The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (232 Viewers)

[Astute]

Didn't realise you had to live somewhere to have an opinion on the goings on in that country.
And have family up there, split between yes ano voters in the Indy referendum so I'm fairly well informed of what goes on thanks.
And the material change Claus I spoke about was in the wording of the first referendum albeit it isn't a guarantee of a second referendum so you're not quite as well informed as you thought.

Is that the material change you want from Santa? :hilarious:

 

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[clint van damme]

Ha ha your so funny for a tatty muncher , brilliant bravo .

Yes they have always been entitled to a new Indy 2 , Indy 3 , Indy 4 but they won’t get it

Hang on Brexit 1 , Brexit 2 , Brexit 3

My carer as you mention said that shouldn’t happen and only occurs when people cannot accept the will of the people .

I mention the flags over the Edinburgh bypass , there is only ever a single person , it must be you

Dreghorn junction or hermistan gait?

You do realise I said I have family in Scotland not I live in Scotland?
You do realise I said I have no opinion on Scottish independence?
You do realise even though I voted remain I have consistently said I don't support a second referendum?
And the wording in the first Indy referendum only referred to a second referendum not a third and fourth.
You need to read posts properly before ranting, it'll do your blood pressure the world of good.

 

[BackRoomRummermill]

You do realise I said I have family in Scotland not I live in Scotland?
You do realise I said I have no opinion on Scottish independence?
You do realise even though I voted remain I have consistently said I don't support a second referendum?
And the wording in the first Indy referendum only referred to a second referendum not a third and fourth.
You need to read posts properly before ranting, it'll do your blood pressure the world of good.

So why did you jump in then ?

 

[clint van damme]

So what you are saying is that for us being allowed a referendum we should have had another one if the government didn't get the result they wanted first time?

If the Tories didn't want us to leave they shouldn't have given us the choice. They should have said if we want out we should vote for someone else. But they wanted to get back the voters that had gone to UKIP.

Fuck me another one.
I'm not saying anything, that clown started on about the SNP wanting a second referendum and I pointed out they are entitled to do do.
I couldn't care whether they do or not just trying g to correct yet another factually incorre t post on here.

 

[clint van damme]

So why did you jump in then ?

Fuck me, are you really that dim, just pointing out their was a mechanism in the first Indy referendum for calling a second one. Something I was surprised an expert on S ottish politics like yourself was unaware off.

 

[BackRoomRummermill]

No you came in with an attitude without ( abiet you have family in Scotland ) , being in and around the day to day here , working with people that have been divided for decades mostly on religion and wealth. You can’t make that comment off the cuff in a pub in Scotland , it’s very divided and always will be because of ulster , one thing that does unite Scottish is a lack of understanding by the English , of that same point . It really is a tinderbox , caused by Labour being totally useless and losing all their overwhelming power in Scotland letting the SNP in .

 

[Astute]

Fuck me another one.
I'm not saying anything, that clown started on about the SNP wanting a second referendum and I pointed out they are entitled to do do.
I couldn't care whether they do or not just trying g to correct yet another factually incorre t post on here.

Fuck me another one? Would you like to expand on this?

So what have I said to upset you so much?

Did I even mention Scotland?

 

[BackRoomRummermill]

Fuck me another one.
I'm not saying anything, that clown started on about the SNP wanting a second referendum and I pointed out they are entitled to do do.
I couldn't care whether they do or not just trying g to correct yet another factually incorre t post on here.

This exactly calling someone a clown without any reason apart from they have different opinion

The SNP do want Indy 2 by the way , so again how am I a clown ?

 

[clint van damme]

Fuck me another one? Would you like to expand on this?

So what have I said to upset you so much?

Did I even mention Scotland?

You quoted my post which was about the Scottish Indy ref and was purely pointing out an aspect of that referendum which someone had over looked.
You went off on one about what I said. It was merely pointing something out.

 

[BackRoomRummermill]

You quoted my post which was about the Scottish Indy ref and was purely pointing out an aspect of that referendum which someone had over looked.
You went off on one about what I said. It was merely pointing something out.

You jumped in , don’t back peddle

 

[Astute]

Fuck me, are you really that dim, just pointing out their was a mechanism in the first Indy referendum for calling a second one. Something I was surprised an expert on S ottish politics like yourself was unaware off.

And like I said should we have been offered the first one if there was going to be a second one if they didn't like the result?

That isn't saying it was right or wrong to be given the referendum. But where would it end if we had another one? So if leave had a 4% majority again would it be close enough for remain to say they should have another one again? If remain had the 4% majority this time would it be OK for leave to say we should have another one because remain got another one?

