The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (280 Viewers)

[skybluetony176]

But you are chatting shit.

So when did about 25% of the population of Ireland leave?

You should know your history. You should know if I am right or wrong. I know I am right. But such a hard thing for you to admit to though isn't it.

How would you know if I was chatting shit? You’re wrong. Why are you trying to make this about me? It’s for you to tell me why I’m wrong not the other way around.

By the way, the bit about Romanians leaving their children with relatives why they work in other EU countries was in an article you linked. Not reading what you’ve linked again. No surprise.

 

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[Sick Boy]

So up to 25% of the population leaving isn't a mass exodus?

And back to the truth. Romania used to have a population about 4 times the size of Ireland. Romania now has a population about 3 times the size of Ireland. Yes approximately the size of the population of Ireland has left Romania.

And BTW this doesn't include Northern Ireland.

If it isn't a mass exodus what is it?

"Back to the truth" - fucking hell.

If your only awareness of history emigration is the potato famine, then you need to go away and educate yourself.

 

[Sick Boy]

So up to 25% of the population leaving isn't a mass exodus?

And back to the truth. Romania used to have a population about 4 times the size of Ireland. Romania now has a population about 3 times the size of Ireland. Yes approximately the size of the population of Ireland has left Romania.

And BTW this doesn't include Northern Ireland.

If it isn't a mass exodus what is it?

How is 19.5 million people 3 times bigger than 4.8 million?

 

[Astute]

How would you know if I was chatting shit? You’re wrong. Why are you trying to make this about me? It’s for you to tell me why I’m wrong not the other way around.

By the way, the bit about Romanians leaving their children with relatives why they work in other EU countries was in an article you linked. Not reading what you’ve linked again. No surprise.

I have just put up the truth. They had a 5 year period where the population went down by half a percent. And it has gone up ever since. This includes all the time of Eamonn De Valera as president. And the time you are saying that there was a mass exodus from Ireland.

Would you like to show the figures for what you are saying?


I gather not.

 

[skybluetony176]

He was president of Ireland from 1959 to 1973.

Ireland Population (2018) - Worldometers

Don’t know why you’re telling me, I’m well aware of Irish history, he wasn’t just the president by the way he was also the Taoiseach 3 times prior to becoming president. To give you some prospective on that it’s the position currently held by Leo Varadkar.

 

[Astute]

"Back to the truth" - fucking hell.

If your only awareness of history emigration is the potato famine, then you need to go away and educate yourself.

As you agree with Tony would you like to show any proof? Because you know he is wrong.

 

[Astute]

Don’t know why you’re telling me, I’m well aware of Irish history, he wasn’t just the president by the way he was also the Taoiseach 3 times prior to becoming president. To give you some prospective on that it’s the position currently held by Leo Varadkar.

And what happened to the population in all this time?

Come on Tony. Try backing up what you are saying for once.

 

[Astute]

How is 19.5 million people 3 times bigger than 4.8 million?

So you are pretending you don't understand my post?

It was 19.5m before people left. Then it was about x4 as I quoted. Now it is only about x3.

 

[Sick Boy]

As you agree with Tony would you like to show any proof? Because you know he is wrong.

I'm not the one who tries to portray myself as "only speaking the truth". As I said, if you believe that emigration was limited to the potato famine, then you really are clueless.

 

[Sick Boy]

So you are pretending you don't understand my post?

It was 19.5m before people left. Then it was about x4 as I quoted. Now it is only about x3.

I have checked on multiple sources online for both countries' populations in 2018.

Even in your own article it says it is 20million, I said 19.5 million.

 

[Astute]

I'm not the one who tries to portray myself as "only speaking the truth". As I said, if you believe that emigration was limited to the potato famine, then you really are clueless.

You are the one who portrays yourself as being right. You agree with anyone who wants what you want and attacks anyone who doesn't want what you want. And like now won't admit when wrong.

