The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (134 Viewers)

[clint van damme]

Yes...happening before the referendum! Not as a result of Brexit.

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That's because that's how the tories promote us abroad.
The neo liberal agenda of Rees Mogg and his ilk will be ramped up post Brexit.

I'd love to see us have a high tech, high skilled manufacturing work force, will never happen under the tories, (and may never happen under any government).

 

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[clint van damme]

If it's a binary choice between this fucking abortion of a deal and the potentially catastrophic no-deal, then logically, I reckon this deal has a chance. But then logic never seems to come into these things.

even though I think in the shorter term no deal will fuck the country, (10 - 20 years), I can see us coming out the other side and getting back to somewhere near where we were, (things will never get better while we have idiots like davis and fox in and around the government).
With this deal I think things won't be as bad shorter term but will decline the longer we're tied into it.
I don't agree with rees mogg on much, in fact nothing up to now, but his description of the country as a vassal state I think will be correct if we leave the EU on these terms.

 

[Astute]

We could have limited them as members of the Eu

Would you like to explain how that would work?

 

[Astute]

You best tell the local papers then because they wrote this “Lincolnshire Partnership NHS Foundation Trust (LPFT) plans to move Rochford patients to hospitals in Lincoln and Grantham so the unit at Pilgrim can be used for “elderly, frail” waiting to be sent home.”

And that is because they need the space for other things. They changed the way they deal with the elderly and it didn't work. It ended up costing a lot of money and didn't work.

 

[Astute]

Putting words into people’s mouths again. I never said that immigration hasn’t caused a population growth in Boston. I just corrected you when you claimed that migration is responsible for the mental health unit moving. It’s moving to make way for the elderly. There’s a few articles in the local press outlets that I found and they all said the same thing. Not one mentioned immigration.

So the local population going up by 25% has nothing to do with what they have been doing at the hospital for years?

Look at above post.

 

[dutchman]

Oh really? What about the forgotten 48%, who are now 54% ( according to polls )?

Those are the same polls which tried to brainwash leave voters into believing there was no point in voting in the first place but failed. I was very nearly one of them and would have been but for the prospect of watching a results programme all night with the knowledge I had not taken part in the voting process.

 

[Astute]

LOL Germany did it for Poland? I believe, and we recently did it when Romania joined.

The only person who puts words into people's mouths is you.

I put words in your mouth? All I do is point out where you are wrong.

Limited Romanians? Are you having a laugh? It was the right to work that was limited. But what good did that do?

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[Astute]

Read both sides of the arguments on it. Bizarrely, under the circumstances it’s probably reflective of the split nation that we are. She’s tried to please everyone and whilst I think she’s been a poor leader and handled negoations badly I can’t blame her for the mess we are in. It’s a combination of Cameron and the EUs initial arrogance, together with small minded, inflexible and intolerant approaches (from both sides). If politicians/governments consistently ignore large sections of voters and their concerns eventually there will be a backlash....it’s happening worldwide

Best post for ages on this thread.

 

[martcov]

Those are the same polls which tried to brainwash leave voters into believing there was no point in voting in the first place but failed. I was very nearly one of them and would have been but for the prospect of watching a results programme all night with the knowledge I had not taken part in the voting process.

Why are you worried about a second referendum then? Should be a pushover for the happy Brexiteers... off to a beautiful no deal as opposed to remaining in the evil EU....

 

[martcov]

Best post for ages on this thread.

You seem to forget the backlash against Trump in the midterms. People are seeing what’s going on. Expect more of the same here as the populists get found out on Brexit.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Er, no. We've already had a referendum in this country on whether to leave so the only options left are 'accept the deal and leave' or 'reject the deal and leave'.

Wow but that wouldn’t be the will of the people

 

[skybluetony176]

And that is because they need the space for other things. They changed the way they deal with the elderly and it didn't work. It ended up costing a lot of money and didn't work.

So nothing to do with immigration then. It took a while but finally you’ve put your hands up.

