Open Letter to Supporters (2 Viewers)

[Grendel]

SISU originally had a plan to return the club to the Premiership, and actually put funding in to the club. When that failed they turned their attention to obtaining the Ricoh. While the original "Operation Premiership" was just prior to SISU taking over, I refer to SISU's attempts at gaining promotion. They did not declare "Operation Premiership" any more than they did "Operation Get the Ricoh as Cheaply as Possible", but the intention was there...

Go to Wembley by any chance?

 

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[skybluestevie]

Go to Wembley by any chance?

I was there for the FA Cup Final and the Charity Shield. Your point is?

 

[Ashdown]

Wait a minute, aren't you the one trying to say people are defending SISU because they have a different opinion? Feel free to gather some quotes from this thread?

Yep, there certainly is a pattern with those who want it to die that don't really bother and want to call others "SISU lovers".

I've not actually seen one individual saying they want the club to die ? This is about finding a resolution and right now the only people who can find one that matters are two London based hedge funds.....great innit !

 

[Nick]

The trust has been writing letters to all parties asking them to get a deal together regularly for months haven’t they? Been ticking lots of boxes for quite a while then haven’t they? What else would you like to see either the Jimmy Hill Way or the Trust do exactly? How many boxes are you willing to tick yourself? Sorry, my mistake, you’ve already confirmed that you’re not doing that. Unless the box is moaning about no one else doing it.

I have called SISU twats, Wasps twats, the council twats. All ticked. Effectively the same isn't it without all of the other paragraphs?

For starters, I'd like to see them attending home games and encouraging everybody to back the football club and show how much it means them. Maybe try and get a bit of passion for CCFC, if a loved relative was at risk of dying you wouldn't jab them in the head.

Maybe ask the council what was meant by the statements they made when the original deal was done and what the point of it was? It was both written and said verbally by the council leader. Even if it is asking that one day if SISU go, what protection does the club have other than relying on Wasps. Just clarification on what was actually meant by it as it isn't matching up with what is being said now.

There is still room to pressure SISU, their investors, other business links, investments aside from CCFC. Speak with St Helens to see what the deal is there.

The trust isn't speaking on behalf of fans or it's members at the moment. Is it?

 

[Nick]

I've not actually seen one individual saying they want the club to die ? This is about finding a resolution and right now the only people who can find one that matters are two London based hedge funds.....great innit !

Have you not seen Sky Blue Dreamer then?

 

[Captain Dart]

This is what the Council have to say. It is perfectly accurate for them to say a solution is possible provided SISU drop the legal action. Just what is the point of it because it will fail.

The statement in full
The joint statement from Councillor George Duggins, leader of the council, and Councillor Gary Ridley, leader of the Conservative opposition said: “In 2014 when the Ricoh Arena was sold, it was well-publicised that Coventry City Football Club (CCFC) and its owners believed it would be moving at the end of its existing lease to a new stadium it intended to build.

"This was the reason why Coventry City Council ensured the existing tenancy was honoured as part of any sale to Wasps. No organisation can guarantee a future tenancy at a development they no longer own.

“As we said earlier this week, the fact that CCFC is now struggling to have a confirmed ground to play in from next season cannot be the responsibility of Coventry City Council, particularly when this is a direct consequence of the owners of CCFC deciding to continue with their litigation to which the football club is very clearly a party.

"Whilst we can respect their right to pursue legal proceedings, we cannot be held responsible for the implications of them doing so.

“There remains an easy solution to all of this which has been clearly outlined by Wasps since extending the football club’s license to play at the Ricoh Arena in February this year – that talks could start as soon as all legal proceedings are dropped.

"That is entirely in the gift of the owners of CCFC.”

 

[Covstu]

Looking at the reaction to the Trusts statement on facebook, twitter and on here it seems they've massively misjudged the feeling among supporters. Hopefully they will act swiftly to put things right.

Yes I’m sure they will.....:banghead:

 

[letsallsingtogether]

Guess they will be returning to home games then? Will they stop with the talk of trying to kill the club or boycott to pick up the scraps so they can try and run it themselves?

They have put a sentence in them saying "we hope wasps will do a deal". Like I said earlier, how much of that will be followed up going forward or is it just a box ticking exercise so they can say "we did call Wasps out".

What are you on about most of them do go to home games quite a few are ST holders.

 

[Nick]

This is what the Council have to say. It is perfectly accurate for them to say a solution is possible provided SISU drop the legal action. Just what is the point of it because it will fail.

