The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (4 Viewers)

[Ashdown]

Nevermind, there will be plenty of cheap imports coming in from America. Chlorinated chicken or chicken in a can?

Err horse meat scandal ???

 

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[Ashdown]

Nevermind, there will be plenty of cheap imports coming in from America. Chlorinated chicken or chicken in a can?

Chickengate scandal Belgium 1999

 

[SkyblueBazza]

Nevermind, there will be plenty of cheap imports coming in from America. Chlorinated chicken or chicken in a can?

Bet many many people happily eat beans or tomato or tuna from a can...so what is up with chicken from a can? Doesn't it fit your agenda???

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[SkyblueBazza]

Love that May is trying to dodge the no confidence vote by staying out of the country!

If the 48 letters are in, which is strongly being rumoured, they won't actually act on it until the Prime Minister is on UK soil.

If only May could have been so savvy in negotiations!

The same 48 as reported by the press about 2wks ago?

I have been in a position (nothing compared to being PM or leader of the Tory party) which when my job was under threat - I thought 'fck it! I have a job to do & until others show their hand fully - I will carry on & do it to the best of my ability regardless if what anyone says or does'
So I actually have a large degree of respect for her even though I disagree with lots she has done & said now & in other roles.

The fact is, you look at the alternatives & wonder if it is a case of 'better the devil you know'? She is respecting the decision of the vote (to leave the EU), & got what she believes is the best deal for the UK (with enough wriggle room to gain an aimicable settlement, I suspect)

One of the alternatives is Mr Corbyn who has brazenly called out TM for stopping a vote she believed she would not win, & in the next breath has declined to call a vote of no confidence because he doesn't believe he can win it! Credibility Jezza, credibility!!!

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[SkyblueBazza]

You do not understand position of negotiation

He doesn't understand, & is most definitely not willing to try to understand (properly) anything beyond his own viewpoint

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[SkyblueBazza]

The Johnson negotiation model. Not sure that works

But Ashdown is right to a degree. Anything but leave now will result in the idealists embarking upon living their dream...with scant regard for anyone or anything. THAT is when the real bullying begins. They have been emboldened by previous regerenda & their re-runs. A Brexit overturn would actually spell disaster for Europe - not just the EU imo.

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[SkyblueBazza]

Evidence mounting TM to face confidence vote of Tory MPs.

You believe twitter's grapevine speculation if it pleases you...it will eventually come true, perhaps. I will await the official Graham Brady announcement.

My own opinion is that the whole thing is a mess, but will sort itself out. May is far from ideal but I cannot see anyone better either.

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[martcov]

He doesn't understand, & is most definitely not willing to try to understand (properly) anything beyond his own viewpoint

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I am sure everyone else is trying to see beyond their viewpoint.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

But Ashdown is right to a degree. Anything but leave now will result in the idealists embarking upon living their dream...with scant regard for anyone or anything. THAT is when the real bullying begins. They have been emboldened by previous regerenda & their re-runs. A Brexit overturn would actually spell disaster for Europe - not just the EU imo.

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Including disaster for the poor and vulnerable in our society too

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

You believe twitter's grapevine speculation if it pleases you...it will eventually come true, perhaps. I will await the official Graham Brady announcement.

My own opinion is that the whole thing is a mess, but will sort itself out. May is far from ideal but I cannot see anyone better either.

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If this model was possible why has Davies and Raab failed so spectacularly ??

 

[SkyblueBazza]

Including disaster for the poor and vulnerable in our society too

I have many times said that rven the worst case scenario will mean only the very rich & very poor are mostly affected. Sad but true...not necessarliy desirable

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[SkyblueBazza]

If this model was possible why has Davies and Raab failed so spectacularly ??

What 'model'???

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[martcov]

But Ashdown is right to a degree. Anything but leave now will result in the idealists embarking upon living their dream...with scant regard for anyone or anything. THAT is when the real bullying begins. They have been emboldened by previous regerenda & their re-runs. A Brexit overturn would actually spell disaster for Europe - not just the EU imo.

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„ the idealists embarking upon living their dream...with scant regard for anyone or anything. THAT is when the real bullying begins“

Sounds very familiar. Rees Mogg, Johnson, Farage and co come into that category. Sounds like a no deal situation and as for bullying, that is increasing as Brexit unravels.

Awaits insults....

 

[Sick Boy]

Bet many many people happily eat beans or tomato or tuna from a can...so what is up with chicken from a can? Doesn't it fit your agenda???

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You’re right it’s all about an agenda and not wishing to see a race to the bottom. Fair enough if you’d be happy eating it, I wouldn’t be and don’t think anyone should have to either

 

[Sick Boy]

You believe twitter's grapevine speculation if it pleases you...it will eventually come true, perhaps. I will await the official Graham Brady announcement.