 

[Sick Boy]

I put words in your mouth? All I do is point out where you are wrong.

Limited Romanians? Are you having a laugh? It was the right to work that was limited. But what good did that do?

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Yeah if you say so, yesterday you bizarrely claimed I'd said something about Blair despite not even mentioning him.

 

[skybluetony176]

So the local population going up by 25% has nothing to do with what they have been doing at the hospital for years?

Look at above post.

And now you’re trying to put words in people’s mouths again.

Clearly the decision to move the mental health unit has nothing to do with immigration and everything to do with an ageing population.

The maternity unit has become viable again and saved by the growing population boosted by immigration as confirmed in the original article you linked. So a bonus to the area from immigration.

Not sure what other issues you’re specifically referring to that have happened for years but every story I read refer to recruitment shortages. Which is a problem common all around the country and a failure of government policy. Immigration is actually one of the answers to curing this issue so again not sure how blaming immigration is the answer.

Over to you. Let’s see if you can answer without trying to put more words in my mouth.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Would you like to explain how that would work?

Little bit of how it worked initially with Romania and Bulgaria

Romania and Bulgaria controls lifted

 

[Astute]

So nothing to do with immigration then. It took a while but finally you’ve put your hands up.

Put my hands up to what? You trying to twist the truth as usual?

You are trying to twist the truth on something I painfully know the truth about. I lost my step dad in Pilgrim hospital. They closed down the heart theatre and put in place a heart monitoring unit to make space. They are getting rid of the mental health unit to make space for the old people. Their space was taken away to make space.

So come in Einstein. The Boston population has gone up by about 25% in recent years. The surrounding area has also gone up. Yet people have suddenly got old and need caring for and it is nothing to do with the population explosion in the district.

You, Mart and SB don't care what you say. You don't care how far fetched what you say is. You come out with any old rubbish to make the situation seem better than it is. Well done.

 

[Astute]

Yeah if you say so, yesterday you bizarrely claimed I'd said something about Blair despite not even mentioning him.

I said I am not praising him before you say I am. Yes totally different to what you say.

If you need proof how about yesterday when I said May has a hard job. You tried to twist that to me praising her. You only stopped that rubbish after others agreed with me.

So your family are immigrants. Your partner is Italian. Does that give you the right to come out with the diatribe you do?

 

[Astute]

Little bit of how it worked initially with Romania and Bulgaria

Romania and Bulgaria controls lifted

Work without restrictions yes. It didn't stop much more. That was why there was a criminal explosion involving Romanians. They were not allowed to work legally.

JAILED: Romanian organised crime gang stole £3m jewellery from across the UK

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[Sick Boy]

So your family are immigrants. Your partner is Italian. Does that give you the right to come out with the diatribe you do?

It doesn't exactly feel great to have people like you attempting to blame immigrants for the woes of the country, which you have consistently and unashamedly done. All 3 of them did or do vital roles in the public sector, BTW.

 

[Astute]

And now you’re trying to put words in people’s mouths again.

Clearly the decision to move the mental health unit has nothing to do with immigration and everything to do with an ageing population.

The maternity unit has become viable again and saved by the growing population boosted by immigration as confirmed in the original article you linked. So a bonus to the area from immigration.

Not sure what other issues you’re specifically referring to that have happened for years but every story I read refer to recruitment shortages. Which is a problem common all around the country and a failure of government policy. Immigration is actually one of the answers to curing this issue so again not sure how blaming immigration is the answer.

Over to you. Let’s see if you can answer without trying to put more words in my mouth.

Already answered. 1+1 isn't 5.

 

[Astute]

It doesn't exactly feel great to have people like you attempting to blame immigrants for the woes of the country, which you have consistently done. All 3 of them did or do vital roles in the public sector, BTW.

Who has blamed immigrants? I have said it is the fault of both the Tories and Labour.

But I am not going to sit here and agree when someone says that mass immigration to the UK has had no effect or has made no difference. It has exasperated the problem.

