The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (42 Viewers)

[SkyblueBazza]

Just to totally ruin a shite day, just heard blair on the radio news. Confirms 80% of remainer's are thinking of their own self and the other 20 are dribbling retards.

In fairness...the reality would likely show numbers aren't massively different in the leave camp either are they?

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[dancers lance]

Yep absolutely. Redistribution of wealth from the Uber rich and those earning in a very loose term the backs of society with no thought to the greater success of the whole.

The "redistribution of wealth from a few for the greater good of the whole" is the epotime of communism. Revolution, respect and self empowerment progresses society, not hand outs, entitlement and self pity.

 

[dutchman]

What events? Gilets jaunes protesting about the cost of living? That could come here about homelessness and food banks, or knife crimes or crime in general. Plenty of reasons to kick off here.

I agree, plenty of reasons to kick off in Germany.

 

[Astute]

The only one arguing is you and it seems to be in an attempt to dodge the question. I’m just going to assume you don’t know.

Oh yes assume.

But this time you are not going to make an ass out of u and me. I have had enough of you twisting everything to make me look like a rabid leaver. And it is normally on subject you know nothing about. Just like now.

Goodbye.

 

[Otis]

Not trying to be funny here, guys, but when arguments tend to come down to a two way he said, she said and on one single point of inconsequential reference, everyone else gets excluded and left out, especially when the debating point goes on and on for quite some time back and forth.

Wouldn't it be better to take it to PM? (And I don't mean Theresa May).

it just become a bit laborious for those browsing through the thread.

I'm sure we've all been guilty of it at some point or another.

Thanks......oh and Merry Christmas.

 

[clint van damme]

The "redistribution of wealth from a few for the greater good of the whole" is the epotime of communism. Revolution, respect and self empowerment progresses society, not hand outs, entitlement and self pity.

but there's a point where the uber rich take the piss and the mantra of certain political parties that they are the party for working people becomes just empty rhetoric.

Wanting an end to tax avoiding by corporations who pay fuck all tax and shit wages which have to then be subsidised with benefits from the tax receipts of people like me and you so said corporations can record sky high profits isn't a yearning for communism, it's wanting an end to the working man having the piss taken out of us.

 

[clint van damme]

In fairness...the reality would likely show numbers aren't massively different in the leave camp either are they?

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I think most people on this thread want what's best for the country and it follows that that will be good for them and their family.
The disagreement over which way we achieve what is best.

 

[Otis]

but there's a point where the uber rich take the piss and the mantra of certain political parties that they are the party for working people becomes just empty rhetoric.

Wanting an end to tax avoiding by corporations who pay fuck all tax and shit wages which have to then be subsidised with benefits from the tax receipts of people like me and you so said corporations can record sky high profits isn't a yearning for communism, it's wanting an end to the working man having the piss taken out of us.

Yep. I don't think people are advocating communism, just a fairer society.

 

[Sick Boy]

Yep. I don't think people are advocating communism, just a fairer society.

I think people will eventually start protesting more and more about the inequalities, obviously some will try and blame it all on the EU, even after the UK has left.

 

[martcov]

I agree, plenty of reasons to kick off in Germany.

But we don’t have the problems of the UK or France in Germany. Knife crime for example is rare. Cutting reports on abject poverty are not in the news. The crime rate is low. The refugee crisis has died down. Far right demos are directed at foreigners not the price of fuel or cost of living in germany

 

[martcov]

Oh yes assume.

But this time you are not going to make an ass out of u and me. I have had enough of you twisting everything to make me look like a rabid leaver. And it is normally on subject you know nothing about. Just like now.

Goodbye.

In other words you cannot back up your claim.

 

[Grendel]

In other words you cannot back up your claim.

Well you seem to think it could happen here (I assume you mean the uk) which is pretty dumb given what they are protesting about

 

[skybluetony176]

Well you seem to think it could happen here (I assume you mean the uk) which is pretty dumb given what they are protesting about

What are they protesting about? Astute knows but he doesn’t like to talk about it.

 

[martcov]

Well you seem to think it could happen here (I assume you mean the uk) which is pretty dumb given what they are protesting about

I quoted other possible reasons.

 

[SIR ERNIE]

I think most people on this thread want what's best for the country and it follows that that will be good for them and their family.
The disagreement over which way we achieve what is best.

On the point of 'what's good for the country', a good start would be for Parliament to fully honour the result of the referendum and for the Government to honour the Brexit pledges in its own manifesto.

 

[Grendel]

I quoted other possible reasons.

