The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (240 Viewers)

[Grendel]

Britain was the very first country to ratify the European Convention of Human Rights, back in 1951. Before we outlawed capital punishment.

The Human Rights Act of 1998 brought the ECHR into British Law and the our law pretty much copied the EU laws word for word

As I outlined earlier, EU laws and regulations will still influence us post-Brexit as the UK Government is literally copying most EU regulations word for word.

But we can abandon all Eu legislation and the likes of sick boy are lying when they say we are bound by welfare protection laws from Brussels - it’s all been much ado about nothing. You should talk to Farage - in the end we can just tell Brussels to fuck off - stay in Europe but have no legislation. Impact us at all.

Can you get on channel 4 news with this please?

 

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[Mucca Mad Boys]

But we can abandon all Eu legislation and the likes of sick boy are lying when they say we are bound by welfare protection laws from Brussels - it’s all been much ado about nothing. You should talk to Farage - in the end we can just tell Brussels to fuck off - stay in Europe but have no legislation. Impact us at all.

Can you get on channel 4 news with this please?

I don’t believe I’ve said any of what you outlined.

Don’t deflect now that you’ve used the example of capital punishment, said we couldn’t ratify the ECHR until it was abolished without realising we were the first nation to ratify it...

 

[Grendel]

I don’t believe I’ve said any of what you outlined.

Don’t deflect now that you’ve used the example of capital punishment, said we couldn’t ratify the ECHR until it was abolished without realising we were the first nation to ratify it...

Not the protocol than actually referred to capital punishment but oh well.

 

[Astute]

You used to come out with ‘the truth’ and tell us I’d all be okay and they’d come begging to the UK thanks to British people liking wine and cheese and driving cars.

For someone who claims to be neutral, you’re probably the most active and anti-EU poster on this forum. Your posting history demonstrates you aren’t neutral, to claim otherwise is hilarious.

Is that why I caught you out today? I'm not surprised that you don't like honesty on this thread.

I said the EU would relent right near the end of the time and not want it to be hard on everyone. Correct. And they have. Another thing I got right.

 

[skybluetony176]

Not the protocol than actually referred to capital punishment but oh well.

You’re still selling that line then even though I’ve pm’d you the relevant document which shows you that the protocol you’re referring to was written 4 years after 1998 and ratified 5 years after. That’s before you even get into it’s a Council of Europe convention not an EU convention and we signed up to to the original convention some 20 odd years before we joined the EU.

 

[Astute]

Both you and astute seem to come out that line every week

Took him off twice in a few months. But the shite started again. Not putting up with insults from an idiot.

 

[Astute]

Britain was the very first country to ratify the European Convention of Human Rights, back in 1951. Before we outlawed capital punishment.

The Human Rights Act of 1998 brought the ECHR into British Law and the our law pretty much copied the EU laws word for word

As I outlined earlier, EU laws and regulations will still influence us post-Brexit as the UK Government is literally copying most EU regulations word for word.

You outlined that we didn't have to follow regulations. I hope at least you know better now.

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

Not the protocol than actually referred to capital punishment but oh well.

In the 50s onwards, most European countries practiced capital punishment. The UK abolished peacetime capital punishment in 1965. This is before the likes of Greece (1972 & 75), France (1977 & 81), Hungary (1988 & 1990), Latvia (1990 & 96), Luxembourg (1979), Poland (1988 & 1997) — first year denotes last use of capital punishment, and when it was formally abolished in peacetime. I appreciate some of these countries dictatorships, but notably, France practiced capital punishment for a decade after the UK abolished it. In ‘war time’, it’s a different context, but even the Republic of Ireland didn’t formally abolish capital punishment for treason until 2002 (there’s more but you should get the jist from the last list).

I sincerely hope this discourse is informative.

 

[Captain Dart]

Lool there will never be a consensus on this topic, however I think it will be the first one to crack 1000 pages.

 

[Astute]

Might just be simply the most sensible thing to do to get things sorted

Agreed. And that is what the idea is. But some on here still ignore what the EU has stated as it doesn't go with the lines they constantly come out with. Then they call me biased for pointing out the truth.