Leave won by nearly 2m votes. It would take a big turn round to win. It would take a massive one to win by lots more than 4%. So all I could see.from another referendum is more problems than we have now.

 

[Astute]

You quoted my post which was about the Scottish Indy ref and was purely pointing out an aspect of that referendum which someone had over looked.
You went off on one about what I said. It was merely pointing something out.

Point out where I went off on one.

I put my POV across. Nothing more nothing less. Why not have a go at my POV. Because that is normally what happens here.

 

[clint van damme]

No you came in with an attitude without ( abiet you have family in Scotland ) , being in and around the day to day here , working with people that have been divided for decades mostly on religion and wealth. You can’t make that comment off the cuff in a pub in Scotland , it’s very divided and always will be because of ulster , one thing that does unite Scottish is a lack of understanding by the English , of that same point . It really is a tinderbox , caused by Labour being totally useless and losing all their overwhelming power in Scotland letting the SNP in .

You're over thinking what I said.
I merely pointed out there is a legitimate mechanism for Scotland calling a 2nd referendum .
Slightly different to what's happening with Brexit where people are calling for a second referendum before the first one has been implemented.
I happen to agree with your assertion that they would still vote to remain in the UK if there was 2nd referendum though I think it would be closer due to promises not delivered by Westminister after the first vote.

 

[Grendel]

You're over thinking what I said.
I merely pointed out there is a legitimate mechanism for Scotland calling a 2nd referendum .
Slightly different to what's happening with Brexit where people are calling for a second referendum before the first one has been implemented.
I happen to agree with your assertion that they would still vote to remain in the UK if there was 2nd referendum though I think it would be closer due to promises not delivered by Westminister after the first vote.

There isn’t a legitimate mechanism at all

 

[clint van damme]

You jumped in , don’t back peddle

Jumped in?! You absolute goon!
It's a public forum and a thread which I've been contributing to for nearly a year and a half - you'd think I'd walked across the pub to interrupt a private conversation you absolute roaster!

 

[BackRoomRummermill]

Jumped in?! You absolute goon!
It's a public forum and a thread which I've been contributing to for nearly a year and a half - you'd think I'd walked across the pub to interrupt a private conversation you absolute roaster!

It looks like as in previous posts you are going off on one , relax enjoy some sangria with some Bavarian garlic smoked cheese and dream of duty free

 

[Philosoraptor]

Scotland is a perfect example on why to have another referendum.

There was a once in generation vote a few years back. This was meant to settle the issue.

However, the population of Scotland voted to stay within the EU where the majority of the UK voted to leave.

This will change the very nature of Scotland constitutionally.

This is more than enough ground to hold another referendum on Scottish Independence and for people to have a choice whether to stay with the UK or EU.

A lot of people forget there is an Act of Union between England and Scotland.

This can broken by either side.

 

[clint van damme]

There isn’t a legitimate mechanism at all

Isn't there, I thought it is in the wording of the terms of the first? If not it's in the SNP manifesto for sure and they were voted in so you must recognise the legitimacy of that as that is what you have been saying about the result of the last UK GE.

And even after all that, if I am wrong, surely our resident Scottish politics expert should have pointed it out rather than talking about waving flags on obscure A roads!!

 

[clint van damme]

It looks like as in previous posts you are going off on one , relax enjoy some sangria with some Bavarian garlic smoked cheese and dream of duty free

trust me, I'm relaxed, only thing that winds me up on this board is the sisu are the club bullshit, can't help but rise to that one.

 

[Grendel]

Scotland is a perfect example on why to have another referendum.

There was a once in generation vote a few years back. This was meant to settle the issue.

However, the population of Scotland voted to stay within the EU where the majority of the UK voted to leave.

This will change the very nature of Scotland constitutionally.

This is more than enough ground to hold another referendum on Scottish Independence and for people to have a choice whether to stay with the UK or EU.

A lot of people forget there is an Act of Union between England and Scotland.

This can broken by either side.

Scottish independence would mean they leave the EU and have no currency

 

[BackRoomRummermill]

You're over thinking what I said.
I merely pointed out there is a legitimate mechanism for Scotland calling a 2nd referendum .
Slightly different to what's happening with Brexit where people are calling for a second referendum before the first one has been implemented.
I happen to agree with your assertion that they would still vote to remain in the UK if there was 2nd referendum though I think it would be closer due to promises not delivered by Westminister after the first vote.

