The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (250 Viewers)

[Alan Dugdales Moustache]

Just got a letter from my life assurance fund with Scottish Widows. They and most other insurers will be opening offices in the EU post Brexit. I have to sign a new contract with the EU subsidiary. There is a hearing on 14. March in London to approve the move. They have chosen Luxemburg because of it’s stable conjuncture and international experience of licensing cross border insurers. This costs them money which will be passed on to customers and they won’t be coming back even with a second referendum. Add to that that the English beer brand that I sell is now coming from Holland and I can see the damage that Brexit is doing in my own small world. No tangible benefits in sight as billions are spent taking on new civil servants and preparing for chaos. There are 17,4 million people who voted for this. A policy encouraged by our biggest adversaries and discouraged by our closest allies. Something wrong here.

I think all of us who voted for brexit genuinely feel for your terrible dilemma.

 

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[martcov]

I think all of us who voted for brexit genuinely feel for your terrible dilemma.

I am really not bothered. I suspect people who work in these industries may see it differently. As I say, enjoy your Brexit supported by two world leaders who I am sure are solely interested in the future of Britain. Maybe not for the same reasons as most people in Britain though.

 

[Grendel]

The administration. The setting up costs of a subsidiary. The preparation for and the representation at a hearing in London. Maybe office space, extra staff etc.. Not a fortune, but an unnecessary expense. How‘s the job situation at JLR coming along?

Sorry? So are the fees escalating? Mine aren’t.

Jobs at JLR have nothing to do with Brexit. The company issued an internal statement today though recommending the deal currently on the table and its better than any other alternative

 

[Alan Dugdales Moustache]

I am really not bothered. I suspect people who work in these industries may see it differently. As I say, enjoy your Brexit supported by two world leaders who I am sure are solely interested in the future of Britain. Maybe not for the same reasons as most people in Britain though.

You really need to stop moaning 24/7/365 because it won't get you anywhere. You need to move on and get some contingency plans together. I can send you a pop up Anderson shelter if you like.

 

[martcov]

You really need to stop moaning 24/7/365 because it won't get you anywhere. You need to move on and get some contingency plans together. I can send you a pop up Anderson shelter if you like.

I just told you. I have to deal with a new EU subsidiary company, some of my UK products are now made in the EU and I have taken out German citizenship. Those are the contingency plans from me and my suppliers. You guys just don’t want to recognise what you have set in motion. When you see both Trump and Putin encouraging the government to go ahead despite all warnings, you must smell a rat. Or perhaps not...

 

[martcov]

Sorry? So are the fees escalating? Mine aren’t.

Jobs at JLR have nothing to do with Brexit. The company issued an internal statement today though recommending the deal currently on the table and its better than any other alternative

The costs for Scottish Widows are increased. Either they absorb it or pass it on in some way in the future. But, costs have increased short term.

 

[Grappa]

Sorry? So are the fees escalating? Mine aren’t.

Jobs at JLR have nothing to do with Brexit. The company issued an internal statement today though recommending the deal currently on the table and its better than any other alternative

did you not get the email today saying jlr is 'unviable' with a no-deal brexit?

 

[dutchman]

They say „birds of a feather flock together“. There seems to be a synergy between social media support for Trump, Brexit and Putin. It is a bit of a joke when some Brexiters call remainers traitors whilst at the same time supporting our main potential adversaries in trade and in foreign policy.

They may be your adversaries, they're certainly not mine.

 

[Astute]

I just told you. I have to deal with a new EU subsidiary company, some of my UK products are now made in the EU and I have taken out German citizenship. Those are the contingency plans from me and my suppliers. You guys just don’t want to recognise what you have set in motion. When you see both Trump and Putin encouraging the government to go ahead despite all warnings, you must smell a rat. Or perhaps not...

You also need to get real.

This all started off because of what is happening in the EU. You always try to make out that the right wing growing in strength in the EU isn't a problem. But it is what caused the referendum in the UK. And it is what tipped the balance in favour of leaving the EU. Cameron agreed to the referendum if the Tories got back in so he could get back the votes the Tories lost to UKIP.

We now have right wing governments in the EU. And the right wing movements are growing all over. It even went down to Macron or extreme right wing in France last time. If it was rerun now the extreme right wing would most probably win. Yet you still don't see it as a problem.

