The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (170 Viewers)
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Captain Dart
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US interest rates about to go up?
Astute
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All ready to bite those who have debts they can't afford to service.
Not a time to be making more debt.
SkyblueBazza
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I think the longest line of predictions has been from the remainers, based upon speculation by themselves or other 'experts'.
And yet despite the scaremongering..."Exclusive: UK to remain BlackRock's EMEA headquarters after Brexit - memo" - Exclusive - UK to remain BlackRock's EMEA headquarters after Brexit - memo | Reuters
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SkyblueBazza
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Yeah...come G...any hint of racist langauge (by non-racists) is punishable by death! On the other hand anti-semitism seems only worthy of mild verbal admonishment.
Oh & leave poor Tony alone - it's not about him. I sense you are making his bottom lip wobble...& that can't be right!
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skybluetony176
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Hahaha, you’re funny. Not sure if it’s deliberate or not but you are funny.
clint van damme
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I'm not sure if you're being serious or not.
Yes, this is good news, but you've totally dismissed the warnings from the likes of JLR, Nissan, Honda etc. Do you think this negates their concerns? Seriously?
Astute
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But they are also keeping their options open.
Astute
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It is all about potential good news and potential bad news.
I still don't think it will be as good as it could be or as bad as it could get. The EU is fragile. They need our trading market. Even the strongest market Germany would hurt if they continued with their threats. The main point is what do we have to offer or give away for the right deal?
clint van damme
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there's only really one thing holding it all up now and that's the Irish border and I don't think anyone has any wiggle room.
Astute
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It will be solved when all sides want it solved. Nothing is unsolvable.
Once we know the trade deal we can look at the remaining problems and solve them 1 at a time. But a border inside Ireland is a no whatever.
clint van damme
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we can't start looking at a trade deal until the Irish border question is resolved, that was the agreed framework for negotiations.
No way May can propose a border in the Irish sea, the EU can't have a border between the Republic and the rest of the EU and there can't be a border between the north and south without contravening the GFA.
The only other option is staying in the customs union, May might get away with that if enough Labour MPs supported the proposal but I think the tories would probably get shot of her before they had chance.
Grendel
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A border will not contravene the GF agreement
clint van damme
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any alteration to the border, I forget the actual term they use, additional construction, that's not it but something along those lines.
Grendel
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No it won’t
SkyblueBazza
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clint van damme
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are you sure? And the UK government has already committed to no additional infrastructure in talks with the EU.
I can't see any solution.
clint van damme
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you think companies haven't moved because of Brexit?
You think BMW pulling forward their shut downs isn't anything to do with Brexit?
You think they haven't put the brakes on investment, of course they have?
Lets face it, you won't admit anything negative about Brexit whereas I can acknowledge positives when they're presented like the link you provided.
skybluetony176
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Based on what?
Grendel
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The actual wording of the agreement
skybluetony176
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Which is?
Grendel
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What do you mean. Read it and it’s apparent what the option is.
skybluetony176
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Which is?
dutchman
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The news just gets bettter and better...
Angela Merkel prepares for second electoral disaster in Hesse
Germany’s ruling parties are bracing for a second electoral disaster within a fortnight as polls for Sunday’s regional election in Hesse suggest that voters will punish Angela Merkel’s shaky coalition government.
Sunday’s vote could plunge Germany’s grand coalition into a fresh crisis, with polls showing a nosedive in support for both Merkel’s Christian Democrats (CDU) and coalition partner Social Democrats (SPD), reflecting a nationwide trend.
Both parties are trying to play down the significance of the regional election, which comes just two weeks after a catastrophic poll in Bavaria widely blamed on the failings of the Berlin government.
Home to Germany’s financial centre, Frankfurt am Main, Hesse is a former swing state long seen as a bellwether for national politics. For the past 20 years it has been ruled by various CDU-led coalitions. But now polls have the CDU plummeting to 26%, a drop of 12 points since 2013.
The result would spell an end to the state’s current CDU-Green coalition and possibly topple the CDU state premier and close Merkel ally, Volker Bouffier.
Angela Merkel prepares for second electoral disaster in Hesse
Germany’s ruling parties are bracing for a second electoral disaster within a fortnight as polls for Sunday’s regional election in Hesse suggest that voters will punish Angela Merkel’s shaky coalition government.
Sunday’s vote could plunge Germany’s grand coalition into a fresh crisis, with polls showing a nosedive in support for both Merkel’s Christian Democrats (CDU) and coalition partner Social Democrats (SPD), reflecting a nationwide trend.
Both parties are trying to play down the significance of the regional election, which comes just two weeks after a catastrophic poll in Bavaria widely blamed on the failings of the Berlin government.
