I agree that our economy is based on ever more people. At sometime something has to change.
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I agree that our economy is based on ever more people. At sometime something has to change.
Sick Boy
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Yeah, whatever you say. Most of what you’ve commented on there is made up again, I don’t think I’ve ever said that Romanians don’t have many kids.
You just make it up as you go along and try and scupper any meaningful debate that could be had. You were at it the other week with a whopper but I genuinely can’t be bothered to go back and check.
You always bring everything back to your dislike of EU migrants and blaming them for people being homeless, the trains, roads etc. We get it, you don’t like migrants coming into the country.
No. Accept things as they are at the moment. If we can come with a better idea of controlling population growth without banning people from having children, or killing people, then bring it on. It won’t change in our life times. Maybe one day we, our grand children, will just have robots to produce what we need and care for us.
Sick Boy
Super Moderator
It’s been a complete disregard of infrastructure, investment in education etc. The country has been badly run and that doesn’t look like changing any time soon.
Astute
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How about one point.
Show where I dislike EU migrants.
You said I was scapegoating migrants when I said what CVD said tonight. But you said nothing to him. Why not?
Astute
Well-Known Member
Yet you have ignored when I have said this other than when you tried to defend Labour.
What a joke.
Astute
Well-Known Member
So in other words your plan is to carry on as now and hope for the best.
Yet you have a go at our governments for doing the same.
Sick Boy
Super Moderator
I haven’t seen him continually blame migrants for people being homeless, family members not receiving hospital treatment [i am sorry to mention this but I found it strange you’d even try and link that to EU FoM] and people not being able to get on the housing ladder, amongst a host of other problems.
Yet you’ve managed to link all of them to FoM. It’d be fair enough if you just came out and said you’re against it rather than just claiming to ‘speak the truth’.
Look at the recent UN report,it’s time many started looking closer to home and blaming the real culprits for the rising levels of inequality and poverty.
It’s no different to those at the top blaming people on benefits rather than looking at people avoiding paying millions in tax.
No. I don’t have a go at governments for following the system we have of employing people and trying to care for people ( at least some try ). I just don’t think it can go on ad infinitum. In my lifetime it will go on, and in the foreseeable future, but at some distant future time people may come up with a better idea. But, the next problem of population will come up shortly with the ageing baby boomers. That is foreseeable.
Astute
Well-Known Member
This is how you twist things. I haven't blamed anyone but past governments. I have said though that the more people who move here the worse it will get until the government finally does something about the situation. That isn't just homes. That is also the full infrastructure.
Do you disagree that this is what I have said?
Do you disagree that it is true?
Exactly.
Sorry Grendel. I don’t think Norway wants us in their EFTA club:
"I think you would mess it all up for us, the way you have messed it all up for yourselves."
Heidi Nordby Lunde, president of Norway's European Movement, is sceptical about calls for the UK to strike a Norway-style deal with the EU.
"I think you would mess it all up for us, the way you have messed it all up for yourselves."
Heidi Nordby Lunde, president of Norway's European Movement, is sceptical about calls for the UK to strike a Norway-style deal with the EU.
They know that a few years down the line they'll be blamed for whatever our current government is fucking up. Really not worth the hassle.
Yeah, they need the approval of Iceland and Liechtenstein to do anything and they think the UK wouldn’t fit in with the balance..
Grendel
Well-Known Member
Norway do not control the entry rules - we are already in the EFTA
The zeal in your tone also shows what a disturbed and unpleasant person you are
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Alan Dugdales Moustache
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I don't think waiting around will help. We're going to create one huge conurbation from London to Manchester, Sheffield to Newcastle and then the government of the day will declare that employment has never been better and the Jubilee Line extension to Salford Quays will create another 25,000 jobs over the next 10 years. At the rate this country's population continues unabated , this scenario isn't many decades away.
shmmeee
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We’ve built on sonething 3% of land in the UK. There’s a reason it looks green from the air. We could easily fit more people in if that’s the decision we make. And we could fund their services and more with their tax money as well.
Lack of housing, NHS underfunding, cutting medical training, etc are political choices made by respective governments. Same as allowing Eastern European recent entrants to the EU to move here in the 2000s. We haven’t voted Leave from the UK Parliament.
The pace of change and resulting difficulties with integration is a worry. As is the competition in low wage areas of the job market IMO. But there’s a good argument that immigration is needed and it may as well be from somewhere like the EU with transferable qualifications and standardised markets.
dancers lance
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I love this bullshit 3%, this 3% is calculated against the total land mass of the UK. So let's be a bit more genuine, millions of hectares are privately owned in the UK, can't be built on, many millions of hectares are MOD owned, likewise millions owned by the crown, national trust, various religious twats, forestry commission and many millions designated national parks and protected world heritage sites, Massive parts of the UK are mountainous ranges, eroding coastlines, tarns, lochs, lakes, tidal estuaries, flood plains marsh and moorland etc. When you deduct these, it looks it tad different.