Yet those at the top of the EU carry on playing the fiddle expecting everyone to dance to their tune. Different leaders are calling for reform. But they get ignored. Yet you try to blame those who want out for everything.

Yes there are those who want out of the EU that are misguided. They don't have a clue about what is going on. But at the other end of the scale there are people like yourself. It doesn't matter what the EU does. You will always back them up and look for excuses for them. You will always blame someone else for everything.

 

[martcov]

They may be your adversaries, they're certainly not mine.

I know.

 

[martcov]

You also need to get real.

This all started off because of what is happening in the EU. You always try to make out that the right wing growing in strength in the EU isn't a problem. But it is what caused the referendum in the UK. And it is what tipped the balance in favour of leaving the EU. Cameron agreed to the referendum if the Tories got back in so he could get back the votes the Tories lost to UKIP.

We now have right wing governments in the EU. And the right wing movements are growing all over. It even went down to Macron or extreme right wing in France last time. If it was rerun now the extreme right wing would most probably win. Yet you still don't see it as a problem.

Yet those at the top of the EU carry on playing the fiddle expecting everyone to dance to their tune. Different leaders are calling for reform. But they get ignored. Yet you try to blame those who want out for everything.

Yes there are those who want out of the EU that are misguided. They don't have a clue about what is going on. But at the other end of the scale there are people like yourself. It doesn't matter what the EU does. You will always back them up and look for excuses for them. You will always blame someone else for everything.

I constantly say what I think about right wing movements. Brexit and Trump have shown what happens when the people vote for them. It will take years to clean up the mess these have caused.

How you get to that I don’t see right wing movements as a problem, I don’t know.

When I say they are still a minority where I live, that is a fact. AfD got 6% at the last state elections. They are still a problem. The next state elections will be in Saxony where they expect 25%. They are in a „dark money“ scandal at the moment. I hope that knocks a couple of percent off their total.

I have said the EU needs reform. Of course it does. Leaving won’t help there. You have yet to clarify what you mean by reforms. What I want is probably different to what you want. Different leaders call for different reforms as in any democratic organisation. Some win with their arguments, others don’t. You call it being ignored. It isn’t if their suggestions are discussed and rejected.

You confuse me pointing out things that you get wrong as making excuses for the EU. It isn’t, it is pointing out your mistakes.

I don’t blame those who want out for anything. I think leaving doesn’t help anyone.

Who are these people at the top who ignore everyone?

 

[martcov]

They may be your adversaries, they're certainly not mine.

Murdering people in the UK, invading European countries, buzzing NATO warships, interfering in the elections of NATO countries and Brexit are all things which UK adversaries do. You support them. Trump is wrecking his economy and US foreign policy and wants a quick trade deal while the UK is distressed in favour of US exporters and you support him.

And you support Brexit which looks like causing the UK huge damage.

Nice guy.

 

[martcov]

did you not get the email today saying jlr is 'unviable' with a no-deal brexit?

„Brexit bluster“ was the description last time this was mentioned, and Grendel should know. I think JLR should ask their employees who thinks Brexit is worth being poorer for. Then take these people at their word and sack them as opposed to sacking people who voted remain.

 

[Grendel]

„Brexit bluster“ was the description last time this was mentioned, and Grendel should know. I think JLR should ask their employees who thinks Brexit is worth being poorer for. Then take these people at their word and sack them as opposed to sacking people who voted remain.

Yes that sums you up - a lot of businesses are pushing for the deal to be signed - you seem not to be acknowledging that,

 

[martcov]

Yes that sums you up - a lot of businesses are pushing for the deal to be signed - you seem not to be acknowledging that,

I acknowledge that and I understand it. Are leavers in general? Most on SM seem to want to crash out.

 

[martcov]

The polls are clear: support for staying in the EU has rocketed | Peter Kellner

 

[Grendel]

Lol the Guardian really now is the left wing Express. Gutter journalism

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Lol the Guardian really now is the left wing Express. Gutter journalism

Any comment on the figures from one of the most respected pollsters there is

 

[Grendel]

Any comment on the figures from one of the most respected pollsters there is

Yes the numbers don’t actually add up to 17 million

 

[martcov]

Yes the numbers don’t actually add up to 17 million

And? What about the percentages and the analysis?

