’s far more of a liberal than you.

How’s Herr Oettinger doing in the EU these days? Shall we explore some of his views?

No, let’s stick to the clowns embarrassing the UK.

 

[Grendel]

No, let’s stick to the clowns embarrassing the UK.

Well they only seem to exist in your head as you can’t name any

 

[SIR ERNIE]

Another example of the uneducated right wing Tories insulting foreigners. And as the article says, it was national conservatives who enabled Hitler through a coalition. The Nazis never had a democratic majority. What concerns me is that we have national conservatives in the UK Tory party and Farage comes into that category. As near as you can get without being a Nazi.

Blimey mart, I really think you need to take a few days away from this forum. Seriously.

 

[Grendel]

Blimey mart, I really think you need to take a few days away from this forum. Seriously.

I agree - we should leave him be. He has issues that are beyond this subject. That is clear.

 

[Sick Boy]

So where did I suggest they should?

I said one of the two main ways of Italy getting out of the financial mess they are in would be having debts written off. The other way is defaulting on its debt. Why didn't you try to have a go at me for suggesting that Italy should default on their debt? Because it was under the same context as having debts written off.

Or do you know of another way that Italy can get out of the situation of having to find what looks to be in excess of 50 billion a year just to cover the interest of the 2.1 trillion it owes? Because the EU is trying to tell them they can't lend more. But they need to lend more to pay the interest payments.

And on tourism. It isn't me saying that people won't want to go. It is all down to the restrictions that the EU threatens us with. Or did you forget that part?

Any restrictions would be reciprocal and plenty of tourists from the EU visit the UK.

 

[martcov]

I agree - we should leave him be. He has issues that are beyond this subject. That is clear.

Any restrictions would be reciprocal and plenty of tourists from the EU visit the UK.

Trump has just said he is a Nationalist. He is very popular with the right here.

 

[martcov]

I agree - we should leave him be. He has issues that are beyond this subject. That is clear.

Brexit has split the country. The rhetoric is getting worse. Yes, it concerns me and should concern everyone. Perhaps the rhetoric now used by British Tory politicians is fine by you. It sounds like your posts on here actually.

 

[martcov]

Well they only seem to exist in your head as you can’t name any

I just posted a link.

 

[Grendel]

I just posted a link.

That’s lovely - where is it?

 

[martcov]

That’s lovely - where is it?

Tory leader in European Parliament makes Nazi jibe at German MEP

 

[Astute]

Any restrictions would be reciprocal and plenty of tourists from the EU visit the UK.

Have I said anything different?

You seem to be trying to pick faults with what I have said when there are not any.

What happens if flights get grounded? Some people like taking their dogs with them. They say they might be in quarantine for the duration of their holiday. We might be limited to how long we stay. So no long touring holidays.

There is 3 for starters.

 

[Astute]

Do you disagree with any of this SB?

The trouble brewing between the EU and Italy could hit your finances | This is Money

 

[Grendel]

Tory leader in European Parliament makes Nazi jibe at German MEP

So when you said conservatives in plural you meant one.

So if I show you two xenophobic comments by 2 senior pro Eu politicians do you accept that the Eu is more racist?

Yes or no?

 

[skybluetony176]

So when you said conservatives in plural you meant one.

So if I show you two xenophobic comments by 2 senior pro Eu politicians do you accept that the Eu is more racist?

Yes or no?

Boris calling black people piccaninnies (which is racial slur in itself) with watermelon smiles was a good one. Or how about the go home vans and rhetoric as a whole from the government over windrush. Just of the top of my head.

 

[Sick Boy]

Have I said anything different?

You seem to be trying to pick faults with what I have said when there are not any.

What happens if flights get grounded? Some people like taking their dogs with them. They say they might be in quarantine for the duration of their holiday. We might be limited to how long we stay. So no long touring holidays.

There is 3 for starters.

Flights won't get grounded; dogs not bring able to go freely to the EU and being limited to how long you can spend in each others countries should hardly be a surprise.

 

[Sick Boy]

Do you disagree with any of this SB?

The trouble brewing between the EU and Italy could hit your finances | This is Money

It's another long line of predictions that haven't come to fruition. The EU and the coalition will eventually compromise. The 5Star's record when in power is not good and there's a lot of worried people over there about the impact they'll have on the country long-term.

 

[Grendel]

Boris calling black people piccaninnies (which is racial slur in itself) with watermelon smiles was a good one. Or how about the go home vans and rhetoric as a whole from the government over windrush. Just of the top of my head.

Ok monkey boy

 

[Grendel]

It's another long line of predictions that haven't come to fruition. The EU and the coalition will eventually compromise. The 5Star's record when in power is not good and there's a lot of worried people over there about the impact they'll have on the country long-term.

Compromise = do as Brussels tells you

 

[skybluetony176]

Ok monkey boy

How about “nigger in the woodpile” by Anne Marie Morris?