Where? So you admit when you said it could happen here you were talking crap. Why say it then?

 

[Sick Boy]

On the point of 'what's good for the country', a good start would be for Parliament to fully honour the result of the referendum and for the Government to honour the Brexit pledges in its own manifesto.

The way that would happen would be with no deal as no one has been able to come with a workable solution while respecting the GFA.

 

[SIR ERNIE]

The way that would happen would be with no deal as no one has been able to come with a workable solution while respecting the GFA.

And that is what should now happen but it won't.

 

[Sick Boy]

And that is what should now happen but it won't.

I don’t think Brexit is worth breaking the GFA for, personally.

 

[Grendel]

What events? Gilets jaunes protesting about the cost of living? That could come here about homelessness and food banks, or knife crimes or crime in general. Plenty of reasons to kick off here.

This is what you said - it’s nonsense isn’t it?

 

[Grendel]

I don’t think Brexit is worth breaking the GFA for, personally.

The uk cannot just dictate it’s whole policy for a few people.

 

[Sick Boy]

The uk cannot just dictate it’s whole policy for a few people.

A few people? How can you display such cold disregard for your fellow citizens and risk a return to violence and misery?

It’s not going to do the UK’s standing much good either

 

[martcov]

Where? So you admit when you said it could happen here you were talking crap. Why say it then?

I said there is plenty of dissatisfaction out there. The Brexit crisis is overshadowing a lot of problems. Ashdown listed some of them recently when talking about the changes in his village.

 

[Grendel]

A few people? How can you display such cold disregard for your fellow citizens and risk a return to violence and misery?

It’s not going to do the UK’s standing much good either

There won’t be any violence and misery - why would there be

 

[Grendel]

I said there is plenty of dissatisfaction out there. The Brexit crisis is overshadowing a lot of problems. Ashdown listed some of them recently when talking about the changes in his village.

So nothing to do with the French uprising then.

 

[martcov]

This is what you said - it’s nonsense isn’t it?

The only thing stopping demonstrations about the poverty in this country is the constant remain leave battle. If we weren’t at each other’s throats, we may be attacking the people actually responsible for the state of the country. As they are doing in France.

 

[Sick Boy]

There won’t be any violence and misery - why would there be

A hard border would be inevitable and exploited by extremists on both sides of he divide.

You’d also be breaking a UN treaty with no regard for the consequences, again, it would majorly effect the UK’s standing on the international stage.

 

[martcov]

So nothing to do with the French uprising then.

The French uprising is about many things, but at least the target is the right target, which is why they are winning concessions which they haven’t actually specifically demanded.

 

[Grendel]

The only thing stopping demonstrations about the poverty in this country is the constant remain leave battle. If we weren’t at each other’s throats, we may be attacking the people actually responsible for the state of the country. As they are doing in France.

The French disputes are not to do with poverty

 

[Grendel]

The French uprising is about many things, but at least the target is the right target, which is why they are winning concessions which they haven’t actually specifically demanded.

No it’s not about many things at all and yes the specifically demanded concessions

 

[Grendel]

A hard border would be inevitable and exploited by extremists on both sides of he divide.

You’d also be breaking a UN treaty with no regard for the consequences, again, it would majorly effect the UK’s standing on the international stage.

You would not be breaking a UN treaty and it’s covered by an option in the Treaty - the uk could legitimately not enforce it and therefore it would be the Eu enforcing it

 

[Astute]

I think people will eventually start protesting more and more about the inequalities, obviously some will try and blame it all on the EU, even after the UK has left.

You have as many blaming the EU for everything as you do saying that the EU is at fault for nothing. It is as they say going from one extreme to another.

For instance what is happening in France ATM is loosely connected to the EU. But it isn't the fault of the EU. It is to do with the way past and present French governments have handled the situation. It is to do with the French governments having to keep within EU rules and regulations.

The problem is that Macron has now backed down on part of what the problem is. But it looks like they could fail to meet borrowing targets set by the EU. It isn't just fuel duty that is going to be much lower than expected. Tax revenues are also going to be much lower. Macron gave tax breaks and also a higher living wage.

So if France is over borrowing limit.its what will happen?

 

[Astute]

In other words you cannot back up your claim.

Just come out with it.

Just say I am wrong or say you don't have a clue what is going on. I have had enough of your idiocy.

 

[Astute]

What are they protesting about? Astute knows but he doesn’t like to talk about it.

So you are admitting that you are clueless?

 

[Grendel]

The French dispute is because Macron is symbolic of EU rule. Worship the rich abd ensure they get richer while squeezing the middle classes to pay for it