Translate my Wikipedia link which explains how the law was changed to allow competitors. We don’t have anything like the competition absinthe UK and regional governments are involved.
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Translate my Wikipedia link which explains how the law was changed to allow competitors. We don’t have anything like the competition absinthe UK and regional governments are involved.
The idea is to sell the Bundesbahn, but it needs a tremendous amount of investment.
It belongs to the government. But limited competition is allowed.
Grendel
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It’s allowed to prevent monopoly Eu legislation being breached I assume?
And when you say it you mean the railway lines I assume not the movement of customers
Mucca Mad Boys
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Yes, because the EU cannot stop Parliament from passing legislation. The EU says nothing about the NHS and the UK's nationalised healthcare. Linking this point to your
We've voted to leave the EU, so why are you concerned about how people view nationalisation and EU membership? As things stand, it's irrelevant because we're leaving the EU, so the policies would be enacted in a post-Brexit Britain.
Whether we stay in the EU or not, that doesn't detract from the fact that the public is generally in favour of nationalisation when polled. The 2017 Labour manifesto offered this and as they're generally popular (railways is even popular among Tory voters) policies, people voted for that. Labour didn't close a 20-odd point gap in the polls to 3 points by a miracle and certainly, their policies would've been a factor.
skybluetony176
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Project fear.
Grendel
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So we can implement legislation allowing the death penalty?
Mucca Mad Boys
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What part of Parliament can pass any legislation it wants are you not getting?
In short, yes. Would there be implications for doing that? Probably. It’s a nonsense argument because it’s not being proposed by anyone serious in any major party.
Sick Boy
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Yes, perhaps we can try and emulate that wonderful country of Belarus and be the only countries in Europe with the death penalty.
skybluetony176
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Renationalising Britain's railways – EU law not a barrier
An interesting article on the subject of rail nationalisation in the EU. The Irony is the driving factor behind the EU not favouring although clearly not blocking nationalisation of railways is apparently the British model of taking the railways out of nationalisation and into privatisation. Still, we have no influence on the EU. Apparently.
An interesting article on the subject of rail nationalisation in the EU. The Irony is the driving factor behind the EU not favouring although clearly not blocking nationalisation of railways is apparently the British model of taking the railways out of nationalisation and into privatisation. Still, we have no influence on the EU. Apparently.
skybluetony176
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I sense another Roman Empire/Holy Roman Empire moment brewing.
skybluetony176
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Does the Isle of Man count? I believe they still have the death penalty.
Mucca Mad Boys
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Abolished in 1993.
No, but we can now leave the ECHR without being the odd one out in the EU. Proud?
skybluetony176
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Not sure why we’d reinstate something we abolished long before we joined the EU anyway.
The European Court of Human Rights. That is what May is threatening to do away with.
Our membership of.
Brighton Sky Blue
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'He won't stand up against Russia'
'He won't stand up against fascists in Syria'
Vintage Tory tactic of spouting bullshit in a posh accent with emphatic mannerisms and idiots swallow it gleefully. In case you were in any doubt of what they think of you:
Metronom as an example, has it’s own trains. Older. I have traveled with it.
Grendel
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No - what you are doing is throwing red herrings out that Parliament can pass legislation but as you know are not allowed to enforce it without contrevining EU legislation
The human rights act prevents the death penalty and the anti monopoly legislation prevents nationalisation
skybluetony176
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Yep. Another Roman Empire moment.
Astute
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Thanks all the old dear is recovering.
I would be happy to pay more tax although I think I pay enough already..... as long as it goes where it is needed and not in the pockets of the rich.
YouGov? Last week it was good to quote. Yesterday it was biased. But already it is good to quote again. YouGov is either biased or it isn't. Which one is it?
Grendel
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Yes that’s a predictable link which I’ve read and is largely contridicted by Professor Nicol.
Your claim to be the EU expert - rather than a biased opinion piece offer your interpretation of EU rules
Mucca Mad Boys
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You asked if Parliament could do that, I answered. The Human Rights Act can be repealed by Parliament if there was a majority. In fact, that’s what the Government plans to do post-Brexit and pass our own British Bill of Rights. You’ve unknowingly just proven my point.