It isn't that accurate as it is completely ignoring what they said when the original deal was done.

Not sure why they are saying there is an easy solution for CCFC, they know this, we know this.

 

[skybluetony176]

I have called SISU twats, Wasps twats, the council twats. All ticked. Effectively the same isn't it without all of the other paragraphs?

For starters, I'd like to see them attending home games and encouraging everybody to back the football club and show how much it means them. Maybe try and get a bit of passion for CCFC, if a loved relative was at risk of dying you wouldn't jab them in the head.

Maybe ask the council what was meant by the statements they made when the original deal was done and what the point of it was? It was both written and said verbally by the council leader. Even if it is asking that one day if SISU go, what protection does the club have other than relying on Wasps. Just clarification on what was actually meant by it as it isn't matching up with what is being said now.

There is still room to pressure SISU, their investors, other business links, investments aside from CCFC. Speak with St Helens to see what the deal is there.

The trust isn't speaking on behalf of fans or it's members at the moment. Is it?

You’ve called SISU and Wasps twats. Ooo, you’re hard. I can’t believe a deal hasn’t been done as you’ve called them both twats.

Who exactly is missing home games? They can’t make people attend games anymore than I can make you take a morning off to write to all the parties concerned asking them to get around the table and get a deal done. And let’s not pretend that they don’t promote the club, they do plenty. Something happening Monday night in conjunction with the FPA for starters.

Why don’t you ask the council yourself? Me and another poster have even given you a link to all the councillors email addresses. Why do you always need someone else to do for you what you should be doing for yourself? Who wipes your arse exactly? Are you walking around with shitty nickers because you’re waiting for someone else to wipe it for you. They’ve been writing to the council and all parties for months asking them to get a deal done. They’re not all of a sudden jumping on a bandwagon, they’ve been working on this since the season kicked off.

 

[Nick]

What are you on about most of them do go to home games quite a few are ST holders.

The board? Do the majority go to games now?

I am happy to be corrected, fair play if so! (I know Moz does and fair play to him). Others are very vocal that they won't.

 

[letsallsingtogether]

I was there for the FA Cup Final and the Charity Shield. Your point is?

Wham bam

 

[Nick]

You’ve called SISU and Wasps twats. Ooo, you’re hard. I can’t believe a deal hasn’t been done as you’ve called them both twats.

Who exactly is missing home games? They can’t make people attend games anymore than I can make you take a morning off to write to all the parties concerned asking them to get around the table and get a deal done. And let’s not pretend that they don’t promote the club, they do plenty. Something happening Monday night in conjunction with the FPA for starters.

Why don’t you ask the council yourself? Me and another poster have even given you a link to all the councillors email addresses. Why do you always need someone else to do for you what you should be doing for yourself? Who wipes your arse exactly? Are you walking around with shitty nickers because you’re waiting for someone else to wipe it for you. They’ve been writing to the council and all parties for months asking them to get a deal done. They’re not all of a sudden jumping on a bandwagon, they’ve been working on this since the season kicked off.

Im not saying I am hard, I am saying I have effectively done the same as I have ticked off boxes that calls them all out.

I was meaning more the people at the trust, maybe arrange a game to get to the ricoh to get behind the team. Get everybody in sky blue and have a sky blue takeover the Ricoh. When is the last time you heard them make a statement saying everybody get behind CCFC? Everybody get to the Ricoh and show you care?

So if the Trust aren't going to do anything or listen to any suggestions and the reply is just "do it yourself" or "stand for the board" then what's the point of them? It's all well and good you saying I don't do anything, I have already said last time when I started to try and help but then they had a meeting with Wasps and did a U turn to just aimlessly shout SISU over and over. I have spent a good while making constructive suggestions directly with them that get completely ignored too. (dont expect a "oh you are so great we will do everything you say" in the slightest, just a reply would have done or what they thought about them).

 

[letsallsingtogether]

The board? Do the majority go to games now?

I am happy to be corrected, fair play if so!

The chairman of the Trust has ST along with his son Steve also used to have a ST with his wife when he was Chairman.

What makes you think they don't attend?

 

[Nick]

The chairman of the Trust has ST along with his son Steve also used to have a ST with his wife when he was Chairman.

What makes you think they don't attend?

Sorry, just updated to say I know Moz does and fair play to him as he doesnt seem to have got involved with all of the boycott stuff personally.

What about the others? Some of the others seem quite vocal about not going... Thats why I wondered how many of them actually went.