 

[skybluetony176]

I have just put up the truth. They had a 5 year period where the population went down by half a percent. And it has gone up ever since. This includes all the time of Eamonn De Valera as president. And the time you are saying that there was a mass exodus from Ireland.

Would you like to show the figures for what you are saying?


I gather not.

My god you’re an ignaramous. What’s population growth got to do with emigration? Especially in a Catholic country where birth control was outlawed, abortion was outlawed until very recently, families are traditionally large and orphanages were bursting at the seams. You fail miserably to understand the Irish mentality. My mum is from a Protestant Northern Irish family, she’s one of 12 children, I have 51 first cousins and we were allowed to use contraception.

 

[Astute]

I have checked on multiple sources online for both countries' populations in 2018.

Even in your own article it says it is 20million, I said 19.5 million.

It didn't say 20m. It said it was 19.6m before they started leaving.

A Romanian village feels the country’s emigration pain

 

[Astute]

My god you’re an ignaramous. What’s population growth got to do with emigration? Especially in a Catholic country where birth control was outlawed, abortion was outlawed until very recently, families are traditionally large and orphanages were bursting at the seams. You fail miserably to understand the Irish mentality. My mum is from a Protestant Northern Irish family, she’s one of 12 children, I have 51 first cousins and we were allowed to use contraception.

So you didn't say that the Irish people didn't leave en mass?

So in the time you say the population has steadily gone up. And constantly at the same rate. So when they stopped leaving they also stopped having lots of kids?

 

[Sick Boy]

It isn't me that has an agenda. It is you.

So are right wing politics growing in the EU like I said? I noticed you never mentioned that.

The problem you have with me is I don't defend anyone and have a go at just about everyone when the evidence is there. But your job on here seems to be to defend the EU.

So Romania is growing? I said about the younger people leaving causing problems. I notice you never denied this fact. How about being truthful to the situation for once? And this isn't blaming the EU although you will try to make out that I am.

That 400,000 Romanians live in the UK is a tragedy for their homeland | Claudia Ciobanu

New Statistics Confirm Romania’s Demographic Catastrophe - Emerging Europe

@Astute - I was referencing this article, which you posted.

 

[skybluetony176]

And what happened to the population in all this time?

Come on Tony. Try backing up what you are saying for once.

I tell you what. When you understand that De Valera (a person I will confidently predict you’d never even heard of before I told you today) had a stranglehold on Ireland for over half a century as either Taoiseach and President come back to me. When you understand something about the Irish mentality and traditions come back to me, when you understand the difference between birth rates, emigration and the effects this has on population come back to me. Until then you’re just chatting shit.

 

[Astute]

@Astute - I was referencing this article, which you posted.

The one that says about 20m from the Guardian?

 

[Sick Boy]

Traditions of emigration: The Irish habit of going away | Generation Emigration

Just for you, Astute.

It's weird isn't it that before the 1990s, non-Irish immigration to Ireland was unheard of. I wonder what happened 20 years prior to this?

Hopefully Romania will benefit and prosper in the same way.

 

[skybluetony176]

So you didn't say that the Irish people didn't leave en mass?

So in the time you say the population has steadily gone up. And constantly at the same rate. So when they stopped leaving they also stopped having lots of kids?

No I didn’t say that the Irish left on mass, again with the putting words in people’s mouths. Ireland did have mass emigration though, it has also had exceptionally high birth rates. All well known, recorded historical facts. I acknowledge both in the interest of balance.

 

[Astute]

I tell you what. When you understand that De Valera (a person I will confidently predict you’d never even heard of before I told you today) had a stranglehold on Ireland for over half a century as either Taoiseach and President come back to me. When you understand something about the Irish mentality and traditions come back to me, when you understand the difference between birth rates, emigration and the effects this has on population come back to me. Until then you’re just chatting shit.

Good comeback :wideyed:

So is that it instead of showing evidence of what you have said after you wanted me to back up what I have said?

Yeah OK Tony.

Prove yourself for once and I will admit that you are not chatting shit. The problem is that you are.