 

[Grendel]

And? What about the percentages and the analysis?

Of the 17 million who voted leave....then missed out 2 million in the “analysis”

 

[martcov]

Of the 17 million who voted leave....then missed out 2 million in the “analysis”

Very good. But, what about the percentages and analysis that they didn't miss out?

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

He’s as bad as the politicians

 

[Grendel]

Very good. But, what about the percentages and analysis that they didn't miss out?

Well it’s void isn’t it as they’ve asked two separate questions and created a percentage from it. All of actually shows is if there was another referendum there is every chance of deadlock or the same result

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Well it’s void isn’t it as they’ve asked two separate questions and created a percentage from it. All of actually shows is if there was another referendum there is every chance of deadlock or the same result

It really doesn’t show that Grendel that’s the wrong conclusion

 

[Grendel]

It really doesn’t show that Grendel that’s the wrong conclusion

No it isn’t. It’s put a hypothetical scenario and of accept the deal or remain and made an absurd percentage conclusion. It shows the swing with leave voters at most is two million but there are are a million remain voters who also could swing which still under a yes no scenario would mean leave. Oh and two million leave voters intent seems to have gone missing

 

[Alan Dugdales Moustache]

I just told you. I have to deal with a new EU subsidiary company, some of my UK products are now made in the EU and I have taken out German citizenship. Those are the contingency plans from me and my suppliers. You guys just don’t want to recognise what you have set in motion. When you see both Trump and Putin encouraging the government to go ahead despite all warnings, you must smell a rat. Or perhaps not...

The world is going to end .

 

[martcov]

No it isn’t. It’s put a hypothetical scenario and of accept the deal or remain and made an absurd percentage conclusion. It shows the swing with leave voters at most is two million but there are are a million remain voters who also could swing which still under a yes no scenario would mean leave. Oh and two million leave voters intent seems to have gone missing

2,5 years of new voters coming in and older ones dying distorts the calculation.

 

[martcov]

The world is going to end .

No it isn’t. People will maybe be poorer or lose their jobs and there will be disruption. Prices will rise and some things will be in short supply for a time, but the world won’t end. More red tape and more civil servants. Thanks.

 

[Alan Dugdales Moustache]

2,5 years of new voters coming in and older ones dying distorts the calculation.

That's just like saying if jch had taken his chance in the first half we might have got a draw today.
In 20 years time remain might have won by 70% to 30%.
It counts for absolutely nothing. You keep saying this over and over again. It counts for nothing. It's very sad.

 

[Grendel]

2,5 years of new voters coming in and older ones dying distorts the calculation.

That again is just desperate and offensive. So the brainwashed zombie youth are require to help the cause.

 

[Alan Dugdales Moustache]

No it isn’t. People will maybe be poorer or lose their jobs and there will be disruption. Prices will rise and some things will be in short supply for a time, but the world won’t end. More red tape and more civil servants. Thanks.

Oh yes it will end. Don't kid yourself it will be alright. The leavers will eat the remainers and die of food poisoning. You'll be first to go.

 

[Grendel]

That's just like saying if jch had taken his chance in the first half we might have got a draw today.
In 20 years time remain might have won by 70% to 30%.
It counts for absolutely nothing. You keep saying this over and over again. It counts for nothing. It's very sad.

Correct - it’s a stupid argument.

It’s actually funny because the idiots that make the argument portray the old as irrelevant and not in touch and the youth idyllic. The old of today in the 60’s would no doubt have been banning the bomb, peace rallies and free love. They then become wise and experienced from living life - and migrate towards capitalism

So the same youth who bang on about this is for them will look back in 50 years time and think “god was that really me saying that”

 

[martcov]

That again is just desperate and offensive. So the brainwashed zombie youth are require to help the cause.

I didn’t say that. If you just rely on who has or has not changed their minds, you are not taking into account new voters or older ones dying. You have to include their intentions, and write off those in the age group with the most deaths.

 

[Grendel]

I didn’t say that. If you just rely on who has or has not changed their minds, you are not taking into account new voters or older ones dying. You have to include their intentions, and write off those in the age group with the most deaths.

Then we need to have a vote every year then. It’s a stupid argument and not even scientifically proven