The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (184 Viewers)

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As of right now, how are thinking of voting? In or out

  • Remain

    Votes: 23 37.1%

  • Leave

    Votes: 35 56.5%

  • Undecided

    Votes: 3 4.8%

  • Not registered or not intention to vote

    Votes: 1 1.6%
  • Total voters
    62
  • Poll closed .
Sky Blue Pete

Sky Blue Pete

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Astute said:
Look at the BBC. It is project fear and nothing else. There was a major catastrophe last week. It was all about stockpiling ice cream. But try and find anything against the EU. Even the readers comments are constantly saying about the bias from an organisation that should be totally unbiased in every way.
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Even if one accepts the bbc is not balanced, which is far from factual then one can’t say the Press is not balanced surely
 
Astute

Astute

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Sick Boy said:
What are you going on about? The EIB?

Anyway, it was agreed before the referendum that the UK would be exempt from funding Eurozone bailouts.
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So you know that the EIB wouldn't get involved in the case of a financial meltdown by a country owing it billions already?

Agreed yes. But that doesn't mean that it wouldn't happen in an emergency situation.
 
Astute

Astute

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Sky Blue Pete said:
Even if one accepts the bbc is not balanced, which is far from factual then one can’t say the Press is not balanced surely
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The BBC being biased is very factual.

And most of the press is also biased. Some biased for Brexit and some biased against Brexit.
 
Sky Blue Pete

Sky Blue Pete

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Astute said:
The BBC being biased is very factual.

And most of the press is also biased. Some biased for Brexit and some biased against Brexit.
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I don’t get that at all, it’s ok but what facts are there that show the bbc is biased to stay in the Eu? And I think there are more pro brexit publications in the press than remain. But none are balanced really
 
Astute

Astute

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Sky Blue Pete said:
I don’t get that at all, it’s ok but what facts are there that show the bbc is biased to stay in the Eu? And I think there are more pro brexit publications in the press than remain. But none are balanced really
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The BBC is funded by the public. We have no choice but to fund the BBC. So it has to be unbiased.

Stop bias against Brexit or face fine, BBC warned

BBC bias helps to write off a no-deal Brexit

BBC Flagship Shows Still Have Remain Panel Bias -
 
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martcov

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Astute said:
So you know that the EIB wouldn't get involved in the case of a financial meltdown by a country owing it billions already?

Agreed yes. But that doesn't mean that it wouldn't happen in an emergency situation.
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Yeah yeah sure. Do you know what the EIB does?
 
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martcov

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Ashdown

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Astute said:
And there is the problem. We had Tories that don't have a clue what it is like to be on your arse in life thinking everything is great. They only saw the benefits from being in the EU. So they thought it would be an easy vote winner to offer the UKIP voters a referendum if they voted Tory. Nobody would vote leave would they?

Look at how many deniers we have on here. They refuse to acknowledge the bad in the EU. Yes we would be better off staying in the EU. But not everyone is better off.

Look at the latest statistics from the last couple of years. The French population is seen as continuing to decline. The German population is seen to continue to flatline or even go down by millions. But by 2050 the UK population is seen as continuing to grow at a pace that by 2050 we would have the largest population in Europe. When will it end?

UK to have biggest population in Europe within a generation

UK population to be the largest in Europe by 2050, driven by immigration and an ageing population

In the short term it is good for the economy. But what about long term when we end up with millions more older people that needs looking after? Or what about the millions more cars on the already gridlocked roads? We are a small island. The toxins are concentrated. We are not a massive country like Germany or France.

So why do so many want to come to the UK and not Germany?


And the 500,000,000 in the EU is a big number over the 28 countries. But the UK is over 13% of this total. Yes every 1 in 8 people in the EU now lives in the UK. But we are only the eighth largest country in land mass.

But when you put it down to England the land mass is much smaller yet the population doesn't go down a massive amount. Yet it is England that most want to move to.

But yeah it should continue some say.
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And importantly much of that landmass is uninhabitable.
 
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Ashdown

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martcov said:
So. It’s all about FOM. Which you deny is your hobby horse.

Who refuses to see bad in the EU?

You are frightened by immigration. I think EU migration will slow as the Eastern European countries catch up. Net EU Immigration is declining already, but our population is getting older on average and we need migration. Non EU migration is replacing EU migration so I don’t know how you are winning on that by leaving. The figures taken in the articles were from 2015 at a peak in EU migration. 500000 are not going to come to the UK every year even if it is a big number.

What makes you think that Germany doesn’t have immigration? I thought we lived under mad Merkel who has invited the world to Germany?

You are assuming that EU migration continues at the present ( 2015 ) rate and that EU citizens will not go home when they are older. Non EU are less likely to go home than EU because of geography and possibly health care.
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Non EU, EU....,.it's the numbers people refer to from wherever.
 
