The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (392 Viewers)

[Astute]

Might need some migrants who can educate children, because we don't have enough. Or to provide medical care, because we don't have enough. Or for scientific research, because we don't have enough. And we don't have enough because education is horrendously underfunded and teaching has been in crisis for years.

Yet we keep needing even more because of the population going up so fast. We need schools building. We need hospitals building. We need homes building. We need more teachers. We need mire medical staff. We need HR2 to take the strain off the railway network (allegedly). And the more the population goes up the more we need. To pay for this the tax we pay needs to go up.

 

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[Sick Boy]

Yet we keep needing even more because of the population going up so fast. We need schools building. We need hospitals building. We need homes building. We need more teachers. We need mire medical staff. We need HR2 to take the strain off the railway network (allegedly). And the more the population goes up the more we need. To pay for this the tax we pay needs to go up.

They should invest in the current networks across the country rather than the vanity project.

 

[Astute]

Who has been worst affected and did we already have it within our power to do something?

Of course we did. But the more that move here the worse the situation gets. The worse the situation gets the mire get affected by it. The more that get affected by it the more that will vote leave.

Why else are right wingers getting more votes throughout the EU? Different people get affected in different ways. You can't just say someone is thick for wanting to leave the EU.

 

[Sick Boy]

Of course we did. But the more that move here the worse the situation gets. The worse the situation gets the mire get affected by it. The more that get affected by it the more that will vote leave.

Why else are right wingers getting more votes throughout the EU? Different people get affected in different ways. You can't just say someone is thick for wanting to leave the EU.

And yet again it returns to your issues with internal EU FoM.

 

[Astute]

They should invest in the current networks across the country rather than the vanity project.

As I said.....allegedly. Yes it would help. People could get a direct train instead of joining the present networks. But 100 billion plus that it looks like and not the 56 billion as they tell us?

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Of course we did. But the more that move here the worse the situation gets. The worse the situation gets the mire get affected by it. The more that get affected by it the more that will vote leave.

Why else are right wingers getting more votes throughout the EU? Different people get affected in different ways. You can't just say someone is thick for wanting to leave the EU.

I didn't say that did I. I repeat-immigration is greater from outside the EU and the Tories did nothing to address it because deep down they know that we lack enough of our own workers to fill the gap. If you're blaming immigration for your woes and think leaving the EU will solve it you're looking in the wrong direction. That and we already had the power to send back EU migrants.

Arguments about not wanting more integration with Europe I disagree with, but are at least based on the objective reality of where the EU is heading. But let's be honest, it wasn't about that for most Leave voters according to any poll done on the subject.

 

[Sick Boy]

As I said.....allegedly. Yes it would help. People could get a direct train instead of joining the present networks. But 100 billion plus that it looks like and not the 56 billion as they tell us?

I have to get a train to work each day, it’s a 5 minute journey. It’s delayed by at least 10 mins a day and it’s not even peak rush hour

 

[Astute]

And yet again it returns to your issues with internal EU FoM.

Why is it my issue?

It is an issue. Some....including yourself.....try to make out it isn't an issue. You try and tell those affected by homelessness that it isn't an issue. Yes it is down to both Labour and the Tories. But our constant population shooting up makes a massive difference. And until the government pulls its finger out it will continue to make a difference.

 

[Astute]

I didn't say that did I. I repeat-immigration is greater from outside the EU and the Tories did nothing to address it because deep down they know that we lack enough of our own workers to fill the gap. If you're blaming immigration for your woes and think leaving the EU will solve it you're looking in the wrong direction. That and we already had the power to send back EU migrants.

Arguments about not wanting more integration with Europe I disagree with, but are at least based on the objective reality of where the EU is heading. But let's be honest, it wasn't about that for most Leave voters according to any poll done on the subject.

Some put it down to a lack of intelligence. Yeah OK. So intelligent people only voted remain?

My woes? I'm doing OK thanks. You ask how people are affected. I replied. It became my problem.

 

[Astute]

I have to get a train to work each day, it’s a 5 minute journey. It’s delayed by at least 10 mins a day and it’s not even peak rush hour

The lines have reached their peak all over. Something needs to be done. And there isn't enough room on the roads for more cars. The railways needs billions investing all over. But so do the roads.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Some put it down to a lack of intelligence. Yeah OK. So intelligent people only voted remain?

My woes? I'm doing OK thanks. You ask how people are affected. I replied. It became my problem.

I meant 'you' in place of 'one'. It sounds harsh but sorry, the general public is reasonably selfish and not that bright.

 

[Sick Boy]

Why is it my issue?

