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Which is what it boils down to.
New keeper? (4 Viewers)
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Terry Gibson's perm
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The answer is don’t look for a 2k a week keeper don’t waste time and money signing players like Bosma and spend more money on a smaller squad
Liquid Gold
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If we took a portion of the money we've spunked away on the outfield and given a good keeper a decent wage we'd be in the playoffs. Ogogo and Brown's wages and signing on fee alone would give us a very good keeper for this level.
Mucca Mad Boys
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That’s simply not the case. Our inability to finish chances has cost us way more points than Burge or any GK could cost us this season.
On Friday, had Thomas scored that 1v1, we probably win that game. Burge fucked up big time because had he not made his catalog of mistakes, we may have held on for a draw. However, at 2-1 up, even with a red card, the likelihood is that get something from the game.
Burge frankly had a horror show, there’s no excuse for that performance. But, that doesn’t mean other players get a free pass because Thomas’ miss cost us dearly. You simply can’t miss chances given to you on a plate.
As much as I like Thomas, he should have about double the amount of goals he currently has. If he improves his end product, he’ll be able to be a v good Championship player. He’s 19-20 so ought to develop that killer instinct over time.
Liquid Gold
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But we've spent money on trying to improve the forwards, admittedly it hasn't worked as hoped but we've at least attempted it. Yes they should have scored more goals and that could put us higher in the table but Burge has made huge errors alone that would have put us in the playoffs with dropped points. This doesn't take into consideration the times he puts us on the back foot with his awful distribution the panic he causes the defence with balls into the box. There is a reason we concede so many from set pieces and while I'm not blaming Burge entirely you have to put a fair portion of those goals down to his inability to deal with crosses. How much better a unit were we with an experienced keeper who knew when to come and claim things? Like it or not a strikers usually get several chances a game to put the ball away so misses are afforded more leniency than a keeper giving away goals. Pushing the Luton header into the net, passing to the Burton striker and palming a ball out to an unmarked Burton striker in the 6 yard box. They didn't score the third but they could easily have done. That's three huge mistakes in three games since he came back in, akin to missing an open goal from a dead ball with no pressure as a striker. If any of out forwards did that they'd be lambasted. How many errors have you seen from away keepers at the Ricoh this season?
RoboCCFC90
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It is no coincidence that during Stockdale being with the Club on loan we looked more solid defensively and did not concede.
In comparison to Burge, Stockdale's distribution, his positioning to take crosses and his organisational skills were far superior to Burge.
Burge is a very good shot-stopper, unfortunately he has not significantly improved in other aspects of his game to be considered for a move above this level.
AStonesThrow
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What's frustrating is that between Thomas and Enobakhare, we potentially have two top class future players, albeit with a focus on improvement in terms of decision making and finishing. I could quite easily see both of these go on to Jordan Hendersonesque paths, with their loans being the start of something good for them. Shame they haven't reached that full potential here
Mucca Mad Boys
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I'm not saying he hasn't made mistakes because he has, he's also had some really good games like v Peterborough and Sunderland at home. I'm not going to make a list, but it's pretty self-evident that Robins will replace him if there's a better goalkeeper out there that's within our budget. His contract runs out in the summer so we'll see what happens in regards to that position.
Frankly, scapegoating Burge is just wrong because our problem is that we miss far too many chances and that has cost us far more points than defending and goalkeeping errors combined. I have no loyalty to Burge, and on Friday (he was terrible) he really was as bad as his worst critics suggest, but, I don't think he's been that bad this season, overall.
Mucca Mad Boys
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Enobakhare is out of contract in the summer so I do hope we can sign him. As for Thomas, I suspect he'll go out on loan somewhere and I'd have him again because he's a very good player, but his final product is lacking and something he needs to improve if he is to carve out a good career above League 1, which I back him to do one day.
Liquid Gold
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The most frustrating thing is he improved towards the end of last season and kept that form running at the begging of this. Look back on threads and you'll see I was supportive of him and desperate the club put a contract in front of him. Unfortunately he's deteriorated massively back to the form that meant RCC kept him out and when he came back in got us relegated.
We're supposed to be looking towards the Championship. He's not good enough for that and moving on would be best for all parties.
I'm not scapegoating him, if our strikers were better we'd be in the playoffs yes. Their play can be different based on the tactics we're playing, the productivity of our midfielders and Robins has a record of improving players in that position. Some of the misses have been frustrating but I can see potential. Running out of your goal like a headless chicken and passing simple balls to the opposition is something that won't be trained out of Burge though, by this age he's the keeper he's always going to be.
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Mucca Mad Boys
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I wouldn't necessarily disagree with you, Burge has to work on facets of his game regardless of whether or not he chooses to stay. I back Robins to recruit a good GK if Burge chooses to leave (or if he fancies letting Burge go) but it could be a possibility no one was available at the time who was a better option in that position that fit our budget.
Lets also cut Robins some slack too, we've had to pretty much gut the team two seasons in a row to deal with the transition of promotion/relegation. Not to mention we lost our top scorer in McNulty. Therefore, I think a new GK was probably close to the bottom of the agenda and that on the whole, I'm happy with our recruitment and only time will tell if he's done a good job of it.
Liquid Gold
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Robins has done well to have us where we are from the mess we were in no doubt. It has to be the summer he sorts out the keeper situation though. I don't think we'll progress without it and I'm hoping the contrast between Burge's last few games and Stockdale's has made that clear to him.