Pushing an "everybody get behind CCFC" approach would work. Saying "we stand with ccfc community" while boycotting or choosing not to go doesn't stand up does it?

 

[letsallsingtogether]

Im not saying I am hard, I am saying I have effectively done the same as I have ticked off boxes that calls them all out.

I was meaning more the people at the trust, maybe arrange a game to get to the ricoh to get behind the team. Get everybody in sky blue and have a sky blue takeover the Ricoh. When is the last time you heard them make a statement saying everybody get behind CCFC? Everybody get to the Ricoh and show you care?

So if the Trust aren't going to do anything or listen to any suggestions and the reply is just "do it yourself" or "stand for the board" then what's the point of them? It's all well and good you saying I don't do anything, I have already said last time when I started to try and help but then they had a meeting with Wasps and did a U turn to just aimlessly shout SISU over and over. I have spent a good while making constructive suggestions directly with them that get completely ignored too. (dont expect a "oh you are so great we will do everything you say" in the slightest, just a reply would have done or what they thought about them).

These suggestions have been listened to and talked about. But like asking people to boycott a certain game asking people to go is just to hard.

 

[Nick]

These suggestions have been listened to and talked about. But like asking people to boycott a certain game asking people to go is just to hard.

What would be too hard in CCFC fans going to watch CCFC play in Coventry?

Who has talked and listened and discussed whether go explore any of the ideas further?

Like I said before, when I used to speak to Steve he would always listen, give feedback and everything but once it had to go past him he may as well just put it in a shredder.

 

[usskyblue]

So, to recap...

...the Trust is above criticism because (at least) they’re ‘doing something’ ?

 

[letsallsingtogether]

The board? Do the majority go to games now?

I am happy to be corrected, fair play if so! (I know Moz does and fair play to him). Others are very vocal that they won't.

What are you trying to say?
The majority have always gone there are 7 or 8 board members 3 have ST 2 have match packages one lives in Manchester comes when he can but none of them are NOPM and never have been.
So where do you get your info from or have you just made up to get across your argument about the trust.

 

[Grendel]

The board? Do the majority go to games now?

I am happy to be corrected, fair play if so! (I know Moz does and fair play to him). Others are very vocal that they won't.

Well......Its difficult to know who is on the board but the web page has several who say they will not go under current owners -- meet Dave

 

[Nick]

What are you trying to say?
The majority have always gone there are 7 or 8 board members 3 have ST 2 have match packages one lives in Manchester comes when he can but none of them are NOPM and never have been.
So where do you get your info from or have you just made up to get across your argument about the trust.

Where do you get your info from?





There's 2 of them. Are they different people? Have you just made up to get across your argument about the trust.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

It isn't about Wasps at all - it is about SISU / Otium!

Like I said, I stopped going and never commented on the team as I have not watched them play at home since the move to Sixfields...
Once we find new owners, I will be one of the first in the queue for tickets!

Well you are an imbecile then as your actions and thousands of others who feel morally superior will mean you don’t have a club to come back to

 

[Colin Steins Smile]

We all want a positive outcome to this debacle, but I'm seriously worried that protests directed at the games will adversely impact on the team.

So far, Joy has not been bothered by our negative chants, running on the pitch, throwing pigs, banners, etc. So repeating the same tactics is very unlikely to have any impact, as SISU seem to be only holding onto the club as a vehicle for litigation, in the hope of seeking damages. It doesn't really matter to them if we play in Division 1 or non-league, as the club is run on a neutral cash basis.

If we can direct our protests towards Joy and her investors to the point there is a negative impact on revenues of their other businesses, then we might have chance of getting SISU to stop the court case and focus on improving the club.

 

[Adge]

The blunt way of saying is we’ve tried to oust SISU for years and they’ve shown they don’t care.

Wasps on the other hand are trying to gain a foothold in the city, and being complicit in the death of its 130 year old, founding member of the premier league football team wouldn’t be good.

With their finances, they would be a weaker target. I’ve championed this and once the deal is done we go back to fighting SISU

Unfortunately for our more weak minded fans if a deal gets done and we are allowed to stay at the Ricoh (which we all want) the heat will again be off Sisu and again the status quo will be accepted.

 

[fernandopartridge]

If we can direct our protests towards Joy and her investors to the point there is a negative impact on revenues of their other businesses, then we might have chance of getting SISU to stop the court case and focus on improving the club.

Such as?

 

[skybluetony176]

So, to recap...

...the Trust is above criticism because (at least) they’re ‘doing something’ ?