It is an issue. Some....including yourself.....try to make out it isn't an issue. You try and tell those affected by homelessness that it isn't an issue. Yes it is down to both Labour and the Tories. But our constant population shooting up makes a massive difference. And until the government pulls its finger out it will continue to make a difference.

So how far back to go? Do you have issues with the Indian and Pakistani communities who were effectively invited over here? The government needs to actually invest money across the country rather than fixating on the SE and take some responsibility. Of course it suits them for others to be blamed for their inability to invest, it’s letting them off the hook.

It’s not as thought there is mass unemployment with British people out of work and foreigners stealing their jobs.

Do you also take issue with people living longer? I recently saw a statistic that 25% of the UK population will be 65+ in 2050. If that’s the case, hopefully the country will still be attractive for migrants to come here!

 

[SIR ERNIE]

And really thick to vote for Corbyn as leader of the new revolution and believe he was pro Europe

haha yes and incredibly dense to march through London with Remainers singing ‘Oh Jeremy Corbyn’.

 

[Sick Boy]

The lines have reached their peak all over. Something needs to be done. And there isn't enough room on the roads for more cars. The railways needs billions investing all over. But so do the roads.

To be fair they seem to have been widening the M1 for the last 10 years and installing smart motorways. Saying that I actually managed to walk into a pothole in Brighton today and actually got my leg stuck in it haha.

It’s shocking that it’s cheaper to drive than get a train, I’m off up to the Midlands this weekend and sold my car so am the mercy of the train. It’s something like 70 for a weekend return, it’s nonsense

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

To be fair they seem to have been widening the M1 for the last 10 years and installing smart motorways. Saying that I actually managed to walk into a pothole in Brighton today and actually got my leg stuck in it haha.

It’s shocking that it’s cheaper to drive than get a train, I’m off up to the Midlands this weekend and sold my car so am the mercy of the train. It’s something like 70 for a weekend return, it’s nonsense

I used to make that journey and only afforded it by changing a few million times and booking centuries in advance. Maybe exaggerating slightly.

 

[Sick Boy]

I used to make that journey and only afforded it by changing a few million times and booking centuries in advance. Maybe exaggerating slightly.

I used to do it on the Kensington Olympia line up to Watford, if I was particularly poor it’d end up being the London Midland from Mk, which was dreadful.

 

[martcov]

I don’t know if I imagined it but I’m sure he said on one post he takes something like a model uk telephone box on these tours

No, not at the moment. I did have a full size replica of the door area of Number 10 Downing Street though...( used that for the England stand in Hamburg in the World Cup Village in the Public viewing area in 2006 and other things ), and I did actually have a model telephone cell and a red post box at one time though. Used them on Britain promotions and Road Shows. So you were not that far wrong, just well out of date.

 

[martcov]

If not, I'm sure he'll put you right .

Of course I will. Fact based discussions are always better.

 

[SIR ERNIE]

Interesting shift in the ‘Will the UK exit by 29.03.19’ betting market.

For the first time ‘No’ is now odds on favourite over ‘yes’.

 

[martcov]

Hard to disagree with this. Engineers, dentists, doctors, nurses, scientists, plasterers, bricklayers, electricians etc. What we don't need is strawberries from eastern England 365 days a year .

Do we get them? A mine of information.

 

[martcov]

Yet we keep needing even more because of the population going up so fast. We need schools building. We need hospitals building. We need homes building. We need more teachers. We need mire medical staff. We need HR2 to take the strain off the railway network (allegedly). And the more the population goes up the more we need. To pay for this the tax we pay needs to go up.

Age plays a role as well. The baby boomers will be needing more care in the next few years.

 

[Alan Dugdales Moustache]

Of course I will. Fact based discussions are always better.

Not in your case they're not. You're much better with scaremongering hysterics and telling us about your successful life.

 

[clint van damme]

Not in your case they're not. You're much better with scaremongering hysterics and telling us about your successful life.

Do you ever contribute to the debate or do you just make snide remarks all the time?

 

[Alan Dugdales Moustache]

Do you ever contribute to the debate or do you just make snide remarks all the time?

Yes to both. It's not really a debate though is it ? Mainly mudslinging and blame, so piss taking is far, far better. If you're talking about your euro mate he's absolutely class.

 

[clint van damme]

Yes to both. It's not really a debate though is it ? Mainly mudslinging and blame, so piss taking is far, far better. If you're talking about your euro mate he's absolutely class.

I'd say by and large it is a debate. It's been going on for over 2 years and yes, at times, it's descended onto mudslinging but in general it's people expressing their point of view on one of the biggest political issues for decades

I don't think anyone is claiming to be an expert but I think we've all learnt a little bit along the way and when you look at some of the bollocks spouted by our politicians I don't think the contributors to 5his thread have? in general, done too badly.

