He has not been charged of anything yet. I think that is relevant.
The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (383 Viewers)
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He has not been charged of anything yet. I think that is relevant.
Astute
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What obsession?
As I have stated I have a go at all sides and praise nobody who doesn't deserve it. I don't defend anyone. But in here you are supposed to give support to the EU. Fuck that. They are as bent as they come.
I suppose if I had a go at everyone but the EU or not mention the problems with the countries of the EU like with Ital ....Just like you do......You would be happy with my posts.
You spent weeks on Selmayr. Going round and round in circles. That is obsession. Then May appoints her loyal lieutenant as head of the U.K. civil service using Brexit as an excuse and you vanish. Bent as they come. May not then? You don’t defend May, you just go very very quiet when she does exactly the same as the ‚bent as they come‘ EU. When are you going to have a go at May for doing the same as Juncker with Selmayr? Answer: you won’t say a word about it.
Just for Astute; Arron Banks faces new claims of misleading MPs over Brexit
skybluetony176
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Reading up on Arron Banks and there’s so many dodgy stories about him from Russian diamonds to attempting to financially facilitate regime change of an African country. You can’t help but feel that if he gets found guilty of one thing a whole stack of cards is going to come tumbling down. Of course he could be innocent and done nothing wrong on all counts but what is clear is that he moves in some very unsavoury circles, by choice.
Plenty of evidence and witnesses:
Breaking: Arron Banks lied to parliament about his Brexit campaign, say whistleblowers
skybluetony176
Well-Known Member
Some snippets of what Arron Banks said on the Andrew Marr show in this BBC article Banks challenged over Leave.EU funds
... and a decent explainer of what they were up to with the money:
Thread by @Nealb2010: "So how did vote leave cheat? What was this extra money spent on and can it be justified? Ah I didn't fall for any of that, I hear you say.. […]"
Thread by @Nealb2010: "So how did vote leave cheat? What was this extra money spent on and can it be justified? Ah I didn't fall for any of that, I hear you say.. […]"
skybluetony176
Well-Known Member
It’s the old Facebook law of if it has a photo with it it must be true. I had a mate share a post about Turkey joining (don’t recall if it was the one in the article or not) in the run up to the referendum and it was complete horse shit (probably was the one in the article then
). I pointed out to him the discrepancies and if he didn’t want to take my word for it I gave him some pointers of where to fact check it for himself but no, a flimsy tag line and a picture must be true.
Captain Dart
Well-Known Member
Not really. 2 stepped down after their 4 year period and one took a job that became available because of Brexit. So, no more moaning from leavers as from now. ;-)
Very interesting. All you hear is „ no Russians came knocking on my door“ or „I made my mind up years ago“. Exactly. Only a small percentage of 17,4 million were actively targeted by deliberate lies. It worked. Same as in swing states in the USA. Which is why Trump only won the electoral college, not the popular vote.
SkyblueBazza
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You mean even in the face of all that scaremongering over 18months or so - people STILL want to leave?
The sample of 20000...I know they can prove with lies lies & statistics that it is representative - but the only sample that matters(/ered) was in 2016.
Were this kind of thing happen all the time & actually mattered much, virtually every government would be deposed after local elections, or equivalent in virtually every democracy.
Give it up...we are leaving
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Astute
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And the same people questioned don't think that any of Boris, Corbyn or Farage would do a worse job than May.
It seems most people I work with vote Tory. One main reason is we pay less tax under a Tory government. Or how about final salary pensions? Labour policies destroyed them. This is another big reason why they say they vote Tory. Their kids won't be able to have an affordable way of a comfortable retirement.
But then when you ask the younger generations they have a go at the older generations for taking everything and leaving them with nothing. Older generations had cheaper homes to buy....although interest rates under Labour were astronomical. And they also had pensions that are as rare as hens teeth these days. So they vote Labour as those who got everything vote Tory.
Ask the right questions to the right people and you will get the answers you want.
I still vote Labour. They are not best for me but I think more of my children. But Brexit is a difficult one. I didn't vote Brexit. I still don't think overall that it is a good idea.
But the EU can't continue as it is. It needs to reform and quickly. But those at the top don't want reform. They want their project to continue as it is. They want people to leave poor countries and move to rich countries. They don't care what happens to the poor countries after they have left. And now people have had enough. The right wing is growing.
Marine Le Pen is now more popular than Macron. It was only last year that Macron and his party easily beat Le Pen. Yet of course it is only the UK that has a problem with the EU. But as I have continually said right wing parties throughout the EU are growing in strength. And that isn't a good thing.
French far-right overtakes Macron in EU parliament election poll
Sick Boy
Super Moderator
That's just not really true though, is it? Look how EU membership has transformed a country like Ireland. You also have countries like Poland and Romania with their economies growing.
I guess that doesn't fit your agenda though and I can't believe you have the audacity to now try and paint yourself as anti-Brexit, it really is hilarious.
