The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (47 Viewers)

[NorthernWisdom]

Yeah compared to 10-15 years ago rents have increased 100%. Loads or buy to let landlords taking advantage of the student market and families selling houses in London and moving down and pushing up asking prices

I wish when I lived in London (working for a company with a base fairly close to Brighton) I'd bought a property - would have set me up for life!

 

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[Astute]

I’ve repeatedly said to you that the issue is failure of multiple governments over decades to invest in the infrastructure our economy demands (so many times in fact that as soon as I start typing that sentence my iPhone brings it up as a predictive option and I don’t even have to type it up in full) and you’ve repeatedly dismissed it with “and I suppose immigration/freedom of movement/EU has nothing to do with it” or any variation of that. Now you’re denying it and accusing others of twisting. Classic Astute.

Now I remember why I have you blocked.

So are you joining Mart and SB in saying that FOM has made no difference to our lack of investment in housing and infrastructure?

And why don't you question others on saying the same thing that agree with you on most things?

 

[Sick Boy]

Now I remember why I have you blocked.

So are you joining Mart and SB in saying that FOM has made no difference to our lack of investment in housing and infrastructure?

And why don't you question others on saying the same thing that agree with you on most things?

Yeah cos you’re always calling out pro-Brexit posts.

So you’re now blaming FoM for a lack of investment in infrastructure?

 

[martcov]

In what? Democracy?
Unlike you I will.

Oh good. If parliament does go for a people’s vote on the deal, no deal or no Brexit you will be all for it then? Great we at last agree on something.

 

[martcov]

In what? Democracy?
Unlike you I will.

Yes. Here is a great example of democracy in action:

Revealed: the hidden global network behind Tommy Robinson

 

[Astute]

Yeah cos you’re always calling out pro-Brexit posts.

So you’re now blaming FoM for a lack of investment in infrastructure?

You know it isn't what I am saying. Because you 'like' other posters that say exactly the same as me. But you say I am scapegoating immigrants for saying exactly the same thing.

Try reading what I said again.

The government is to blame. But FOM makes the situation worse. This isn't blaming FOM. This is saying we are not investing in homes/infrastructure that is needed to cope. Just like we are not investing in homes/infrastructure for those being born. Are you now going to say I am scapegoating those who start a family?

 

[Astute]

And while we are at it what is your take on this SB?

MAGGIE PAGANO: EU must accept it needs to head to Specsavers for a new prescription | This is Money

Who am I scapegoating for this? Because Macron seems to be the French version of a Tory.

 

[Astute]

Or how about those who were celebrating the UK were forecast to have the worse growth coming out of all the EU countries

Britain's manufacturing sector booms as the eurozone's stutters | This is Money

 

[Sick Boy]

You know it isn't what I am saying. Because you 'like' other posters that say exactly the same as me. But you say I am scapegoating immigrants for saying exactly the same thing.

Try reading what I said again.

The government is to blame. But FOM makes the situation worse. This isn't blaming FOM. This is saying we are not investing in homes/infrastructure that is needed to cope. Just like we are not investing in homes/infrastructure for those being born. Are you now going to say I am scapegoating those who start a family?

I can’t say that I disagree with that but migration is going to continue post-Brexit, if it happens. As I’ve said, Brexit is not being done for the benefit of those left behind.

 

[Sick Boy]

Or how about those who were celebrating the UK were forecast to have the worse growth coming out of all the EU countries

Britain's manufacturing sector booms as the eurozone's stutters | This is Money

I don’t think I’ve seen anyone celebrate anything to do with UK suffering, the fact this thread has been going for so long is due to people believing what they’re saying is right for the country.

 

[martcov]

Or how about those who were celebrating the UK were forecast to have the worse growth coming out of all the EU countries

Britain's manufacturing sector booms as the eurozone's stutters | This is Money

Yes, the UK‘s best for 2 months and Eurozone‘s worst since 2016. caused largely by Italy‘s populists falling out with the EU over their budget.

 

[Grendel]

Yes, the UK‘s best for 2 months and Eurozone‘s worst since 2016. caused largely by Italy‘s populists falling out with the EU over their budget.

Why use populist when it’s a democratically elected government whose views differ from yours?

 

[Alan Dugdales Moustache]

You seem to forget that we are where we are because of people like yourself voting leave. We are a distressed trading partner looking at potential options like joining Norway in EFTA, along with Liechtenstein and Iceland. That may appear humiliating, but you and your ilk have put us there. I pointed it out and you don’t like it. The blame for our situation certainly doesn’t apply to me because I was denied a vote, although my rights under FOM will be taken away.

...and 17 million others. They're all wrong then ?

 

[Grendel]

I don’t think I’ve seen anyone celebrate anything to do with UK suffering, the fact this thread has been going for so long is due to people believing what they’re saying is right for the country.

If we don’t stay in the cabal Mart definitely wants the uk to suffer

 

[SIR ERNIE]

You seem to forget that we are where we are because of people like yourself voting leave.

Actually no. We are where we are because of people like you, in particular remain politicians, who refuse to accept the result of the largest vote in our history.

And just for the record, I fully expect that we won’t get a proper Brexit, perhaps no Brexit, at least not this time. It will happen eventually though, it’s inevitable.

 

[martcov]

Why use populist when it’s a democratically elected government whose views differ from yours?