Home to Germany’s financial centre, Frankfurt am Main, Hesse is a former swing state long seen as a bellwether for national politics. For the past 20 years it has been ruled by various CDU-led coalitions. But now polls have the CDU plummeting to 26%, a drop of 12 points since 2013.
The result would spell an end to the state’s current CDU-Green coalition and possibly topple the CDU state premier and close Merkel ally, Volker Bouffier.
Sick Boy
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He probably does.
The car companies are having to have rethinks and make strategic decisions more based on Diesel engines and new legislation than Brexit at the moment, although I agree of course they need smooth supply lines and fair trading agreements too going forward.
Grendel
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Tony I explained this on this thread to Mart. He went predictably silent other than muttering something about the “spirit of the agreement”
If you want the answer ask your friend. I am not posting the relevant sections within the act again.
It would take away the real existing framework upon which it was made. It would no longer be accepted.
No. You haven’t linked anything to support your and Rees Mogg‘s interpretation. The framework of the GFA is that there is no border. With a border the rest is nonsense. E.g. if you feel you are Irish, you lose that feeling if you come to a border. You are guaranteed to feel Irish, British or British Irish. Start putting a border with physical checkpoints and there is the end of the agreement.
The news just gets bettter and better...
Angela Merkel prepares for second electoral disaster in Hesse
Germany’s ruling parties are bracing for a second electoral disaster within a fortnight as polls for Sunday’s regional election in Hesse suggest that voters will punish Angela Merkel’s shaky coalition government.
Sunday’s vote could plunge Germany’s grand coalition into a fresh crisis, with polls showing a nosedive in support for both Merkel’s Christian Democrats (CDU) and coalition partner Social Democrats (SPD), reflecting a nationwide trend.
Both parties are trying to play down the significance of the regional election, which comes just two weeks after a catastrophic poll in Bavaria widely blamed on the failings of the Berlin government.
Home to Germany’s financial centre, Frankfurt am Main, Hesse is a former swing state long seen as a bellwether for national politics. For the past 20 years it has been ruled by various CDU-led coalitions. But now polls have the CDU plummeting to 26%, a drop of 12 points since 2013.
The result would spell an end to the state’s current CDU-Green coalition and possibly topple the CDU state premier and close Merkel ally, Volker Bouffier.
And what do you stand to gain? Why are you wetting yourself in anticipation? There will just be a different coalition or minority government. Sorry to disappoint you, but no one will let AFD anywhere near power.
The news just gets bettter and better...
Angela Merkel prepares for second electoral disaster in Hesse
Germany’s ruling parties are bracing for a second electoral disaster within a fortnight as polls for Sunday’s regional election in Hesse suggest that voters will punish Angela Merkel’s shaky coalition government.
Sunday’s vote could plunge Germany’s grand coalition into a fresh crisis, with polls showing a nosedive in support for both Merkel’s Christian Democrats (CDU) and coalition partner Social Democrats (SPD), reflecting a nationwide trend.
Both parties are trying to play down the significance of the regional election, which comes just two weeks after a catastrophic poll in Bavaria widely blamed on the failings of the Berlin government.
Home to Germany’s financial centre, Frankfurt am Main, Hesse is a former swing state long seen as a bellwether for national politics. For the past 20 years it has been ruled by various CDU-led coalitions. But now polls have the CDU plummeting to 26%, a drop of 12 points since 2013.
The result would spell an end to the state’s current CDU-Green coalition and possibly topple the CDU state premier and close Merkel ally, Volker Bouffier.
I just checked the latest polls and it seems most likely to be a Jamaica coalition- CDU, FDP and Greens. You’ll love that. Greens are more humane than CDU and want the families of accepted refugees to be allowed in to join them.
Grendel
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No I showed you the relevant sub clauses in the agreement and the options that exist for the parliament in Ireland to decide.
Christ do I have to hold your hand and use crayons to read the clauses to you
clint van damme
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Jag particularly have fucked up with regard to the diesel issue. If Brexit was cancelled tomorrow they'd still be struggling but BMWs concern for their supply chain is genuine.
I've no doubt they'll be chaos for JIT manufacturers in the event of a no deal.
What I have no idea of is how long it will take to sort out - I can't see it being allowed to go on indefinitely but how much damage will be done in the mean time?
Astute
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Agreed timeframe?
That is what makes me laugh. The EU states something will happen or the EU states that something will happen in a certain way. They dictate what is happening. This then becomes something agreed at a later date.
The EU said that we would have to solve the problem of Ireland before we could go any further. How was this an agreed framework?
And yet again we have to solve issues we don't know about until we know about any sort of trade deal. It is ifs and buts until we know the details.