The trust isn’t above criticism but when the criticism is that they haven’t done something that they have then the criticism isn’t warranted. When the criticism is that they’ve ticked a box and will now move on when in fact they’ve been ticking that box repeatedly since the start of the season and continue to tick that box with no sign of moving on then that criticism isn’t warranted. When the criticism is that that they’ve supported a statement from another supporters group when actually if you read the original statement in full all it really does (aside from lump TF in with SISU) is support the stance of the open letter issued by CCFC itself in that CCFC isn’t SISU then the criticism isn’t warranted. It’s almost like those doing the criticising are not actually aware of what the trust has been doing all season, not read the Jimmy Hill Way statement and presumably not read the open letter issued by the club either. Yes at least the trust are doing something, whereas those doing the criticising clearly can’t be arsed to do the due diligence to see if there’s anything to criticise. It’s a case of the trust has said something so there’s an assumption that there’s something to criticise.

 

[letsallsingtogether]

Well......Its difficult to know who is on the board but the web page has several who say they will not go under current owners -- meet Dave

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Where does it say he doesn't go?
Hasn't renewed his season ticket like a lot of other supporters who still go to games.

 

[Adge]

How do you get to that from that post?

Like I said, people give it the SISU lover line and 9 times out of 10 they won't bother with CCFC themselves anyway.

That may be true-but maybe that’s because of Sisu?

 

[Adge]

Which is where our fans will be gloating that it has really shown SISU

Don’t you mean a few-not the majority me thinks?

 

[fernandopartridge]

Where does it say he doesn't go?
Hasn't renewed his season ticket like a lot of other supporters who still go to games.

His statement was made with clear intent, it was trying to convey that he won't go any more.

 

[Grendel]

His statement was made with clear intent, it was trying to convey that he won't go any more.

Other than the Chairman they all say the same thing. One idiot suggests that the ultimate sign of how far we have fallen is that Brentford are in a higher league

 

[Otis]

I agree. I'll call a moron a moron (some deserve it!) if they decide to go in full offensive guns blazing, but if they want to debate the issues, debate the issues.

Personally I find the constant banging of the 'SISU are not CCFC' drum tiresome. That's a literal statement that's still as much use to anybody as saying I am not a potato. Ultimately, the paymasters control what happens to Otium Entertainment Group, trading as Coventry City Football Club, so it's hardly surprising they're linked.

(And no, I don't think that legal action means a deal can't be made, I don't think that letting Wasps off is at all appropriate, but I do think the constant focus on that is actually really... pointless)

Totally agree.

Pointless nitpicking over the fine detailed semantics of it all. Sisu are the puppet masters of the club.

It's counterproductively deflecting from the actual situation and from the focus we need to have.

 

[skybluestevie]

Well you are an imbecile then as your actions and thousands of others who feel morally superior will mean you don’t have a club to come back to

So I am an imbecile...

Who is the bigger fool, the person who refuses to fund the parasite that is feeding of the club, or the person who continues to line their pockets in spite of all they have done to the detriment of the club?

Unfortunately, I am not in the financial position that I can throw money at a London Hedge Fund that I despise in the hope that they will suddenly decide they have taken enough money from me and it is time to find a different venture. I tend to believe that the reason they are still here is because they are still fleecing enough money from Super Supporters such as yourself to make it worth their while...

 

[Nick]

So I am an imbecile...

Who is the bigger fool, the person who refuses to fund the parasite that is feeding of the club, or the person who continues to line their pockets in spite of all they have done to the detriment of the club?

Unfortunately, I am not in the financial position that I can throw money at a London Hedge Fund that I despise in the hope that they will suddenly decide they have taken enough money from me and it is time to find a different venture. I tend to believe that the reason they are still here is because they are still fleecing enough money from Super Supporters such as yourself to make it worth their while...

How are people going to games lining their pockets exactly?

This is an example, nw and Otis is why things go on and on. People who popup just to push this shite, 50 quid says they won't be able to back any of it up.

 

[Grendel]

So I am an imbecile...

Who is the bigger fool, the person who refuses to fund the parasite that is feeding of the club, or the person who continues to line their pockets in spite of all they have done to the detriment of the club?

Unfortunately, I am not in the financial position that I can throw money at a London Hedge Fund that I despise in the hope that they will suddenly decide they have taken enough money from me and it is time to find a different venture. I tend to believe that the reason they are still here is because they are still fleecing enough money from Super Supporters such as yourself to make it worth their while...

Christ you really are a cretin