You talk of red herrings, but come up with your own red herring of reintroducing the death penalty. No major party in UK politics is arguing for its reintroduction, so its a moot point designed to redirect the debate from a rational place.
The bottom line is this, anything that passes through Parliament with a majority becomes law in the UK. Parliament is the highest court in this land and our laws, by definition would supersede the EU’s law. Parliament has chosen to cede sovereignty to the EU and can take it back if we wanted too — invoking Article 50 proves this. Does the EU have a mechanism whereby that institution checks our legislation before it passes? No. Therefore, can it stop legislation being passed? No. The EU can’t physically stop the UK passing legislation, whatever the legislative agenda of the Government of the day.
In practice, the EU hasn’t done much to hampered Governments who have wished to renationalise something — France and Germany have nationalised railways! The only example you can practically point to is Greece, where the EU refused to let the Government renationalise sectors of the economy. The difference? The Greeks were being bailed out by the EU and that was one of the conditions of that bailout. The Greeks didn’t necessarily have to take on the conditions of that bailout — it was ultimately their choice. This example definitely pushed me flirt with the idea of a Lexit but ultimately I rejected that.
Besides, to use the example of the NHS. It’s a nationalised health system but it hasn’t banned private healthcare. Same with Royal Mail, it hasn’t banned other Mail companies. It’s a mixed economy.
The following have been under national control whilst we’ve been part of the EU:
- railway infrastructure
- Royal Mail — our own government chose to privatise that
- NHS
Can we nationalise industries within the EU? Yes.
Grendel
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No we can’t - you really are struggling to keep up - the NHS doesnt mean public ownership of healthcare
You use so many words but say absolutely nothing of substance
Germany has private railway operators it’s not nationalised
Mucca Mad Boys
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All the best to you and your family, and I hope the old dear makes a full recovery!
I’ve never questioned the bias of YouGov, so I’ll assume that’s not directed at me. When it came to general polling, YouGov was the only outlier which polled a decisive lead for the Tories — most of the others had them neck and neck with a 1-2% lead for either Con or Lab, a couple had them in the same %.
The example I used specifically was on the 50p tax which is only on the highest earners (£150,000+ P/a), and about 48% were in favour of a radical 60p tax (too far in my eyes), but this was in 2014-2015. However, in 2018, people were willing to pay more income tax and NI if it went towards the NHS. I can find the link if need be.
Simply put, I was challenged on the idea of Corbyn having popular policies. Generally speaking, the public is more left than right on the economy when it comes to taxation and nationalisation and is more to the right on the issue of immigration.
I don’t claim anything. Just saw that opinion and posted it. Same as Astute. Difference being I read it before I posted it. If anything, you claim to be an EU expert. Fact is, other EU countries do have nationalised industries. Or basically nationalised with a small competitor. If it was the question of the UK staying or leaving, I reckon the EU would negotiate a deal with Corbyn about nationalisation. There are already examples in the EU. Main thing is state aid and whether it is used to undercut private firms.
The NHS belongs to the state.
The Bundesbahn belongs to the state.
How would you define the state owned Bundesbahn?
Astute
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I am not against the death penalty. Some oxygen thieves deserve it. Child murderers for sure. But one thing. Only when it is 100% definitely that person that has done it. 99% not good enough.
Grendel
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Lol.
Grendel
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The Bundesbahn is not nationalised
But, how many of the executed were later found to be innocent in the past? Does it prevent murders? No. Does it increase murders because you kill the witnesses as well? Probably. Does it reduce the state to the same moral level of a murderer by taking life? Yes. I think the state should not be involved in legal murder. Having said that, accidentally killing a murderer when freeing a hostage or similar I don’t have any outrage with. I think you only need to look at the USA to see the effect of the death penalty. Do they have less crime than we do in States which have the Death penalty? Not that I know.
Who does it belong to?
Care to elaborate?