How much % of UK GDP is fishing?
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How much % of UK GDP is fishing?
According to the article, 70% of the UK catch is sold to the EU. Which is why there will be some sort of deal.
dutchman
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To the people who work in the fishing industry it's 100% of GDP.
Are they in consensus? There are different types of catch. What does the fish processing industry think? Where do they get their raw materials? EU catches as well as UK? As far as I understand it, they are having problems because of the uncertainty.
dutchman
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Thet is a very lame deflection, even by your standards. If you work in the fishing industry then it is 100% of your GDP.
You don't, so you don't give a shit.
There are other industries that are more important for GDP and employment. There will be a trade off.
There are industries that are more important and the people who work in them probably don’t give a shit If fishing is traded off to benefit their industry.
I don’t think saving fishing at the expense of more important industries is a good idea. Plus the fish processing employs many people and I pointed out that they may need EU for their products. I should be able to point that out without being told that I don’t give a shit.
We’ll see what happens.
Sick Boy
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It's a prediction based upon May's concession and words spoken by the Spanish PM.
We have already seem that the EU has held the whip in these 'negotiations' despite claims by many, including yourself,that the UK would be calling the shots "as the need us more than we need them".
I'm not the one who tries to claim that my opinion is "the truth".
dutchman
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Not for the people who live and work in the fishing communities.
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dutchman
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Only because they have a stooge Prime Minister in the UK who is happy to bow down and be whipped by her masters in Brussels.
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Sick Boy
Super Moderator
Perhaps we could replace her with the intellectual heavyweight Brexiteer, Davis, who seems to think there would be a transition deal, even if a withdrawal agreement isn't made?
Sick Boy
Super Moderator
Yeah, I'm sure they're right at the forefront of the pro-Brexit politicians' hearts and minds.
clint van damme
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I came to the conclusion the Tories would fuck this up. If I could draw that conclusion why couldn't others?
And if they're right and I'm wrong I'll hold my hands up and say so not try to make excuses.
My theory that the Tories would make a mess of this process is looking right at the moment though I'd say.
dutchman
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They obviously care more than the EU stooges in this thread do.
Maybe not, but I wouldn’t put them above other economically more important workers or the good of the country. Let’s see what happens.
dutchman
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It's all about "money" to you people isn't it, and to hell with communites.
I’m not sure that is quite fair Clint (I wasn’t even sure if you were joking - sorry if I missed the gag). People voted leave for a variety of reasons, many of which could/should have been addressed by the UK government and EU before the vote even took place.
Following the vote, the country have put their faith in politicians to deliver a brexit that works best for us all. They have limited/no control over this and both sides of the house have poorly executed the vote/will of the people; From Cameron providing no planning brexit pre vote and buggering off, to the government not really knowing what we wanted out of the negotiations, to the infighting in the Tories, to labour politicising the subject and that’s not to mention the EU wanting to ensure we didn’t have a good deal so as to not encourage others (after a continued rise in anti establishment parties across Europe). The list is endless.
One specific point, did those who voted leave want Philip Hammond to barely spend a relative penny on No Deal planning which not only weakened our negotiating position but in an inadvertent/accidental No Deal scenario drops us right in the shit ?!
There has been constant manovering by those in politics that wanted remain (70% of MPs by all accounts)....making it very difficult from day one.
I only decided to finally vote leave on the week of the referendum and I’ll take my small portion of the blame for what happens next (I’m the only one out of a large group of mates that admitted that I had voted that way - let’s just say it wasn’t a popular decision !)
However, no friend or politician has been able to persuade me that my reasons were wrong since the vote. So will I take all of blame based on what’s happens before or since....no chance. And would I change my position/vote ? Bizarrely, even considering the potential negative financial impact on me at totally the wrong time...No.
Anyway, the EU/establishment might well end up with what they wanted all along...a second referendum to ensure that the public vote the right way this time. This brings me personally full circle as it was one of the main reasons why I vote leave....after going on Wikipedia in that final week pre referendum (see Ireland x2, France, Holland etc) and seeing how the public have been treated in the past when it came to EU referendums.
Nothing to do with me. There are other communities which have to be considered.
clint van damme
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well more fool them. I knew from the start where this was leading, why couldn't others see it?
II see the EU have signed off on Mays deal. It's that bad it's got me and Ernie agreeing on something, Anyone who voted for May is culpable though to be fair, she didn't have a lot f room to manoeuvre, though again, people should have known that from the start.
In Ireland the wording was altered to take into account people‘s opinions and Ireland is extreme pro EU now. The people seem quite happy how it panned out.
clint van damme
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what do you think will happen to communities in the North East if Nissan pull out?
Look what happened when the pits closed.
So why didn’t the EU go on the charm offensive when Cameron went out with his begging bowl ?!
Reason is both sides were too arrogant to believe the public would vote leave !
Ps Ireland was dug out of the shit in the financial crisis, that’s maybe part of the reason they are so pro EU (not sure how much but definitely would play a part).
Reason is both sides were too arrogant to believe the public would vote leave !