Didn’t Lord Dixon-Smith use the N word also while he was a front bencher?

Haven’t they also had a couple of candidates in elections lately who’s histories are littered with racial slurs?

 

[Grendel]

How about “nigger in the woodpile” by Anne Marie Morris?

Didn’t Lord Dixon-Smith use the N word also while he was a front bencher?

Haven’t they also had a couple of candidates in elections lately who’s histories are littered with racial slurs?

So you think the Tory parliamentary party is riddled with Nazis.

I know you clearly have some attraction to Mart but it’s a bit embarrassing especially as you’ve boasted frequently you’ve mainly voted for them.

 

[skybluetony176]

So you think the Tory parliamentary party is riddled with Nazis.

I know you clearly have some attraction to Mart but it’s a bit embarrassing especially as you’ve boasted frequently you’ve mainly voted for them.

You’re the one who said that they only existed in someone’s head. Don’t know why you’re making it about me. You’re the one who seems unaware of what some Tories have said, some high profile ones to boot. Is that the same as saying that the Tory party is “riddled with Nazis”? Clearly not regardless of your poor attempt to put those words into my mouth. However when comparing a statement that they only exist in someone’s head to riddled with Nazis the latter clearly would be the most accurate, even though it’s not accurate at all. That’s a good measurement of how wrong you are.

 

[Astute]

Flights won't get grounded; dogs not bring able to go freely to the EU and being limited to how long you can spend in each others countries should hardly be a surprise.

I thought a good thing about staying in the EU was our flights wouldn't get grounded.

 

[Astute]

It's another long line of predictions that haven't come to fruition. The EU and the coalition will eventually compromise. The 5Star's record when in power is not good and there's a lot of worried people over there about the impact they'll have on the country long-term.

Check the date. The article is from today. I haven't brought up old news.

Whoever got voted in this time in Italy was going to have a hard time. So if the far right was ever going to get voted in this is the best time for it. The usual parties won't get all the blame if it all goes wrong. And maybe the EU will offer a bit more to keep the far right on their side.

The long term damage has already been done. An unmanageable debt has been run up. Something needs to give. But the good thing about Italians is they don't carry much personal debts themselves.

 

[martcov]

So when you said conservatives in plural you meant one.

So if I show you two xenophobic comments by 2 senior pro Eu politicians do you accept that the Eu is more racist?

Yes or no?

The comments I am specifically are referring to insults to EU foreigners. The Nazi comparison in the link, the Foreign Minister USSR comparison and the Mogg Mafia comparison.

Now, a yes/ no question for you. Do you think these sort of comments strengthen our negotiating position with the EU?

I suspect that in 2 of those cases, a no deal would be the desired effect opening up the UK to a libertarian free market economy. Winner takes all.

 

[Sick Boy]

I thought a good thing about staying in the EU was our flights wouldn't get grounded.

I thought a good thing about leaving was that they'd be an extra £350m a week to spend on the NHS.

 

[Sick Boy]

Check the date. The article is from today. I haven't brought up old news.

Whoever got voted in this time in Italy was going to have a hard time. So if the far right was ever going to get voted in this is the best time for it. The usual parties won't get all the blame if it all goes wrong. And maybe the EU will offer a bit more to keep the far right on their side.

The long term damage has already been done. An unmanageable debt has been run up. Something needs to give. But the good thing about Italians is they don't carry much personal debts themselves.

I wasn't saying it was old news. La Lega are far-right and trying to push through some abhorrent laws, luckily they've been met with resistance so far and had to reel them back in. The 5Star are certainly not far-right and are very much to the left.

 

[Ashdown]

I thought a good thing about leaving was that they'd be an extra £350m a week to spend on the NHS.

There might be after we've paid the divorce bill ..... eventually.

 

[skybluetony176]

There might be after we've paid the divorce bill ..... eventually.

The figure on the bus was grossly overstated so there won’t be. Even after we’ve paid the divorce bill. Not that it was ever going to happen anyway.

 

[Sick Boy]

There might be after we've paid the divorce bill ..... eventually.

That's weird I don't remember a divorce bill being mentioned either.

 

[martcov]

Selmayr II

May appoints new head of civil service. The previous one is not returning to work. It is her long time loyal assistant.

No formal recruitment process.

The opposition is not happy at the way it was done.

The excuse is text book Juncker. Exactly the same excuse.

„Theresa May has cited the government’s crisis over Brexit to justify installing her longstanding lieutenant as Britain’s most senior civil servant without a formal recruitment process.

Sir Mark Sedwill, 54, was promoted to cabinet secretary after it was announced that Sir Jeremy Heywood,56, who is being treated for cancer, would not return to work. Sir Mark had been acting in the role since June.

The prime minister is understood to have argued privately that the emergency of Brexit meant that an appointment was needed straight away.“

I await three weeks of outrage as we had for Juncker and co.. At least they had a college of 3 to confirm Selmayr‘s appointment.

Over to you Astute....