clint van damme
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The left don't have a view (singular), same as the right don't.
The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (258 Viewers)
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The left don't have a view (singular), same as the right don't.
skybluetony176
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Opinion polls are normally conducted of the electoral roll aren’t they?
I thought this was pretty good from Jolyon Maugham (no doubt I'll learn from someone that he was once nasty to his cleaner or something):
"Most would agree the referendum in 2016 was not a great advertisement for democracy. I would go much further: it was so flawed it gave no mandate at all. And my own tribe — liberal, powerful, globalisation’s winners — is not being honest with itself when it says we must hear the “will of the people”. In our hearts we know that to be false. It is a convenient apology for the years of neglect that fed a sense in abandoned communities that the establishment didn’t care. It is easier to affect regret than confront our failure.
But if we choose to apply a cheap salve to our guilt by ushering through a Brexit that will further denude them of agency and prosperity, we will prove them right. It will be an admission that we don’t care enough. Those communities do not need our insincerity. What they need is our genuine desire to spread more widely the fruits of globalisation. If we give them Brexit and wipe our hands and say “job done”, 2016 will not be their last, or their worst, revenge. That path is not for me. But I am not an MP and those decisions are not mine. All I can do is ask the ECJ to keep the door open, and this morning it did.
All of us who are democrats understand that it is for the people, or their elected representatives, to make the choice whether to walk through it. The boom and bust of the financial crisis was a decade ago. Since then we have had a combination of falling real wages and asset price inflation which has widened the gulf between rich and poor. We have charged the price of our failure to those who did not share in the boom or cause the bust. It is long past time we showed some moral courage."
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"Most would agree the referendum in 2016 was not a great advertisement for democracy. I would go much further: it was so flawed it gave no mandate at all. And my own tribe — liberal, powerful, globalisation’s winners — is not being honest with itself when it says we must hear the “will of the people”. In our hearts we know that to be false. It is a convenient apology for the years of neglect that fed a sense in abandoned communities that the establishment didn’t care. It is easier to affect regret than confront our failure.
But if we choose to apply a cheap salve to our guilt by ushering through a Brexit that will further denude them of agency and prosperity, we will prove them right. It will be an admission that we don’t care enough. Those communities do not need our insincerity. What they need is our genuine desire to spread more widely the fruits of globalisation. If we give them Brexit and wipe our hands and say “job done”, 2016 will not be their last, or their worst, revenge. That path is not for me. But I am not an MP and those decisions are not mine. All I can do is ask the ECJ to keep the door open, and this morning it did.
All of us who are democrats understand that it is for the people, or their elected representatives, to make the choice whether to walk through it. The boom and bust of the financial crisis was a decade ago. Since then we have had a combination of falling real wages and asset price inflation which has widened the gulf between rich and poor. We have charged the price of our failure to those who did not share in the boom or cause the bust. It is long past time we showed some moral courage."
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Westendlad
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Lolllll Mart has finally lost it
Sick Boy
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To be fair EU nationals are on that, at the moment.
Didn't know that. My mrs is an EEA citizen and could never vote on anything in the 25 years we were in the UK.
Grendel
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I was referring to the 4th Reich comment
Sick Boy
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I think it’s for the EU and local elections, I could vote in them in Italy before when I was over there.
Captain Dart
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Sick Boy
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EU figures rule out concessions as May postpones Brexit vote
It’s shocking that May is desperately clinging onto power and as with all other politicians is putting herself ahead of the best interests of the country.
It’s shocking that May is desperately clinging onto power and as with all other politicians is putting herself ahead of the best interests of the country.
Alan Dugdales Moustache
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Captain Dart
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Strong rumours the 48 letters are in to the 1922 club. After May's performance today I should bloody well hope so.
No. I said if a referendum got us into this, then we have to go that way to get out of the mess. That is not an endorsement of referendum, just it is where we are.
Westendlad
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Hardly breaking news SB..
Lolllll Mart has finally lost it
Not really. I am not going to bother with him in future.
Sick Boy
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Didn’t get a chance to look earlier on. No matter what side you’re on, it’s becoming beyond a joke
Just seen the time on it - haha!
Westendlad
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Ohhh thats sad to hear......So no xmas prezzie or card ?
Not for him. He is off my Christmas card list. How did Tommy‘s march go btw? ;-)
Alan Dugdales Moustache
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That's an understatement.Lolllll Mart has finally lost it
Sick Boy
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Yeah it wouldn’t be a surprise, I don’t see how she can come back from this, or how the country avoids a no deal scenario.
Bullshit ! And if Leave won again you'd be ranting your tits off day and night about it once more, why don't you just admit you have personal vested interest in the UK being in the EU ... I think it would give you more credibility on here and go part way to justifying your obsession.
Alan Dugdales Moustache
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That's interesting because I've more and more thought about the likelihood of a second referendum. Why do you think a no deal is likely ?
Captain Dart
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I'm thinking 2nd referendum more likely because the slime ball MPs will want to dodge responsibility for making a decision.
Jesus Christ, first time I've ever agreed with you.
My personal vested interest in the UK remaining in the EU is: I sell British products. They may become cheaper if the pound sinks. Good. There maybe delays or tariffs. Not so good as I will have to raise prices which may drop demand. Then I will sell EU probucts. I already sell Irish products, so I will sell more of those instead.
I now have dual citizenship, so I have got around the travel problem.
Do you class everything as a rant? The only time I „rant“ is when I come up against a moron. As does happen on occasions. If leave won by a small majority I would be pissed off. If leave won by 10 points or more, then I would say fair enough. You made your bed now lie in it.
Captain Dart
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I'm sorry to hear about your poor judgement, maybe it will improve with age.
Meanwhile expect 'something' to happen on the Russia/Ukraine border or the sea lanes around the Crimea while Europe's problems distract. ( attributed to Garry Kasparov )
Little changes. Letter to newspaper 1918.
Romania had just surrendered which was a real piss off for the Entente. Russia had dropped out because of the revolution and left Romania in the lurch. If the picture is genuine, Balfour would have been really anti German at that moment. I think the Palestinians would not be too impressed with Mr Balfour and have similar things to say about him.
Westendlad
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UKIP's march was amazing. Brilliant turnout ( Don't listen to the unwashed folk ).......People who actually love this country.
And if Remain won by a small majority ? At least you admit the vested interest......my draught Erdinger hasn't gone up too much despite the weak pound......only one pub within 4 miles of here has it ! Still , good luck with selling UK products, there is some great stuff out there to chose from.
Alan Dugdales Moustache
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…..you've asked for it now :happy:
Sick Boy
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One thing I’m looking to about moving to Verona is that most of the bars have that on tap. Also loads of cheap Nastro Azzuro and my personal favourite, Ichnusa. I still can’t believe how much Nastro Azzurro is over here, Peroni have pulled off a blinder with their marketing.
Yes, but the problem will be, as with my draught Newcastle, they will transfer production to the EU to avoid borders. My import Cider is classed as a wine and there is no alcohol tax on it. There is a small tax on beer imports. At the moment .
Grendel
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So you think this government should stay in power rather than a general election in which both main parties would run on a agenda to leave?
Thought you weee totally against referendums and was very critical at the first one.
Sick Boy
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Corbyn would be finished if he openly campaigned for leave. I can genuinely the current parties splitting