 

[Astute]

No I didn’t say that the Irish left on mass, again with the putting words in people’s mouths. Ireland did have mass emigration though, it has also had exceptionally high birth rates. All well known, recorded historical facts. I acknowledge both in the interest of balance.

You said that Ireland had the same exodus as Romania. I said not since the potato famine occurred. This is correct. You and SB do your tag team event as usual even though the pair of you know you are wrong.

 

[Astute]

Traditions of emigration: The Irish habit of going away | Generation Emigration

Just for you, Astute.

It's weird isn't it that before the 1990s, non-Irish immigration to Ireland was unheard of. I wonder what happened 20 years prior to this?

Hopefully Romania will benefit and prosper in the same way.

Is that right? The Irish population has grown since a slight blip around 1950.

 

[skybluetony176]

Traditions of emigration: The Irish habit of going away | Generation Emigration

Just for you, Astute.

It's weird isn't it that before the 1990s, non-Irish immigration to Ireland was unheard of. I wonder what happened 20 years prior to this?

Hopefully Romania will benefit and prosper in the same way.

Mmm, record levels in the 40,s and 50’s at rates not seen since the Irish potatoe famine. Interesting. A period when De Valera was the Taoiseach, something Astute was unaware of and also coincidentally not a period covered in Astutes link.

 

[Sick Boy]

Mmm, record levels in the 40,s and 50’s at rates not seen since the Irish potatoe famine. Interesting. A period when De Valera was the Taoiseach, something Astute was unaware of and also coincidentally not a period covered in Astutes link.

Come on, he only speaks "the truth".

 

[skybluetony176]

Is that right? The Irish population has grown since a slight blip around 1950.

Look at Irish birth rates in the same period. You’re (quite deliberately I would think) only looking at a small part of the full story.

 

[skybluetony176]

Come on, he only speaks "the truth".

Couldn’t make it up could you.

 

[Astute]

Mmm, record levels in the 40,s and 50’s at rates not seen since the Irish potatoe famine. Interesting. A period when De Valera was the Taoiseach, something Astute was unaware of and also coincidentally not a period covered in Astutes link.

Yes......since the potato famine. This is when it was at the present rate leaving Romania now. Just like I said earlier. But you still try to make out that I am wrong.

You would think that I have had a go at the EU with the way you two have been. It isn't the fault of the EU. The money given to Romania has been wasted and not been used for the future. But miss out this part. You normally do.

 

[Astute]

Come on, he only speaks "the truth".

Not like you and Tony. It is clear you are trying to change history here.

 

[Astute]

Couldn’t make it up could you.

I haven't made it up. If I had you would show evidence. But you can't.

 

[Astute]

Look at Irish birth rates in the same period. You’re (quite deliberately I would think) only looking at a small part of the full story.

So all the young people left and had kids to keep the population going up?

So how many kids do Romanians have?

 

[Sick Boy]

Not like you and Tony. It is clear you are trying to change history here.

Yeah, if you say so - hahaha

 

[Sick Boy]

So all the young people left and had kids to keep the population going up?

So how many kids do Romanians have?

You're comparing a once previously deeply Catholic country where abortion was very recently made legal to modern day Romania.

You clearly are clueless

 

[skybluetony176]

You said that Ireland had the same exodus as Romania. I said not since the potato famine occurred. This is correct. You and SB do your tag team event as usual even though the pair of you know you are wrong.

Again with the putting words in people’s mouths. I’ve not said any such thing.

 

[Astute]

You're comparing a once previously deeply Catholic country where abortion was very recently made legal to modern day Romania.

You clearly are clueless

Comparing it with what? It wasn't me that compared Ireland with anything. But someone used Ireland to try and make out that the exodus from Romania is quite normal. Now I wonder who that was.....:shifty:

 

[Astute]

Again with the putting words in people’s mouths. I’ve not said any such thing.

So who said it then Tony?

Are you brave enough to say?