The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (120 Viewers)

[Astute]

I don’t know where the post is. I explained several times that the second report came whilst I was working. I corrected myself as soon as I got the verdict. You still haven’t apologized for your deliberate smears and lies.

Deliberate smears and lies?

Your posts disappeared?

I'm glad you never come out with bullshit about me :shifty:

 

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[martcov]

I haven't lost it.

I detest liars and lying. Look at Mart still trying to make out that there was nothing wrong with the appointment of Selmayr. Look at what else he comes out with. I can understand a mistake. But a year later coming out with the same diatribe? Then others agree with what he says.

It is an absolute joke.

Another fxxking lie. I have said all along that it was a sham. The only point of contention was whether the law was broken or not. The first report said it was stretched and possibly even broken. That means not actually broken, as honest Astute was claiming. Öttinger had a right to reply. He did, but was overruled in the final report.

You made the mistake by saying the law was broken before the final report had found that. It is a joke. Because you don’t comprehend most things on here, you assume I am a liar.

 

[martcov]

Deliberate smears and lies?

Your posts disappeared?

I'm glad you never come out with bullshit about me :shifty:

If my post disappeared, check with Nick, but don’t call me a liar. Yes deliberate smears and lies. That is what you constantly do. You are being constantly called out on here by others for twisting.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

If my post disappeared, check with Nick, but don’t call me a liar. Yes deliberate smears and lies. That is what you constantly do. You are being constantly called out on here by others for twisting.

I repeat my advice to Astute.

For the love of Pete, make it stop!

 

[olderskyblue]

12 minutes and counting.....

 

[skybluetony176]

Yes you gave an excuse on why you voted UKIP. What was your excuse for the racist remarks?

So now I did explain why I voted UKIP on one occasion rather than being as you twisted a UKIP voter. An admission of twisting.

I didn’t make a racist remark I called a white Irish man a performing monkey for Grendull and at some point after called the same white Irish man monkey boy in reference to the previous observation. For the record I also call my children cheeky monkey, I always sing along to the song monkey man by the specials and have often referred to Ian Brown by his self imposed nickname of monkey man. All of which I’m sure you’re more than capable of twisting into a racial slur even though there’s no context to racism when used.

You’ve just spent umpteen pages being a Nazi sympathiser. I’d quite before you get any further behind if I was you.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

12 minutes and counting.....

And coming in from the side...

 

[martcov]

How about showing evidence for once or stop digging a bigger hole. So what if you made wrong comments. The worse is you feel as though you have to keep them up.

You’ve had evidence that the Nazis thought that Churchill was a war criminal. That he was to be arrested. The leaders in France were put on trial by Vichy France. Others in other defeated countries were executed. Yet that is not enough to convince you that the Nazis classed Churchill as a war criminal or would have tried him or executed him for war crimes.

 

[martcov]

I repeat my advice to Astute.

For the love of Pete, make it stop!

He‘ll deny that he loves Pete and say he hates liars.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

He‘ll deny that he loves Pete and say he hates liars.

C'mon now, give it a break. You've made your point - move on!

 

[martcov]

C'mon now, give it a break. You've made your point - move on!

Trying to. Every time I think it is over, comes the next smear.

 

[martcov]

My rabid accusations that both enquiries agreed on you mean? And MEP's voting for Selmayr to go. Only 12 voting for Selmayr out of over 500 and 10 of them were affiliated to Selmayr and Juncker?

So now you admit that what you call rabid accusations that I come out with are actually the truth. But those who run the EU still try to say nothing was wrong although two enquiries have found it to be wrong in law as well as procedures.

No I don’t. I still say you were wrong to say the law was broken according to the ombudswoman‘s first report. Those running the EU have to accept the final report. Twisting again.

 

[Otis]

So let me get this straight. Are we saying that if we can confirm that Churchill was indeed a war criminal and would have been tried by the Nazis, that could seal May's deal with the EU?

 

[Deleted member 5849]

I had a terrible nightmare. I had a day off, and instead of doing something productive, I wasted my time reading a ridiculous thread as two anonymous people on the internet bored the world with circular repetitive chat and identical insults to one another:banghead:

 

[martcov]

So let me get this straight. Are we saying that if we can confirm that Churchill was indeed a war criminal and would have been tried by the Nazis that could seal May's deal with the EU?