 

[Alan Dugdales Moustache]

I'd say by and large it is a debate. It's been going on for over 2 years and yes, at times, it's descended onto mudslinging but in general it's people expressing their point of view on one of the biggest political issues for decades

I don't think anyone is claiming to be an expert but I think we've all learnt a little bit along the way and when you look at some of the bollocks spouted by our politicians I don't think the contributors to 5his thread have? in general, done too badly.

Good post.
One particular participant thinks they are the font of all knowledge and doesn't mind being increasingly belligerant towards those who are obviously seen as inferior. He needs a bit of ribbing but he's taking it in a very good spirit.

 

[martcov]

Not in your case they're not. You're much better with scaremongering hysterics and telling us about your successful life.

I haven’t said my life is successful. You said something that wasn’t true and Grendel said something that wasn’t far off. You asked me what I was doing and I told you. As for any scaremongering tactics, don’t blame me for pointing out the arguments of experts and other facts. Just believe in Brexit and we’ll be fine.

 

[martcov]

Yes to both. It's not really a debate though is it ? Mainly mudslinging and blame, so piss taking is far, far better. If you're talking about your euro mate he's absolutely class.

We were doing alright until you barged in.

 

[martcov]

Yes to both. It's not really a debate though is it ? Mainly mudslinging and blame, so piss taking is far, far better. If you're talking about your euro mate he's absolutely class.

The snide remarks bit I get, but apart from the comment on 365 days of Eastern English strawberries, I have not noticed any meaningful contributions.

 

[Astute]

I meant 'you' in place of 'one'. It sounds harsh but sorry, the general public is reasonably selfish and not that bright.

Half correct.

The general public is selfish. They want what they see is best for themselves. You see as staying in the EU as best for you. So it is what you want. Sod those affected by anything. It is natural. If you were not selfish you would consider others more. But when you consider others more you get it rammed down your throat that you are biased

It is dead simple. Not everyone does well out of us being in the EU. But it seems like you see them as being selfish for wanting to leave the EU.

Thick? So intelligent people voted remain and thick people voted leave? Thanks for calling me intelligent :shifty:

If you are intelligent as you say how about recognising the problems millions of people suffer and try considering why they voted leave. Then join me on having it rammed down your throat that you are biased against the EU when all you are doing is looking at both sides of the coin.

 

[Astute]

So how far back to go? Do you have issues with the Indian and Pakistani communities who were effectively invited over here? The government needs to actually invest money across the country rather than fixating on the SE and take some responsibility. Of course it suits them for others to be blamed for their inability to invest, it’s letting them off the hook.

It’s not as thought there is mass unemployment with British people out of work and foreigners stealing their jobs.

Do you also take issue with people living longer? I recently saw a statistic that 25% of the UK population will be 65+ in 2050. If that’s the case, hopefully the country will still be attractive for migrants to come here!

Issues?

There is a big difference between having to apply so the numbers can be controlled and what must be at least half a billion that have the passport that gives them the right to come here without permission.

Are you saying we had the problems back then that we have now?

 

[Astute]

To be fair they seem to have been widening the M1 for the last 10 years and installing smart motorways. Saying that I actually managed to walk into a pothole in Brighton today and actually got my leg stuck in it haha.

It’s shocking that it’s cheaper to drive than get a train, I’m off up to the Midlands this weekend and sold my car so am the mercy of the train. It’s something like 70 for a weekend return, it’s nonsense

Same as everything. Supply and demand.

The wife went to Manchester with a mate last weekend. 2 hours in car or £150 each on the train. They were having a drink so got the coach for £15.

 

[Astute]

Age plays a role as well. The baby boomers will be needing more care in the next few years.

And all these millions of people coming here will need care in the future. Where does it stop?

 

[martcov]

Issues?

There is a big difference between having to apply so the numbers can be controlled and what must be at least half a billion that have the passport that gives them the right to come here without permission.

Are you saying we had the problems back then that we have now?

FOM gives them permission. You claim that millions are suffering because of the EU. That is very debatable. The main reason being the collapse in 2008 and the resulting austerity program, together with neglect of most places north of Watford Gap. You turn it into EU membership and blame all problems on FOM. Thus letting the Tories off the hook. Yet you claim to be a remainer and a labour supporter.

 

[martcov]

Issues?

There is a big difference between having to apply so the numbers can be controlled and what must be at least half a billion that have the passport that gives them the right to come here without permission.

Are you saying we had the
back then that we have now?

Half a billion includes us and who says how many will make use of that right? The trend is downwards anyway as other countries get richer and the pound continues to fall