 

[Astute]

I don’t believe I’ve said any of what you outlined.

Don’t deflect now that you’ve used the example of capital punishment, said we couldn’t ratify the ECHR until it was abolished without realising we were the first nation to ratify it...

Yes you did. You kept telling me that I am wrong for saying that we have to follow regulations.

 

[Astute]

Lool there will never be a consensus on this topic, however I think it will be the first one to crack 1000 pages.

With 900 pages of the same old posts and 99 pages saying how we will crash and burn and that the EU doesn't need us..... although they have stated hardly anything will change for at least a year so they can protect the others in the EU.

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

You outlined that we didn't have to follow regulations. I hope at least you know better now.

Nope, if that’s the takeaway from my points, your analysis is simplistic.

I outlined how the UK parliaments makes law, which as we see, the EU plays no physical part. Furthermore, I said the EU can sanction member states. To summarise, the EU can’t force national parliaments to comply with its laws as it does not possess a mechanism to block legislation. However, there is a process by which the EU can sanction, or if need be, expel a member state who persistently violate EU principles. This, however, is not quite the same as saying we physically need EU permission to pass legislation — that is simply not true.

 

[Astute]

Nope, if that’s the takeaway from my points, your analysis is simplistic.

I outlined how the UK parliaments makes law, which as we see, the EU plays no physical part. Furthermore, I said the EU can sanction member states. To summarise, the EU can’t force national parliaments to comply with its laws as it does not possess a mechanism to block legislation. However, there is a process by which the EU can sanction, or if need be, expel a member state who persistently violate EU principles. This, however, is not quite the same as saying we physically need EU permission to pass legislation — that is simply not true.

Wrong again. I have explained it to you and shown you the evidence. You stopped coming out with false information but have now started again.

EU regulations become law. Full stop. As you know Mart never disagreed with this as he knows it is true. And as I posted the evidence he won't even try as usual to make out that I am wrong. If I was or he thought there was a chance I wasn't sure he would be all over it.

But when the EU passes directives we then have to pass the laws through ourselves. And we can change them to suit.

Do you need me to prove it to you again?

 

[Sick Boy]

With 900 pages of the same old posts and 99 pages saying how we will crash and burn and that the EU doesn't need us..... although they have stated hardly anything will change for at least a year so they can protect the others in the EU.

When’s your family moving over to France? Better hope there’s a deal otherwise they’ll possibly end up having to take a theory and practical test over there.

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

Wrong again. I have explained it to you and shown you the evidence. You stopped coming out with false information but have now started again.

EU regulations become law. Full stop. As you know Mart never disagreed with this as he knows it is true. And as I posted the evidence he won't even try as usual to make out that I am wrong. If I was or he thought there was a chance I wasn't sure he would be all over it.

But when the EU passes directives we then have to pass the laws through ourselves. And we can change them to suit.

Do you need me to prove it to you again?

If EU regulations became UK law, name one such EU law that is on the UK statute book.

Just one.

 

[Astute]

When’s your family moving over to France? Better hope there’s a deal otherwise they’ll possibly end up having to take a theory and practical test over there.

Will have to hope for the best. But the EU has extended nearly everything for at least a year after the end of March. So we should be OK. The transition period lasts until the end of 2020. So whatever happens we have nearly 2 years to move and apply for settled status.

 

[Astute]

If EU regulations became UK law, name one such EU law that is on the UK statute book.

Just one.

EU regulations.

Freedom.of movement. It is law.

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

EU regulations.

Freedom.of movement. It is law.

Ok, name the specific EU law that is on the statute book. Can’t be that hard of what I’m saying is wrong like you say.

 

[Astute]

Ok, name the specific EU law that is on the statute book. Can’t be that hard of what I’m saying is wrong like you say.

Not got time to waste on someone who is happy digging a bigger and bigger hole. Getting ready for work.

Are you specifically saying that we can ignore EU regulations or do they become law? Wasn't the evidence I gave you good enough?