Ps Ireland was dug out of the shit in the financial crisis, that’s maybe part of the reason they are so pro EU (not sure how much but definitely would play a part).
Sky Blue Pete
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Love the arrogance of people voting for what they don’t understand because they think it’s not going to directly affect them. How ironic and perfect for our current society and the older generation blame the younger generation for being short term minded and not considering the consequences. Brilliantly ironic
What a day to be alive!!
What a day to be alive!!
Sky Blue Pete
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Why did you vote leave steve?
Yes, but they voted pro EU in the second vote. Seems only the UK doesn’t like giving people a second chance when they know more about the subject and have a deal on the table. What makes you think that it is only the „EU establishment“ ( whatever that is ) that wants a say on the final deal?
Grendel
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Only because the negotiation is by someone who has an identical political ideology to yourself
Grendel
Well-Known Member
The young generation are the same people who voted in the most anti Eu politician since Michael Foot and Wedgewood Benn as leader of the opposition.
The same young generation previously adored Nicholas Clegg as he promised a bribe on student loans
They hardly seem like long term deep thinkers to me
Grendel
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They voted pro EU in the second vote as the whole of Europe’s “gang” made it very very clear the consequences if a pipsqueak nation like Ireland dared to stand in the way of its political intentions.
Sky Blue Pete
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They’re not but it’s a bit rich the older generation not learning from it
Good question Pete...although you may regret asking !!!
I’ve mentioned a couple on this thread but since you asked....
Uncontrolled (not to be confused with controlled please !) immigration. Let’s just say a lack of proper control of EU migration. The argument May finally mentioned at the CBI conference last week is one I raised with friends two to three years ago. How can a low skilled person from the EU, potentially without a job (and also without us having a need for their skill) have an easier chance to live and work here than skilled labour from outside the EU ? It’s just doesn’t feel right. Could we fully sustain the numbers in terms of infrastructure/public services ? I have raised the fact that none of recent Uk governments have helped !
We are well and truly the black sheep of Europe already (not in Euro, Schengen) and they will contiue to forge an ever closer union. Therefore eventually there would be other decisions to make so why not now. I honestly believe(d) that we don’t need to be in the political union to have a strong trading and supportive foreign policy relationship.
The world is changing and I believe(d) that we shouldn’t be a part of something the appears to put barriers in the way of international trade. If some of the numbers of the waste from agriculatural subsidies is correct, it’s outrageous and an embarrassment in this day and age.
That being said, I also like the closeness, ease of travel etc and understand fully the benefits in terms of frictionless trade etc etc
But as I say I was pretty much down the middle and was debating it with loads of people on the run up (the good and the bad etc). I suppose what eventually swung it was more of an emotional decision as much as a logical one (which I’m a little embarrassed to say).
Deep down I’m a proud patriot and was just sick of the EUs arrogance towards us (and some other nations). When they basically told Cameron to piss off, I started reading up more and more on the EU, previous treaties etc and just didn’t like what I saw and read. I like to think of myself as a thinker/worrier so have continued to debate whether I did right thing but every time I still come back to the same answer, even though it’s with an element of regret.
clint van damme
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was it arrogant of the EU to tell Cameron to piss off though?
Like you said, we already had dispensation for Schengen, was it right to give us more concessions that other members didn't have?
I wish they had given into Camerons demands as we might not be where we are but I'm not sure you can call their refusal arrogance, it was probably more arrogant to go looking for preferential treatment.
Grendel
Well-Known Member
Learning from what?
I voted leave as I do not want to be part of some grotesque capitalist club that will increase fiscal and political control over its member states - it’s a capitalist USSR and it’s not for me
Sky Blue Pete
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Thank you. Shouldn’t be embarrassed by an emotional decision. What you’ve elucidated is a balance which is what’s missing from most emotional claptrap on either side. For free travel you need free movement. For free trade you need a frictionless border etc etc. One more positive than another and one more negative than another.
My work is involved in government and my emotional decision to remain is based on peace and closeness of people’s that we will only recognise the loss once it’s gone. We have always been the black sheep.
My career means that i know a little of how complex customs and tax is and deals with other countries take decades not months.
I think we could have an excellent evening realising that although we voted opposite ways and probably still would we see the world from a similar standpoint.
It’s what pisses me off about Farage and other decisive leaders who seek to drive people apart rather than together and I have to say on that the Eu seem to be better at pulling disparate views together than us
SIR ERNIE
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Not so Clint.
Mrs May’s Draft Agreement bears no resemblance to the vision she set out in her Lancaster House speech in January 2017.
She has betrayed not only that vision of Brexit but also the entire electorate, Leavers and Remainers alike, in cobbling together this dreadful capitulation.
This sell-out Agreement has the potential to ruin the UK.
Farage is correct to call her the most duplicitous PM in history.
How do you think relying on trading with trading partners such as the USA and China is going to pan out? Instead of being part of a powerful economic union, we are now a distressed trading partner with less clout in the world than the EU. The capitalist communist fourth Reich EUSSR has shown that it is quite capable of uniting 27 governments to obtain their target. The UK has had enormous problems trying to unite itself.