Gazolba
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Looking at the team as a whole, anyone can see that Burge is a glaring weakness and has been for a couple of seasons.
Since the goal-keeper (IMHO) is the most important person in the team, we should strengthen that position.
The fact that we brought in Stockdale when Burge was injured means Addai is not ready to fill Burge's position (i.e he's worse than Burge).
I also question the reliance on Addai as our backup GK, when he clearly isn't considered ready to replace Burge.
Since the goal-keeper (IMHO) is the most important person in the team, we should strengthen that position.
The fact that we brought in Stockdale when Burge was injured means Addai is not ready to fill Burge's position (i.e he's worse than Burge).
I also question the reliance on Addai as our backup GK, when he clearly isn't considered ready to replace Burge.
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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Isn't it?
Pickford is no stranger to a monumental fuck-up (fluffed crosses, letting in easy shots, misplaced clearances) and will have half a dozen absolute stinkers a season. But he can make some superb saves and look good. He's a PL version of Burge, and there are times not that long ago when he wouldn't be anywhere near the England squad, let alone first choice. At best he's average, personally I think he's dodgy.
De Gea made loads of mistakes when he turned up at Man U - pushing shots straight back out into the centre of the goal for tap-ins, fluffed crosses, absolutely atrocious on corners (where his strategy seemed to be to throw his arms in the arm and claim he'd been obstructed). Why teams suddenly stopped putting him under pressure at corners I don't know - it's not a problem he ever seemed to solve and I still think would reap dividends if the opposition tried it.
The Liverpool GK had given at least three goals away this season by fucking around with it at his feet and Karius and Mignolet last season were both awful. Cech did the same and his replacement has let in a couple of howlers this season. Bravo at Man City looked like someone from the crowd had won a competition to be keeper when he was first choice - mistakes every other game.
As I've said elsewhere I think the time has come for us to go and spend some decent wages on a better keeper next season, but Burge is not alone in being guilty of regular errors - there are many far better paid and much higher profile keepers that are prone to regular mistakes. You just don't tend to notice it or care as much when it isn't your team.
covcity4life
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A difference between good keepers rhat make ofd bad mistakes and average keepers that make loads of bad mistakes ffs
How about Lee Burge though? We endured far worse than him having to watch him
Colin Steins Smile
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I have reservations regarding Lee's performances, but if we don't stop the negative comments his performances will only get worse......and I know some of you will state that would be impossible!
However, we are SUPPORTERS ......can we stick to the remit? Whilst he's wearing a CCFC player I'll support him.
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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Which is why I pointed out they aren't/weren't the odd mistake - there is/was a constant catalogue of errors (Pickford especially).
Now you may ague they play in a bigger league that gets more coverage and therefore shows more of their errors, but I think all this does is even out the fact that Burge's are more noticeable to us because he's playing for our team.
Do you think opposition fans will have seen our highlights etc and think Burge makes constant mistakes? No, because they will only see those few that lead to goals etc on highlights which mixed in with the occasional footage of a great save makes it look like we're overreacting. They're completely unaware of those that haven't cost us a goal as well as the poor kicking and distribution, not dominating his area, poor communication etc. Just as we on the whole are unaware of how good or bad other teams keepers are - we don't see enough of their overall performances.
covcity4life
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We see opposition keepers every week though. Yes only twice a seaaon but we jbow our keeper is scared to catch a ball for crying out loud. He is poor. Respect he has improved but sinply not enough for league 1
Warwickhunt
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Well he is all we got until the end of the season so let’s support him best we can!
Cov kid 55
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Agree with this post, as a number of posters have. Very few are saying that Lee Burge is the finished article, most recognise that he has weaknesses, lack of control of his penalty area, some rash decision making, poor kicking, and, crucially, a lack of confidence (it would appear) that may well impact on the rest of the defence. Atvthe same time, a number of posters also dislike the abuse he gets at matches, and on this forum, abuse that can’t do his confidence any good. We have Lee Burge in goal until the end of the season, what good purpose does jeering him serve?
covcity4life
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Is LOB still injured? Despite his flaws he always seemed better than burge to me
Cov kid 55
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I do think that if O’Brien was fit, giving Burge a rest tomorrow night might not be a bad idea. There may well be a pretty toxic approach to Burge tomorrow, which won’t help him or the team.
shepardo01
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Addai in goal for U23s.
Was at this game and even these goals don't highlight how horrific he was.
Although this was a couple of yrs ago, I would not want him near our goal in a first team game.
Was at this game and even these goals don't highlight how horrific he was.
Although this was a couple of yrs ago, I would not want him near our goal in a first team game.
WiganSkyBlue
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Anyone remember Eric McManus?
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Captain Dart
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Oh god yes. :banghead:
Terry Gibson's perm
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I played in the same side as his son hand a very good left foot nearly as good as mine
Pickford has the most errors leading directly to a goal (4) of any keeper in the Premier league this season.
I reckon Burge has 3 this season.
Before anyone says, no I'm not for one second saying that Burge is better than Pickford. I'm just saying that keepers make mistakes at every level. Quite why some people think Burge is alone in that I'll never know
I reckon Burge has 3 this season.
Before anyone says, no I'm not for one second saying that Burge is better than Pickford. I'm just saying that keepers make mistakes at every level. Quite why some people think Burge is alone in that I'll never know
Joy Division
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Thought Lee Burge had a good game last night.
ccfc_ukr
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agreed! Looked like he was playing with a point to prove. if he can keep that type of performance up till end of the season, like he did last year, it would be great