Astute
Well-Known Member
It isn't me that has an agenda. It is you.
So are right wing politics growing in the EU like I said? I noticed you never mentioned that.
The problem you have with me is I don't defend anyone and have a go at just about everyone when the evidence is there. But your job on here seems to be to defend the EU.
So Romania is growing? I said about the younger people leaving causing problems. I notice you never denied this fact. How about being truthful to the situation for once? And this isn't blaming the EU although you will try to make out that I am.
That 400,000 Romanians live in the UK is a tragedy for their homeland | Claudia Ciobanu
New Statistics Confirm Romania’s Demographic Catastrophe - Emerging Europe
Sick Boy
Super Moderator
Yet again you try and portray yourself as having zero agenda and your opinion on something is 'the truth'. As i said, it's comedy gold.
How do you explain a country like Ireland that has been a member far longer than the likes of Romania? Another country that was once full of poverty and had massive emigration.
And as I said before, the right is growing in the USA as well, do you blame the EU for that, too?
skybluetony176
Well-Known Member
If that was true we’d have you bleating on for pages and pages about the recent appointment of the U.K.’s top civil servant like you did about Salmayrs appointment at the EU. In fact if anything we’d have more pages because if anything the appointment was done in an even more controversial way than Salmayrs and unlike Salmayrs there doesn’t even look like they’ll be an enquiry into it. Over to you.
skybluetony176
Well-Known Member
Arron Banks campaign and insurance companies now facing fines for breaking data protection laws.
Leave.EU and Banks firm face £135,000 fines
Which proves he lied to the select committee, surely?
Leave.EU and Banks firm face £135,000 fines
Which proves he lied to the select committee, surely?
Astute
Well-Known Member
So remind me what I said about Ireland?
This is your normal reply when you don't like something I have said. You add words to it then bring in other subjects and make out that I have made comments that I haven't. And you have taken this from me saying about younger residents leaving poorer countries and leaving them in trouble for the future. Somehow Ireland comes into it.
Trump? WOW.
If you want to bring him into it go for it. He is a twat who will make racism worse in America. He is using the same tactics as those in the EU. Blame those coming into the country. But I suppose you can change the meaning for this and will somehow change it to saying that I think Trump is great.
So what do you think of Le Pen getting more votes than Macron? All the fault of Trump? Or has France suddenly become racist in your view?
Astute
Well-Known Member
OK UKIP voter Tony.
How about showing us all where I have defended anyone who you dislike because they are for Brexit.
Astute
Well-Known Member
There should be another way of taking action against him other than a fine if he is guilty. It may be a lot of money to most of us. But to someone like him it isn't much. The laws are always to the advantage of the rich.
skybluetony176
Well-Known Member
The old UKIP Tony line again. Still haven’t questioned the decision from May then even though it’s at least on par with the appointment of Salmayr which you’ve bored us to tears with for weeks. Funny, I thought you were impartial and give it out to everyone in equal amounts. Actually I didn’t, as you continue to prove.
skybluetony176
Well-Known Member
The fines are for data protection breaches not lying to a parliamentary select committee. There is course for punishment for doing the latter but as this article explains it’s a grey area and pretty much untested. Lying to a select committee: the law | Owen Bowcott
Astute
Well-Known Member
I have gone through it with you before. But you just chat shite on the subject.
OK. Let's go through the motions again. Mention the person. Show the job they got. Show the UK government rules on getting the post. And mention how high up the position is. Because you make out that it made the fact of Selmayr gettingthe job OK.
Just like when you tried to make out that May got her position without going down the proper way.
Then we will mention Selmayr. We will mention the EU rules and regulations. We will mention that he is in charge of 22,000 civil servants. We will mention that it is counted as the highest position you can have in the EU. We will mention that it is a job for life. We will mention of the blackmail from Juncker if Selmayr was removed from the post.
Astute
Well-Known Member
So why not test it?
If we can send UK MP's to prison for small amounts of false expenses claims we should be able to do the same for breaking rules. Nobody should be above the law.
skybluetony176
Well-Known Member
I pointed out that Salmayrs appointment was no different to the way that we appoint our leading civil servant. How was that chatting shit exactly given that that has just been proven to be exactly the case? I was bang on. It was you who chatted endless pages of shit on the subject and constantly used it to change directions of conversation onto the EU. And now you’re attempting to do it again.
skybluetony176
Well-Known Member
Did you read the article? It tells you the answers in it. Biggest problem is that they don’t answer questions under oath.
Astute
Well-Known Member
Have you?
Try naming the person, job title and the official way to apply for the job. Which rules were broke.
And you compare it to the top EU job which is a job for life.
And you also tried to say May never got voted in the right way. That was certainly you chatting shite.
Astute
Well-Known Member
I said for the rules and regulations being broke. That is different to lies being told.
SkyblueBazza
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SkyblueBazza
Well-Known Member
Well I for one find it equally disappoining, distasteful & objectionable. Although it is an entirely different circumstance.
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