 

[Sick Boy]

Will have to hope for the best. But the EU has extended nearly everything for at least a year after the end of March. So we should be OK. The transition period lasts until the end of 2020. So whatever happens we have nearly 2 years to move and apply for settled status.

That’s only going to apply if an agreement is made, if there’s no deal there will be no transition period.

If I were you I would wait and see what happens, otherwise you could run into problems without having residency.

 

[Otis]

Lool there will never be a consensus on this topic, however I think it will be the first one to crack 1000 pages.

Time for a .....

 

[Sick Boy]

I don’t believe I’ve said any of what you outlined.

Don’t deflect now that you’ve used the example of capital punishment, said we couldn’t ratify the ECHR until it was abolished without realising we were the first nation to ratify it...

I don’t think that will matter to him

 

[SIR ERNIE]

I see Liam Fox this morning has said that delaying Brexit is worse than no deal.

Well as the true objective of those plotting to delay Brexit is actually to overturn the result of the referendum, he's absolutely right.

 

[Otis]

Well as the true objective of those plotting to delay Brexit is actually to overturn the result of the referendum, he's absolutely right.

Total rubbish.

A no deal is better than a delay and a better deal?

That's a nonsense.

We can't just guess that a delay will mean no Brexit at all, or another referendum, cos that is indeed just a guess.

 

[Sick Boy]

Total rubbish.

A no deal is better than a delay and a better deal?

That's a nonsense.

We can't just guess that a delay WILL mean no Brexit at all, or another referendum.

The ideology of the whole thing is more important than the prosperity of the country to some people.

...and then they claim to be patriots.

 

[Otis]

The ideology of the whole thing is more important than the prosperity of the country to some people.

...and then they claim to be patriots.

Indeed.

A bit rich too coming from a Conservative supporter whose own party is blocking a deal going through.

 

[Otis]

Oh, and it is party popper time.

We broke 30,000 posts on this thread.

 

[SIR ERNIE]

We can't just guess that a delay will mean no Brexit at all, or another referendum, cos that is indeed just a guess.

Yes we can, it'll definitely be one or the other.

 

[Otis]

Yes we can, it'll definitely be one or the other.

We don't know that.

We have absolutely no idea that an extension of Article 50 won't result in a better deal.

It would need May to step down first though I would have thought.

She had totally failed and been a complete disaster, both to her own party and to the country.

 

[SIR ERNIE]

We have absolutely no idea that an extension of Article 50 won't result in a better deal.

Naive in the extreme.

She had totally failed and been a complete disaster, both to her own party and to the country.

On that we agree

 

[Otis]

Naive in the extreme.



On that we agree

It is still an assumption. None of us know the future.

Very likely, yes, but a new leader at the helm could bring a totally fresh look to things.

Politics is a strange beast. We should all know that and goalposts do get moved.

 

[skybluetony176]

Well as the true objective of those plotting to delay Brexit is actually to overturn the result of the referendum, he's absolutely right.

Which is odd because Liam “it will be the easiest deal in history” Fox hasn’t even got 40 trade deals transferred (that’s transferred not renegotiated) over in time for brexit at the end of March so delaying Brexit is a good idea if only because he hasn’t done his job.

 

[Otis]

I'm sure the EU see the prime minister as weak and without the backing of her own government.

 

[Grendel]

In the 50s onwards, most European countries practiced capital punishment. The UK abolished peacetime capital punishment in 1965. This is before the likes of Greece (1972 & 75), France (1977 & 81), Hungary (1988 & 1990), Latvia (1990 & 96), Luxembourg (1979), Poland (1988 & 1997) — first year denotes last use of capital punishment, and when it was formally abolished in peacetime. I appreciate some of these countries dictatorships, but notably, France practiced capital punishment for a decade after the UK abolished it. In ‘war time’, it’s a different context, but even the Republic of Ireland didn’t formally abolish capital punishment for treason until 2002 (there’s more but you should get the jist from the last list).

I sincerely hope this discourse is informative.

Not really because we didn’t remove capital punishment until 1998