Because they are populists. Read the definition in the clip from the Guardian. Bannon, who is the self appointed leader of populists counts them as part of a populist movement. Populists can be from left or right, it is about their tactics rather than their political views.

 

[martcov]

Actually no. We are where we are because of people like you, in particular remain politicians, who refuse to accept the result of the largest vote in our history.

And just for the record, I fully expect that we won’t get a proper Brexit, perhaps no Brexit, at least not this time. It will happen eventually though, it’s inevitable.

Hope you’re right, but I think that it is inevitable that we move closer together rather than apart.

 

[martcov]

If we don’t stay in the cabal Mart definitely wants the uk to suffer

I think that by leaving we will suffer. Definitely in the short term, and probably long term. By saying we should remain I am hardly hoping that the UK will suffer.

 

[clint van damme]

Rudd has now said that the EEA could be a

Actually no. We are where we are because of people like you, in particular remain politicians, who refuse to accept the result of the largest vote in our history.

And just for the record, I fully expect that we won’t get a proper Brexit, perhaps no Brexit, at least not this time. It will happen eventually though, it’s inevitable.

Ernie, we are were we are because of the incompetence of the Tories. And deep down, you know it.

 

[Grendel]

Because they are populists. Read the definition in the clip from the Guardian. Bannon, who is the self appointed leader of populists counts them as part of a populist movement. Populists can be from left or right, it is about their tactics rather than their political views.

Cheers I’m actually in a pub Mart and I bet my mate a pint that that one simple post from me would get the word Bannon from you - you never fail to disappoint - it’s good though as I have some remainer friends and I portraying you as what people in Europe think of us and how they want us to be enslaved in the EU or face misery which they will gloat at

Keep going - hopefully get a couple to swing the other way

 

[martcov]

...and 17 million others. They're all wrong then ?

Looks like it at the moment. Or do you think the present situation is a roaring success?

 

[Captain Dart]

The natives are revolting!

 

[martcov]

Cheers I’m actually in a pub Mart and I bet my mate a pint that that one simple post from me would get the word Bannon from you - you never fail to disappoint - it’s good though as I have some remainer friends and I portraying you as what people in Europe think of us and how they want us to be enslaved in the EU or face misery which they will gloat at

Keep going - hopefully get a couple to swing the other way

Glad to be of help. But seeing as you were wrong about populism, I think your round is next. Bannon formed a populist movement called Movement. So, if you want to discuss current populism you are likely to come across Bannon somewhere in the discussion.

 

[clint van damme]

The natives are revolting!

Why is kicking off in France relevant to us been the only country in the world without a trade deal come next March?

 

[Captain Dart]

Why is kicking off in France relevant to us been the only country in the world without a trade deal come next March?

L'attaque sur EU parliament n'est pas!

 

[martcov]

L'attaque sur EU parliament n'est pas!

C‘est qui que le fait? Et pourquoi?

 

[Astute]

I don’t think I’ve seen anyone celebrate anything to do with UK suffering, the fact this thread has been going for so long is due to people believing what they’re saying is right for the country.

Your memory is failing you. We were supposed to be doing the worse out of all EU countries. And we were told it was all the fault of the leave voters. But nothing would be listened to for how it was known it would happen. And it hasn't so far. Just more project fear and more people falling for it.

But it doesn't matter because hardly anyone wants the crap deal put together between May and the EU.

 

[Astute]

Yes, the UK‘s best for 2 months and Eurozone‘s worst since 2016. caused largely by Italy‘s populists falling out with the EU over their budget.

What a load of crap. The UK is still in the EU.

So you are saying that EU manufacturing depends on Italy falling out with people? :shifty: :smuggrin:

 

[Astute]

Why is kicking off in France relevant to us been the only country in the world without a trade deal come next March?

When did that happen?

 

[martcov]

What a load of crap. The UK is still in the EU.

So you are saying that EU manufacturing depends on Italy falling out with people? :shifty: :smuggrin:

No, I saying the UK isn’t in the Eurozone and that Italy‘s negative performance lowers the average performance of the Eurozone which has been ok since 2016.

 

[martcov]

When did that happen?

According to the US embassy:
Event: Large demonstrations are expected to take place on December 8, 2018 beginning at 10:00 am. The “yellow vests” will protest high fuel taxes. Additional related demonstrations in Brussels and other major cities in Belgium may also occur.

 

[martcov]

When did that happen?

https://www.google.de/amp/s/www.nst.com.my/node/438665/amp

 

[Sick Boy]

Your memory is failing you. We were supposed to be doing the worse out of all EU countries. And we were told it was all the fault of the leave voters. But nothing would be listened to for how it was known it would happen. And it hasn't so far. Just more project fear and more people falling for it.

But it doesn't matter because hardly anyone wants the crap deal put together between May and the EU.

Plenty fell for Project Fear from the leave lot about Turkey being on the verge of joining the EU and millions of Turks flocking here to work, why is it that you never mention that?

The UK is still in the EU, btw

 

[NorthernWisdom]

my mate

Now I know you're lying.

 

[Alan Dugdales Moustache]

Looks like it at the moment. Or do you think the present situation is a roaring success?

We haven't left yet and you are like a hysterical schoolchild as usual. Did you cry a lot at school if the teacher got cross ?