May‘s deal would be the easy bit.

 

[martcov]

I had a terrible nightmare. I had a day off, and instead of doing something productive, I wasted my time reading a ridiculous thread as two anonymous people on the internet bored the world with circular repetitive chat and identical insults to one another:banghead:

I‘m working. Everything is getting screwed up because someone is intent on smearing me on the internet. A ridiculous discussion about the bloody obvious. I am going to stop now because it’s screwing my business up.

 

[Grendel]

I might go and buy some Bratwurst later. Quite fancy a large sausage.

No euphemisms in there, either!

It’s like an episode of Allo Allo

 

[Deleted member 5849]

I am going to stop now

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

It’s like an episode of Allo Allo

More like Dad’s Army where Astute is Churchill

 

[Astute]

No I don’t. I still say you were wrong to say the law was broken according to the ombudswoman‘s first report. Those running the EU have to accept the final report. Twisting again.

1, The second report agreed with the first report.

2, If the EU has accepted the second report why does he still hold the position he shouldn't have got? Even you said it was good news that everyone would be able to see how transparent the EU is if Selmayr resigns. Then I pointed out to you that it was last year and he was still in the position.

Yet you call it rabid anti EU rants still from when I said his appointment was against EU rules and regulations. The Ombudsman went even further and said it was also against EU law.

 

[martcov]

1, The second report agreed with the first report.

2, If the EU has accepted the second report why does he still hold the position he shouldn't have got? Even you said it was good news that everyone would be able to see how transparent the EU is if Selmayr resigns. Then I pointed out to you that it was last year and he was still in the position.

Yet you call it rabid anti EU rants still from when I said his appointment was against EU rules and regulations. The Ombudsman went even further and said it was also against EU law.

1. the second report went mich further than the first one. As you admit in point 2.

2. the EU has to accept the report. He has probably got employment rights and probably will appeal. The EU elections are coming up, so I presume noowill happen until Juncker‘s successot takes over.

But, you can read about how binding the report is on the internet.

Now leave it.

 

[Grendel]

In typical Mart fashion he lied

 

[Deleted member 5849]

In typical Mart fashion he lied

Don't you start!

 

[Captain Dart]

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It’s like an episode of Allo Allo

Not in the least, no one says something only once they say the same things time and time and time again and no one, absolutely no one listens carefully.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Christ alive.

Amen

 

[Astute]

1. the second report went mich further than the first one. As you admit in point 2.

2. the EU has to accept the report. He has probably got employment rights and probably will appeal. The EU elections are coming up, so I presume noowill happen until Juncker‘s successot takes over.

But, you can read about how binding the report is on the internet.

Now leave it.

Me leave it?

That is the problem I have with you. You come out with your version of events and don't like it when you get corrected. You had just said about my rabid comments about Selmayr. The comments that were proven by two investigations.

Employment law? Is this another barrel to scrape? He shouldn't have got the position. The only people who think he should keep it are those who gave him the position. MEP's who you say give us a say in the EU spoke. They said he should go. They got ignored. All leaders of the countries that make up the EU want change. But guess what. Those who run the show and carry on as usual even when getting caught out refuse to change. Even you sometimes admit reform in the EU is needed.

But it is all OK because you have come out with the idea that employment law makes it OK. But strangely enough those in the know never mentioned a word about it.

 

[martcov]

Me leave it?

That is the problem I have with you. You come out with your version of events and don't like it when you get corrected. You had just said about my rabid comments about Selmayr. The comments that were proven by two investigations.

Employment law? Is this another barrel to scrape? He shouldn't have got the position. The only people who think he should keep it are those who gave him the position. MEP's who you say give us a say in the EU spoke. They said he should go. They got ignored. All leaders of the countries that make up the EU want change. But guess what. Those who run the show and carry on as usual even when getting caught out refuse to change. Even you sometimes admit reform in the EU is needed.

But it is all OK because you have come out with the idea that employment law makes it OK. But strangely enough those in the know never mentioned a word about it.

FFS. You got the last bit wrong.

He is an employee not a politician, which means he has rights. IMO he won’t be going anywhere before the EU elections, because the new EC President will have to nominate a successor if he goes.

Nowhere have I said that makes it all ok.