Otis

Otis

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Have skipped the last few pages, so have obviously missed absolutely nothing, but what's the thought on the Tusk comment?

He was right wasn't he? I don't quite understand all the outrage. What am I missing?

Not professionally worded or delivered, but he's only talking about those who wanted to leave but had absolutely no plan isn't he?

Seems to me that ANYONE who wants to leave is hurt by it. Obviously not aimed at everyone at all.
 
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martcov

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Otis said:
Have skipped the last few pages, so have obviously missed absolutely nothing, but what's the thought on the Tusk comment?

He was right wasn't he? I don't quite understand all the outrage. What am I missing?

Not professionally worded or delivered, but he's only talking about those who wanted to leave but had absolutely no plan isn't he?

Seems to me that ANYONE who wants to leave is hurt by it. Obviously not aimed at everyone at all.
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We should have an opposition saying exactly what Tusk said. It is the truth.

Now Redwood is saying there will be no problems at the ports because we will just wave the trucks through.

How come leavers aren’t up in arms? It is an open borders policy. Bound to be abused by migrants who don’t want to stay in France. They were told they were voting to control borders... Redwood is now saying exactly the opposite.
 
Astute

Astute

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Sick Boy said:
You've resorted to using GF as a source?

Oh dear.
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The Telegraph and The Times? Why no mention of them?

Would you like a bigger list? Just took the first 3. And not on the same reason either.
 
Astute

Astute

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martcov said:
Yeah yeah sure. Do you know what the EIB does?
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Yes. It loans money to Turkey to take jobs out of the UK. Not bad considering that it's main purpose is to lend to EU countries.
 
Astute

Astute

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martcov said:
Try reading the complaints about Radio 4 bias and Andrew Neil.
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The BBC is funded by the public who have no choice on paying.

So Andrew Neil and Radio 4 are as big as the BBC?
 
Astute

Astute

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martcov said:
We should have an opposition saying exactly what Tusk said. It is the truth.

Now Redwood is saying there will be no problems at the ports because we will just wave the trucks through.

How come leavers aren’t up in arms? It is an open borders policy. Bound to be abused by migrants who don’t want to stay in France. They were told they were voting to control borders... Redwood is now saying exactly the opposite.
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We had this the other day. SB was spitting feathers until I showed evidence that the French are also putting 50m into it and waving the trucks through. But France isn't planning to leave the EU so it doesn't count on here.
 
Astute

Astute

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Otis said:
Have skipped the last few pages, so have obviously missed absolutely nothing, but what's the thought on the Tusk comment?

He was right wasn't he? I don't quite understand all the outrage. What am I missing?

Not professionally worded or delivered
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You ask the question then give the answer.

Most countries if not all in the EU want a deal with us. But they have no say. It is down to people like Tusk who has a dubious background. Others at the top of the EU also have a dubious background. Countries of the EU keep banging on about changes need to be made in the EU. But it is up to those with dubious backgrounds to relinquish power.

Yes Mart. Dubious backgrounds. Shall we debate it yet again?
 
Astute

Astute

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martcov said:
The Times, opinion piece by Melanie Philipos: Melanie Phillips - RationalWiki
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Stop bias against Brexit or face fine, BBC warned

BBC was not impartial during Brexit referendum, ITV's Robert Peston says

A new one from yesterday

BBC faces Brexit bias accusations over £4m in EU funding

Civitas paper lays bare 18 years of BBC anti Brexit bias

Campaigners attack BBC Brexit ‘bias’

IEA analysis shows systemic bias against ‘Leave’ supporters on flagship BBC political programmes — Institute of Economic Affairs

How many more would you like? That is off first page of Google search.
 
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martcov

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Astute said:
You ask the question then give the answer.

Most countries if not all in the EU want a deal with us. But they have no say. It is down to people like Tusk who has a dubious background. Others at the top of the EU also have a dubious background. Countries of the EU keep banging on about changes need to be made in the EU. But it is up to those with dubious backgrounds to relinquish power.

Yes Mart. Dubious backgrounds. Shall we debate it yet again?
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Jesus wept. Do you know what Tusk‘s position is? H is elected to represent the views of the Council. 27 States which you claim he doesn’t represent. He is their spokesperson.
 
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martcov

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Astute said:
Stop bias against Brexit or face fine, BBC warned

BBC was not impartial during Brexit referendum, ITV's Robert Peston says

A new one from yesterday

BBC faces Brexit bias accusations over £4m in EU funding

Civitas paper lays bare 18 years of BBC anti Brexit bias

Campaigners attack BBC Brexit ‘bias’

IEA analysis shows systemic bias against ‘Leave’ supporters on flagship BBC political programmes — Institute of Economic Affairs

How many more would you like? That is off first page of Google search.
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Did you actually read them?
 
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