Johnnythespider
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The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (131 Viewers)
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skybluetony176
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But you could say the same of any political party, any politician and any political ideology currently in circulation. That’s a huge equaliser and for that reason alone it would be naive to write anyone anyone off.
Just to add I think that the next government will be either another minority government with an agreement with a minority party or a coalition. That again levels the playing field and Labour will no doubt be a senior partner in any of those two scenarios.
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clint van damme
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the man is a shameless liar. Off the scale dishonesty, I know politicians have a reputation for lying but he's in a league of his own.
Paxman II
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That's just indictacative of how irrelevant Labour and Corbyn really have become and should not be seen as a favourable poll for May.
He mentioned helping African farmers through Brexit. 1. there are no tariffs on the 50 poorest nations 2. what about our farmers 3. if the Africans do export their crops to us, where do the African poor buy their food? Do I think BoJo is interested in African farmers? No. He is just trying to make the Brexit mess seem charitable. He confidently predicts the UK will prosper. Any evidence? No.
Paxman II
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Conversely do you have evidence that it would not prosper?
Would you say people have seen through BoJo, Davis , Gove and Rees Mogg? Or haven’t they twigged what’s going on yet?
Sick Boy
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Just like last time eh
Yes. The preparations that we are taking for a cock up. The extra red tape and controls. The weak hand we have in trade negotiations as a distressed trading partner. The lack of products we could sell much more of in a FTA with the USA. The lack of competitiveness with the USA agriculture industry which has lower standards and massive quantities of farm land ( which don’t on our small island).the drop in attractiveness of the City of London which will come because we are no longer the financial centre of the EU ( yes, I know we are a world centre, but we will not grow as fast as we would have when we were making the input into the financial rules of the EU ). The potential drop of the pound which will make imported components for our industry more expensive and create inflation. The possible effects of our damaged image. The outsourcing to the EU of famous U.K. brands to avoid regulatory differences. THe lack of a flexible work force on the low skilled sectors. The brain drain as we lose our standing in the science world as scientists opt for European countries. The possibility of loss of workers rights or the avoidance of stricter EU tax evasion regulations which come into force this year, which will not help millions of UK citizens to prosper. The increase of vacancies in the health services which lower the quality of care for the large number of elderly patients clogging our hospitals and care homes. Lack of construction workers which will slow the construction industry.
But, we will have French made blue passports and fish that we can no longer process and export at competitive prices to the EU.
Grendel
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Rees mogg and Johnson are irrelevant, Davis heading towards the knackers yard and it’s very unlikely Gove will be anywhere near power
I didn’t because I know that it won’t be better than being in the CU and SM and being a major power in the EU.
Grendel
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No evidence just wheeze bag rhetoric
Grendel
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A major power lol
That wasn’t an answer to the question I asked. Some people still have wet dreams over BoJos statements and speeches. I would trust Corbyn more than the previously mentioned charlatans. I am not a fan though.... unless he gets us a second vote on the disaster.
Grendel
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No one cares less what Johnson says he’s a laughing stock
Well we are. Leavers say we are. I say we are in the top three in Europe. Had we had a different government to the Tories and had we not wasted a chunk of our MEP allocation on useless counter productive UKIP tossers, we would have a leader in Europe. Being out of the Euro marginalised is a bit as well.
Grendel
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Utter tripe
He is relaunching himself and saying things that please his base even talking about the deep state recently. Now where did he pull that term out of? Who pushes that line?
skybluetony176
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Grendel
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I repeat no one takes him seriously - he’s the uk version of Junker a drunken laughing stock
Do you think being out of the Euro increased our influence?
Do you think UKIP used their seats to make the UK more powerful in the EU?
Do you think the world‘s 5th largest economy isn’t a major player?
I’d place Juncker as much cleverer than our resident buffoon.
Grendel
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Being out of the Euro saved the country from oblivion and allowed us to reap huge prosperity for well over a decade. If you can’t understand that I can’t be bothered with you.
Ukip were elected under your preferred election system - go figure
Being the 5th largest economy means nothing in the cosy club of Brussels
Deny it and it will go away.
Grendel
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I wouldn’t
No. Dealing with the crisis in 2008 saved the day. UKIP had the mandate to represent the UK in the EU and failed miserably. The result is the mess we are in.
No, I don’t suppose you would.
The influx of labour under FOM also helped the UK economy massively. You won’t be mentioning that though.
skybluetony176
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Ian1779
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You keep telling yourself that myth...
Ian1779
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As I explained to Grendel - it’s an outlier compared to every other organisation that has Lab level or ahead. Still You Gov have a story to tell I suppose and Grendel laps it up!