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I've given up. We'll know judgement day has arrived, because it's the only way one of Astute or mart will get to have the last word!
The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (53 Viewers)
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Astute
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Covered myself?
No I am being truthful.
Yes Merkel and Macron want to make it stronger. They want a part on the decision making. As you k ow it is down to those who are not leaders of the countries in the EU and who pay for the project. Or would you like to explain how they could make it stronger without getting rid of those who make the decisions.
Not following procedure and giving a job to someone that shouldn't have got it means nothing? The procedures should be followed to replace him. It should be done within the rules. It should be done within the regulations. It should be done within the law. And it hasn't been. So legally he hasn't got a leg to stand on. You know this.
Astute
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Judgement day is a long way away. There are many things to be fudged before a decision is made on how a decision is made.
We will not leave the EU fully. The only matter to be decided is how much we will remain a part of it. I see a customs union with a big possibility of FOM remaining. I can see us being after our own sort of deal and the EU saying no. And the final result depending on how many billions we hand over each year.
Neither you nor I know what his lawyers would argue if it comes to an employment court.
But, if he is dismissed it must be done according to the procedures.
Maybe he will be allowed to reapply for his own job. Who knows?
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God I hope not, the sooner the four horsemen rock up, the better!
Astute
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Could they argue that the job should be his when he engineered it with Juncker?
He should go. And you agreed he should go. Otherwise the faith in the way the EU is run will continue to diminish.
Astute
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Wouldn't surprise me if it was still going on in a couple of years.
We want a good deal. The EU doesn't want us to have a good deal. And MP's won't allow us to leave without a deal.
And the longer it goes on for the more chance we will stay in as we are now.
I don’t know.
Half of us don’t want to leave and that is reflected in parliament.
King of the Lesbians
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As long as the horses aren't racing.
They don't like racing unless they are being ridden by Hitler or something...
Astute
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A third wants to leave. A third wants to remain. And the other third can't make their mind up. Their vote is fluid depending on what is happening that week/month. Scare stories work for some but make others go the other way.
What we need is something impossible. MP's and all those involved to be truthful to us. All of them get together and put a list together. A list of things that would and wouldn't happen if we leave. A list of things that would and wouldn't happen if we remain. A list of things that might happen. A list of benefits and drawbacks on both. Cut out the lies. Cut out the scare stories. Let people decide on reality and not the present bullshit.
Difficult to predict the future, but we know the present in the EU.
We do know that any friction caused by regulatory differences and tariffs will be detrimental as they involve more costs and less efficiency.
We don’t know how long it will take and how beneficial it will be to make new trade deals. We do know that it won’t be as quick or easy as promised. We should realise by now that negotiating trade deals from the position of a distressed trading partner is a poor negotiating stance.
Based on that, remaining is the safer option.
Alan Dugdales Moustache
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You've been awake all night to state the bleeding obvious once again. You need a life . Clearly this is all you do.
Astute
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It is difficult to predict the future whatever happens.
The EU needs us more than many realise or care to admit. The problem is that they can't be seen to be weak. And they also need to keep the money rolling in. Let's forget about the money for farming subsidies for now. An MEP is on over €7,500 A month IIRC. There is about 750 MEP's. So about €67,500,000 A year in wages. Then you have thousands more working in the EU. IIRC they get a pension of nearly €30,000 For just 10 years work. The more years the higher the pension. How many already have pension rights or already collect a pension not available to the paying public? So the pension bill grows by about 2m a year without inflation. And this is only for MEP's.
Most countries in the EU are struggling. It is mainly massive debt, high unemployment, recession or more than one of these. Yet if we leave this money has to be replaced or saved. If saved it means working out where it isn't needed. If it isn't needed it shouldn't have been paid out to start.
And before you say it this isn't an anti EU rant. It is the main reason I see the EU wanting a deal however much they posture and make out they don't need us. They don't exactly need us but it would cause many problems without easy trade with us and the money we hand over.
It is the same for the UK. We don't depend on easy trade with the EU. But it would cause many problems if we leave without a deal.
We could sit here for days listing the problems caused for both sides. Both would most probably survive without each other. But it would be a disaster for some companies and areas. This is both sides of the channel.
So yes it would be utter madness for both sides to spit their dummies out. It is like a poker hand where neither has a good hand and are both trying to bluff. And both are crap at bluffing.
skybluetony176
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And the incompetence in the name of brexit continues
Government pays £33m over Brexit ferry case
Project reality
Government pays £33m over Brexit ferry case
Project reality
chiefdave
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Sure I remember the government saying the mess they made of this wouldn't cost the taxpayer any money.
chiefdave
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In other Chris Grayling being brilliant at his job news
‘Dangerous’ part-privatisation of probation services costing taxpayers extra £467m, watchdog finds
Sky Blue Pete
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Failing Grayling
SkyblueBazza
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Everytime any of the idiots open their mouths it seems to cost the taxpayer money...regardless of which party is in Govt.
Just another in a long line of issues demonstrating the uncanny knack of politicians for lying through their teeth if you ask ne
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skybluetony176
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SkyblueBazza
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skybluetony176
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The Spanish government are taking steps to protect the rights of British citizens. We’re supposed to be taking back control. This is only happening because we’re out of control.
SkyblueBazza
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So you doubt the British Govt have had zero contact or discussion with foreign authorities about protecting Brits living abroad? You doubt the Spanish had willing ears too given the spending power of saiid Brits?
Do you doubt it because it is announced by the Spanish? Or because the British Govt hasn't contacted you personally to explain that, just like some of us have repeatedly told you since even before any Brexit negotiations even started, lots happens behind the scenes.
I am surprised, given your instant suspicion that any negative news like Honda & Nissan & JL is a direct result of Brexit, that you aren't shouting JL latest announcement from the rooftops as the same!
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skybluetony176
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And you accuse me of saying something stupid.
Astute
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We wanted to secure the futures of everyone living here that had come from other EU countries. But the EU refused to talk about it until the next part of the talks.
Really? Why do the EU have to talk about it? If we gave everyone the same rights as they have now, what are the EU disputing or why don’t they want that?
Astute
Well-Known Member
Why do you try to make something out of nothing all the time?
We wanted it sorted from the start. But the EU refused.
Astute
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Depends what sort of criminal record would deny them status. It is checking their UK record. I wouldn't be against someone with serious crimes since they came to the UK being refused. Just like I would have no sympathy for anyone from the UK committing serious crimes elsewhere in the EU being refused permission to stay there.
This is example of what you refer to as refusing. They didn’t accept the way crime were to be assessed. You would call that refusing because they wanted different criteria.
Captain Dart
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They don't want all that pension spending to evaporate, self interest.
Sick Boy
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That’s bending the truth quite a bit. The rights of citizens has been a key bargaining chip of the UK, which shows just how weak the UK’s hand has been.
skybluetony176
Well-Known Member
That may be so but they’re still taking measures to protect the rights of British citizens. It also debunks the sovereignty argument somewhat given Spain are making this sovereign decision by themselves with no interference from the EU.