My own opinion is that the whole thing is a mess, but will sort itself out. May is far from ideal but I cannot see anyone better either.

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That’s the thing, who else is there to actually take over from her?

 

[skybluetony176]

You’re right it’s all about an agenda and not wishing to see a race to the bottom. Fair enough if you’d be happy eating it, I wouldn’t be and don’t think anyone should have to either

If nothing else it’s enforced my decision to become a vegetarian. God bless brexit. I think chicken in a can should be the official meal of Brexit day.

 

[skybluetony176]

That’s the thing, who else is there to actually take over from her?

And that really is the thing. When you look at the likely candidates voting labour and JC is a lot more palatable.

 

[Sick Boy]

And that really is the thing. When you look at the likely candidates voting labour and JC is a lot more palatable.

If there was an election tomorrow I’d expect Labour to get in at the moment.

 

[Sick Boy]

Vote of no confidence triggered!

 

[skybluetony176]

Vote of no confidence triggered!

It doesn’t even mean she will go. Despite the vote of no confidence she might still be the most popular candidate for leader in the party if she chooses to stand. Got a feeling that this is going to rip the Tories apart.

 

[Grendel]

You’re right it’s all about an agenda and not wishing to see a race to the bottom. Fair enough if you’d be happy eating it, I wouldn’t be and don’t think anyone should have to either

Again Europeans are not stopped from eating it on health or moral grounds

 

[Astute]

Vote of no confidence triggered!

Do you see it as good or bad news?

Before you answer consider that we could end up with Doris as PM :wideyed:

 

[Sick Boy]

Again Europeans are not stopped from eating it on health or moral grounds

I can’t see it being on the shelves across Europe anytime soon, especially Italy. Enjoy.

 

[Sick Boy]

Do you see it as good or bad news?

Before you answer consider that we could end up with Doris as PM :wideyed:

To be honest I don’t see it as either, both are far from ideal. I’d expect to see Rudd as PM rather than Johnson

 

[Grendel]

I can’t see it being on the shelves across Europe anytime soon, especially Italy. Enjoy.

No because it’s not allowed to. Given many Europeans take some perverse delight in abusing animals so I hardly think they’d be bothered

 

[Astute]

To be honest I don’t see it as either, both are far from ideal. I’d expect to see Rudd as PM rather than Johnson

But we don't decide. I would expect a leavers as next PM if she goes. Although Javid and Rudd have given their full support for May. This normally happens with those who want the post.

 

[Sick Boy]

No because it’s not allowed to. Given many Europeans take some perverse delight in abusing animals so I hardly think they’d be bothered

Plenty of that goes on across the world, unfortunately, even here.

 

[Sick Boy]

But we don't decide. I would expect a leavers as next PM if she goes. Although Javid and Rudd have given their full support for May. This normally happens with those who want the post.

You’d imagine all of those up in arms about Brown taking over from Blair would also be desperate for there be a General Election now.

A leaver? I’d imagine it would be Gove then

 

[Grendel]

Plenty of that goes on across the world, unfortunately, even here.

But it’s not endemic in the culture of our society - there is a big big difference

 

[Sick Boy]

But it’s not endemic in the culture of our society - there is a big big difference

I don’t think that any culture takes delight in animal cruelty, apart from Spain. Even then there’s a lot of people there opposed to it.

Oh yeah, and a lot of nasty people in the UK who would like to overturn the hunting ban.

 

[clint van damme]

But we don't decide. I would expect a leavers as next PM if she goes. Although Javid and Rudd have given their full support for May. This normally happens with those who want the post.

always wondered why Rudd came back so quickly after May threw her under the bus over windrush.

 

[clint van damme]

But it’s not endemic in the culture of our society - there is a big big difference

fox hunting?

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Do you see it as good or bad news?

Before you answer consider that we could end up with Doris as PM :wideyed:

This is the fear!

I do think if they depose May, we might see a split however.

Cameron's plan of unifying his party isn't exactly working...

 

[martcov]

That’s the thing, who else is there to actually take over from her?

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Next Tory leader, latest odds:


The one who lied on a bus 6-1

The one who lied about impact assessments 8-1

The one who lied to Parliament and resigned 10-1

The one who lied and didn’t resign 15-1

The one who destroyed the NHS 20-1

The one who didn’t know we were an island 8-1

 

[SIR ERNIE]

voting labour and JC is a lot more palatable.

Corbyn. What a pathetic ditherer he has shown himself to be in the last couple of weeks. The government close to collapse and an opportunity to win over the DUP. Yet still he doesn’t call for a VOC in the government. The last 10 days were his best chance to force a GE. A slim one admittedly but his best chance. Now there could well be a new PM whose first objective will be to win back the DUP support.

May is awful but this clown is even worse.