If you paid Scottish tax rates you would know how wrong that statement is , I personally pay 2k more here than in equvilant in RUK tax wise

The lights will go out soon in Scotland unless someone with some sense arrives .

 

[Nick]

Can we not just let the MPs have a scrap? Pisses me off how sly they all are trying to backstab. Just have it out.

They are all far too sly.

 

[Philosoraptor]

Scottish independence would mean they leave the EU and have no currency

It's an interesting point if the Pound is the UK currency or not. Seeing that there are mints in the four nations.

I think the adoption of the Euro would be a criteria for Scotland to join the EU.

 

[BackRoomRummermill]

Scotland is a perfect example on why to have another referendum.

There was a once in generation vote a few years back. This was meant to settle the issue.

However, the population of Scotland voted to stay within the EU where the majority of the UK voted to leave.

This will change the very nature of Scotland constitutionally.

This is more than enough ground to hold another referendum on Scottish Independence and for people to have a choice whether to stay with the UK or EU.

A lot of people forget there is an Act of Union between England and Scotland.

This can broken by either side.

The SNP apppraoch to the Brexit vote was in 2016 to appeal to the teenage kids in Dundee and Glasgow to vote remain on the pretext of causing leverage of Indy 2

It won’t work , the Tory party have more seats on Scotland than ever , they even ousted the RT news communist Alex Salmond , this was after the Brexit vote .

Bring on Indy 2 and Brexit 2 and anything else , it won’t change.

The Scottish Tory party won the darts for May last time round , with SNP tax up here as it is the end is nigh for these divisive pricks

 

[clint van damme]

It's an interesting point if the Pound is the UK currency or not. Seeing that there are mints in the four nations.

I think the adoption of the Euro would be a criteria for Scotland to join the EU.

if seeing the mayhem going on with Bexit isn't enough to put them off I don't know what would be.

 

[BackRoomRummermill]

It's an interesting point if the Pound is the UK currency or not. Seeing that there are mints in the four nations.

I think the adoption of the Euro would be a criteria for Scotland to join the EU.

Remember remember Barcelona it will never happen

 

[Philosoraptor]

if seeing the mayhem going on with Bexit isn't enough to put them off I don't know what would be.

The vote 'No' campaign in the Scottish referendum did pull out all the stops. If you are in England you probably haven't seen this.

Eat your cereal!

 

[Astute]

trust me, I'm relaxed, only thing that winds me up on this board is the sisu are the club bullshit, can't help but rise to that one.

I can't bring myself to say it :shifty:

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

So are we all agreed?

No way this deal goes through irrespective of another 5 days of discussion before w/c 14/1.

Therefore we will require a cross party solution because a second refurrendum is undemocratic and we expect our elected representatives to complete their jobs

 

[Philosoraptor]

And then there was Brexit. Lol-

 

[Astute]

if seeing the mayhem going on with Bexit isn't enough to put them off I don't know what would be.

Yeah. We could charge them tariffs on Tennents and deep fried mars bars.

 

[clint van damme]

So are we all agreed?

No way this deal goes through irrespective of another 5 days of discussion before w/c 14/1.

Therefore we will require a cross party solution because a second refurrendum is undemocratic and we expect our elected representatives to complete their jobs

I've thought for a long time that a no deal Brexit was inevitable, but I have a feeling there could be another twist.
I wouldn't put any money on it, but I think there's a chance that Labour may offer to support Mays deal if she adds in staying in the customs union. Just based on a few things I've read and interviews I've heard.
Corbyn has been holding out for a GE but I don't think he's going to get it so he needs to do something else.

edit - just read Corbyn has tabled his no confidence vote so that's that theory out the window straight away!!

 

[Astute]

So are we all agreed?

No way this deal goes through irrespective of another 5 days of discussion before w/c 14/1.

Therefore we will require a cross party solution because a second refurrendum is undemocratic and we expect our elected representatives to complete their jobs

I was in full agreement until the last half a sentence. I expect nothing from them. Most of them are a waste of space.

 

[Philosoraptor]

Remember remember Barcelona it will never happen

I'll have a good guess and say your on the East side of Scotland

Peace.

 

[Astute]

I've thought for a long time that a no deal Brexit was inevitable, but I have a feeling there could be another twist.
I wouldn't put any money on it, but I think there's a chance that Labour may offer to support Mays deal if she adds in staying in the customs union. Just based on a few things I've read and interviews I've heard.
Corbyn has been holding out for a GE but I don't think he's going to get it so he needs to do something else.

I think he hasn't gone for the GE because of the amount of Labour voters who want out of the EU. Look at the Labour strongholds. Look how they voted.

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