Then you have Tony who tries to twist the truth all the time.

 

[dutchman]

Why are you worried about a second referendum then? Should be a pushover for the happy Brexiteers... off to a beautiful no deal as opposed to remaining in the evil EU....

Ah, the classic EU tactic of holding a vote over and over again until THEY get the vote which THEY want!

 

[Sick Boy]

Work without restrictions yes. It didn't stop much more. That was why there was a criminal explosion involving Romanians. They were not allowed to work legally.

JAILED: Romanian organised crime gang stole £3m jewellery from across the UK

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LOL yes I'm sure organised crime gangs have loads of interest in working legally and no organised crime gangs have ever entered and committed crimes in a country that has tough immigration laws.

Most Romanians are decent people and aren't gangsters, btw

 

[dutchman]

Leavers were misled, or just concerned about immigration, which is only one part of EU membership and ignores non EU migrants.

It's not just about about total numbers. Many of the so-called "EU migrants" come from countries with no historical connection with Britain, who don't speak English (at least as a second language) and whose culture is totally alien to anything in this country.

 

[Sick Boy]

It's not just about about total numbers. Many of the so-called "EU migrants" come from countries with no historical connection with Britain, who don't speak English (at least as a second language) and whose culture is totally alien to anything in this country.

Yet the British immigrants going off to Spain and not even bothering to learn Spanish or integrate never even get a mention?

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Who has blamed immigrants? I have said it is the fault of both the Tories and Labour.

But I am not going to sit here and agree when someone says that mass immigration to the UK has had no effect or has made no difference. It has exasperated the problem.

Then you have Tony who tries to twist the truth all the time.

I’ve read most of the posts on here and most recognise there have been benefits and costs to Eu migration. Very rare to see any recognition of emigration to Eu nations from us Brits. It’s a shame that facts are so hard to come by in this brave new world. They do say truth is the first victim don’t they?

 

[Sick Boy]

I’ve read most of the posts on here and most recognise there have been benefits and costs to Eu migration. Very rare to see any recognition of emigration to Eu nations from us Brits. It’s a shame that facts are so hard to come by in this brave new world. They do say truth is the first victim don’t they?

Astute's sister runs and owns a bar in France, I believe, so he knows all too well.

 

[dutchman]

Yet the British immigrants going off to Spain and not even bothering to learn Spanish or integrate never even get a mention?

The "EU migrants" I mentioned was a euphamism, I really meant those colonial migrants from outside the EU who use EU rules as a right of entry to the UK.

And yes those "Little-Britons" who build hideous villas which antagonise the Spanish locals annoy me just as much. I had a blazing row with a British friend over the subject.

 

[Sick Boy]

And yes those "Little-Britons" who build hideous villas which antagonise the Spanish locals annoy me just as much. I had a blazing row with a British friend over the subject.

It makes me cringe when you see Brits getting visibility angry when their attempts at shouting at a local who doesn't speak English very well fail. There would be outrage if the tables were turned in this country.

 

[Sick Boy]

The "EU migrants" I mentioned was a euphamism, I really meant those colonial migrants from outside the EU who use EU rules as a right of entry to the UK.

Like which nationalities? All non- EU passport holders have to fill out a landing card and don't go through the UK/EU passport lanes.

 

[Grappa]

 

[Sick Boy]

Come on, it's a price worth paying so that we only hear English being spoken on trains.

 

[dutchman]

Like which nationalities? All non- EU passport holders have to fill out a landing card and don't go through the UK/EU passport lanes.

So which part of the EU does Somalia belong to then?

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

So which part of the EU does Somalia belong to then?

Somalians claim asylum don’t they?

 

[Sick Boy]

So which part of the EU does Somalia belong to then?

Somalians don't have free access to the UK? I presume if they are here they've been granted permission to work, have claimed asylum or are here illegally.

I'm not sure how they have anything to do with the EU if they are in this country.