The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (82 Viewers)

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As of right now, how are thinking of voting? In or out

  • Remain

    Votes: 23 37.1%

  • Leave

    Votes: 35 56.5%

  • Undecided

    Votes: 3 4.8%

  • Not registered or not intention to vote

    Votes: 1 1.6%
  • Total voters
    62
  • Poll closed .
Astute

Astute

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Sick Boy said:
I didn't say you were 'happy' with it but you have highlighted the grim reality if the deal is rejected. Stop playing the victim constantly, I'm not having a go at you.
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Playing the victim?

I mention the reality of the situation. Yet you try and swing it to something else.

Or do you mean the situation we are in? Then yes we are all victims. And all because a PM wanted to win votes.
 
Sick Boy

Sick Boy

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Astute said:
Playing the victim?

I mention the reality of the situation. Yet you try and swing it to something else.

Or do you mean the situation we are in? Then yes we are all victims. And all because a PM wanted to win votes.
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I'm not trying to swing anything, just pointing out I wasn't having a go at you.

I agree with the rest of your post.
 
Astute

Astute

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Sick Boy said:
Yet it is fine for you to live in the UK? Are you not a Dutch national?
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This is one reason why I want this bullshit sorting out. Everyone who is in the EU from the UK knows they are safe and everyone in the UK from the EU know they are safe. The problem I see is working over borders once it is all settled. Looks like it will be you are allowed in a certain country but no others if you are from the UK. But if you are from the EU residing in the UK you will be allowed to work where you like as long as you keep up with your EU passport. So anyone from the UK would need a new EU passport.
 
Sick Boy

Sick Boy

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Astute said:
This is one reason why I want this bullshit sorting out. Everyone who is in the EU from the UK knows they are safe and everyone in the UK from the EU know they are safe. The problem I see is working over borders once it is all settled. Looks like it will be you are allowed in a certain country but no others if you are from the UK. But if you are from the EU residing in the UK you will be allowed to work where you like as long as you keep up with your EU passport. So anyone from the UK would need a new EU passport.
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That wouldn't apply as his daughter has British citizenship so she would have as much right to live her as you and me.
 
Astute

Astute

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Sick Boy said:
That wouldn't apply as his daughter has British citizenship so she would have as much right to live her as you and me.
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I never mentioned anyone in particular.

It is more aimed at someone like Mart who was born in the UK and has lived elsewhere for a long time but still has a UK passport. Do you have a UK passport? If so and you move to Italy you might only be able to stay in Italy for any certain amount of time. Or only work in Italy or the UK. Or how about all those from the UK in Spain. Or you could bring his daughter into it. Sounds like she has a UK passport. If they moved out of the UK before the cut off date she wouldn't be able to work anywhere but where they go to or the UK without an EU passport.

This should be sorted out ASAP so everyone knows where they stand before it happens. It is peoples futures we are talking about.
 
skybluetony176

skybluetony176

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Sick Boy said:
Technically the UK would be outside of the EU, but it would mean that the UK would be abiding by rules but having zero say, so what would be the point? Unless the UK is able to import American goods that are not currently allowed here, I am not sure it means that big USA trade deal will happen - as Trump has already said.

No one voted for it but I guess that May sees it as the best she can do with pressure from both sides.
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The US and EU are renegotiating there trade deal anyway. Who’s to say it won’t be a bad thing. The US will have no arguments for not offering the same deal as the EU and arguably the EU will be negotiating from a higher position of strength than the U.K. on it’s own will. We might not have a say in the US EU negotiations but that doesn’t mean that ultimately we won’t benefit from it.
 
Sick Boy

Sick Boy

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Astute said:
I never mentioned anyone in particular.

It is more aimed at someone like Mart who was born in the UK and has lived elsewhere for a long time but still has a UK passport. Do you have a UK passport? If so and you move to Italy you might only be able to stay in Italy for any certain amount of time. Or only work in Italy or the UK. Or how about all those from the UK in Spain. Or you could bring his daughter into it. Sounds like she has a UK passport. If they moved out of the UK before the cut off date she wouldn't be able to work anywhere but where they go to or the UK without an EU passport.

This should be sorted out ASAP so everyone knows where they stand before it happens. It is peoples futures we are talking about.
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I have both a UK and Irish passport but my parents got the Irish one first, so I won't have a problem over in Italy. I would presume Mart's daughter has dual citizenship so it wouldn't be an issue for her. I agree that it should be sorted out ASAP though.
 
skybluetony176

skybluetony176

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Can I just say, I’m loving how all of a sudden reports from the ONS are gospel around here...







... unless it’s on the negative impact of Brexit of course. Then the ONS are a bunch of centralists and bunch of dribbling europhiles.
 
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martcov

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dutchman said:
Because you make a point of ignoring any data which does not conform to your narrative.



She can live in the UK but if it was up to me I'd deport her back to Germany.
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The point was Brits who could come home. You want to count only Brits born in the UK, but Brits with UK passports also have a right to live in the UK after Brexit. You are cherry picking your information.

If my daughter gets deported, I will personally shove you on the next boat back to Holland with a one way ticket. ;-)
 
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martcov

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Astute said:
I never mentioned anyone in particular.

It is more aimed at someone like Mart who was born in the UK and has lived elsewhere for a long time but still has a UK passport. Do you have a UK passport? If so and you move to Italy you might only be able to stay in Italy for any certain amount of time. Or only work in Italy or the UK. Or how about all those from the UK in Spain. Or you could bring his daughter into it. Sounds like she has a UK passport. If they moved out of the UK before the cut off date she wouldn't be able to work anywhere but where they go to or the UK without an EU passport.

This should be sorted out ASAP so everyone knows where they stand before it happens. It is peoples futures we are talking about.
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My daughter has dual nationality. I registered her as British at birth ( shortly afterwards), although she was born in Hamburg.
 
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martcov

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Sick Boy said:
I have both a UK and Irish passport but my parents got the Irish one first, so I won't have a problem over in Italy. I would presume Mart's daughter has dual citizenship so it wouldn't be an issue for her. I agree that it should be sorted out ASAP though.
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Yes, she does and I have now got German citizenship.
 
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SkyblueBazza

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Grappa said:
He argues in bad faith. Asks questions, gets answers, dismisses them. Uses ad-homs, straw men, appeals to ignorance, false dilemmas , bandwagoning, come to think of it, pretty much the gamut of logical fallacies. Pointless engaging with him.
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That is why I blocked him ages ago.
We are on about Mart aren't we?

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martcov

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skybluetony176 said:
No-deal Brexit could sink UK into recession
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No surprise there then. Wait for all the „project fear“ claims. „Experts always get it wrong“. „I want proof“ etc.. Whatever happens there will turbulence on the markets and some who have the luck to control large amounts of money and can influence markets by making public statements, will be making a killing. Let’s see how the vote goes, mild recession or deep recession.
 
Grendel

Grendel

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martcov said:
No surprise there then. Wait for all the „project fear“ claims. „Experts always get it wrong“. „I want proof“ etc.. Whatever happens there will turbulence on the markets and some who have the luck to control large amounts of money and can influence markets by making public statements, will be making a killing. Let’s see how the vote goes, mild recession or deep recession.
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Carney welcomed the May proposal you fool
 
Grendel

Grendel

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martcov said:
Yes. The May proposal is better than no deal. I am not disputing that. It doesn’t make me a fool, but you make yourself look stupid by your reaction......as usual.
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You made a statement there will be turbulence in the markets regardless - so this deal will mean turbulence

Can you provide some evidence please?
 
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