More lies.

MEPs are not his direct employers and can only ask him to resign. The same as in any parliament. The civil servants are employees. MEPs can legislate. That is not the same as running the civil service.

Everyone in every government wants change, but it takes time and discussion. That’s the same in the EU as in the UK. Nothing unusual.

Your comments were wrong at the time you made them because the objections had not been considered.

You haven’t corrected me. I have corrected you, as usual. More lies.

 

[Grendel]

FFS. You got the last bit wrong.

He is an employee not a politician, which means he has rights. IMO he won’t be going anywhere before the EU elections, because the new EC President will have to nominate a successor if he goes.

Nowhere have I said that makes it all ok.

More lies.

MEPs are not his direct employers and can only ask him to resign. The same as in any parliament. The civil servants are employees. MEPs can legislate. That is not the same as running the civil service.

Everyone in every government wants change, but it takes time and discussion. That’s the same in the EU as in the UK. Nothing unusual.

Your comments were wrong at the time you made them because the objections had not been considered.

You haven’t corrected me. I have corrected you, as usual. More lies.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

This could run beyond 29/3

 

[Deleted member 5849]

 

[martcov]

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Wrong again

 

[Astute]

FFS. You got the last bit wrong.

He is an employee not a politician, which means he has rights. IMO he won’t be going anywhere before the EU elections, because the new EC President will have to nominate a successor if he goes.

Nowhere have I said that makes it all ok.

More lies.

MEPs are not his direct employers and can only ask him to resign. The same as in any parliament. The civil servants are employees. MEPs can legislate. That is not the same as running the civil service.

Everyone in every government wants change, but it takes time and discussion. That’s the same in the EU as in the UK. Nothing unusual.

Your comments were wrong at the time you made them because the objections had not been considered.

You haven’t corrected me. I have corrected you, as usual. More lies.

He is an employee? Oh Mart.

He is now the strongest person in the EU. The job is his for as long as he wants. 99% agree he should go. This includes those in the EU. He has been voted against. His appointment was against EU law. His appointment was against EU rules. His appointment was against EU regulations.

You even Saud it would be best if he went as it would show that the EU is transparent. So do you agree now that the EU isn't transparent?

Of course you won't. All the leaders of the countries in the EU want to take their power back. They have had enough of those who hand each other jobs telling them what they must do.

But you make excuses for this.

You ask me if I think we should be in the EU. I say I think we are better off in the EU. But if it all comes crashing down we would most probably be better off out of it. And things are not going well.

But what do you expect when it is run by those who care about other things than what is best for the people of the EU. Nobody wants them to run the EU but themselves.

 

[martcov]

He is an employee? Oh Mart.

He is now the strongest person in the EU. The job is his for as long as he wants. 99% agree he should go. This includes those in the EU. He has been voted against. His appointment was against EU law. His appointment was against EU rules. His appointment was against EU regulations.

You even Saud it would be best if he went as it would show that the EU is transparent. So do you agree now that the EU isn't transparent?

Of course you won't. All the leaders of the countries in the EU want to take their power back. They have had enough of those who hand each other jobs telling them what they must do.

But you make excuses for this.

You ask me if I think we should be in the EU. I say I think we are better off in the EU. But if it all comes crashing down we would most probably be better off out of it. And things are not going well.

But what do you expect when it is run by those who care about other things than what is best for the people of the EU. Nobody wants them to run the EU but themselves.

He was appointed to run the civil service.

What you say about handing each other jobs is correct and is why they have pulled them up on the Selmayr appointment.

The complaint is that they didn’t follow procedure to appoint him, so they can hardly sack him without following procedure.

You are wrong that all leaders want to take their power back.

Merkel and Macron have just said the opposite. They want to reform the EU to make it stronger, not to split it.

I have made no excuses for anything, just pointed out facts.

You’ve covered yourself by saying it would be better for us in, but if it collapses it would be better for us out.

Whatever happens you will say you were right as usual.

 

[Alan Dugdales Moustache]

C'mon now, give it a break. You've made your point - move on!

Haha. You realise you're just egging then on. This is a juggernaut rolling downhill with no brakes.

 

[Alan Dugdales Moustache]

Trying to. Every time I think it is over, comes the next smear.

Pull your hand off your knob then.