Sick Boy
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Sick Boy
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Rudd has now said that the EEA could be a viable alternative, which as I’ve said before is where I can see the country ending up in the long-term.
Corbyn’s claims about securing a better deal if he got into power sound like wishful thinking to me, especially as the EU has said that it would not be willing to renegotiate.
Corbyn’s claims about securing a better deal if he got into power sound like wishful thinking to me, especially as the EU has said that it would not be willing to renegotiate.
skybluetony176
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I’ve repeatedly said to you that the issue is failure of multiple governments over decades to invest in the infrastructure our economy demands (so many times in fact that as soon as I start typing that sentence my iPhone brings it up as a predictive option and I don’t even have to type it up in full) and you’ve repeatedly dismissed it with “and I suppose immigration/freedom of movement/EU has nothing to do with it” or any variation of that. Now you’re denying it and accusing others of twisting. Classic Astute.
skybluetony176
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The only real difference of what Corbyn is suggesting is a permanent customs union but depending on who you listen to the backstop is going to be that anyway so is he really suggesting anything different in the first place? Not really would be my opinion. If they force an election and win it probably will be the easiest negotiations ever because all they’ve really got to do is remove the back stop and replace it with something that the EU would prefer anyway. Job done. It’s the smallest of technicalities and May has already done the rest. Irony being that if May took heed of cross party consensus in the first place instead of going on a suicide mission of out means out trying to garner leave voters she wouldn’t be in the position she is and Brexit would be best part done just waiting for March to arrive so it could be implemented and she wouldn’t be fighting for her job.
skybluetony176
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One question. Are bodies of water such as lochs, lakes etc land masses? I would think not.
Astute
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A bit out with your numbers but I agree with just about everything else.
In England we have built on 8.8% of the land. This includes roads and other buildings of sorts. 72.9% is farmland. 14.5% is natural. This includes woodlands, marshland, mountains and similar. 3.8% is green urban. This is park land and greenery in urban areas. We are already building on flood plains.
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The latest plan is to build on farmland. It is the best way forward where enough homes can be built in one go. But how much farmland can we afford to build on? The more we have live here the more food we need to grow.
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Milton Keynes Council - Plan:MK, Strategic Development Directions, January - April 2016 - Section 4 Development Directions
SIR ERNIE
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Your delight at having found something which you thought could be a source of humiliation for the UK is palpable.
SIR ERNIE
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This is more about Rudd positioning herself as a candidate for Leader rather than anything else.
No. It’s just a fact. Keep on believing.
skybluetony176
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We can all take personal responsibility for that by simply turning vegetarian. It takes something like 8 more acres a year to feed a meat eater than it does a vegetarian, the number is even greater between vegans and meat eaters. Aside from all the required pasture land the meat and dairy industry also demands high amounts of land for growing cattle feeds.
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tbf, Brighton has gone stupidly, daftly expensive!
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Cameron 2 - Built his reputation on saving the EU, but a catestrophic blunder has cost him and his team.
Johnson 5 - Marauds down the right and offers occasional forays, but his positional sense is lacking and it's not clear where he's supposed to be.
Rees Mogg 5 - Seems tough tackling, to snuff out danger, but he's got little vision in how to move forward.
Davis - 3 Woefully unfit, constantly left wanting when needed, went missing entirely when the chips were down.
McDonnell 6 - A surprisingly steady effort on the left.
Farage 8 - Made the right wing position his own, played a blinder. Accusations he's more show than go and is a one-trick pony but, for this period, he's done what he needed to do.
May 4 - Claims to be a steadying influence but lacks vision, and struggles to link right and left together. in danger of losing her place.
Gove 3 - Supposedly the creative spark to burst Brexit to life, he's ended up passing to the opposition all too often. Would you want him on your team?
Corbyn 3 - The veteran left winger has seemed to have the skills but he goes missing in the big referenda, and he takes the opportunity to pass to another policy all too often.
Barnier 5 - Brings some foreign glamour to the show, but doesn't foster a team spirit.
Cable 2 - Missed chance after chance to impose himself and strike for home. Totally anonymous.
You seem to forget that we are where we are because of people like yourself voting leave. We are a distressed trading partner looking at potential options like joining Norway in EFTA, along with Liechtenstein and Iceland. That may appear humiliating, but you and your ilk have put us there. I pointed it out and you don’t like it. The blame for our situation certainly doesn’t apply to me because I was denied a vote, although my rights under FOM will be taken away.
You haven’t mentioned the bench. Tommy Robinson will be brought on from the start for the next game. I don’t rate Batten at all. Too old and can only play on the far right. Robinson could certainly smash through the opponents centre backs, but will have trouble playing on the left. Let’s see what happens on Sunday with Robinson‘s Brexit debut.
Sick Boy
Super Moderator
Yeah compared to 10-15 years ago rents have increased 100%. Loads or buy to let landlords taking advantage of the student market and families selling houses in London and moving down and pushing up asking prices