Grendel
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Of course it isn’t
The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (21 Viewers)
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Of course it isn’t
Mucca Mad Boys
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That wasn’t my point at all?
Mucca Mad Boys
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We have a minority government so the Tories need to keep the bloc of Brexiteer MPs they have.
Again, a soft Brexit isn’t even on the table and even if it was, I’d say I agree with the argument that it isn’t exactly what the people who voted Leave had in mind. To me, a soft Brexit is worse than remaining, but I could live with it.
Sick Boy
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Based on what?
Grendel
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Er most tories in parliament are pro Europe? It’s only a small proportion that’s ever been opposed
Sick Boy
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Ahh thought you were on about voters
tisza
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What data are you using for that? Thought it was about 175 that campaigned for remain.
What have I said on the subject? Apart from possible problems for UK airlines flying inside the EU as in my link. I haven’t mentioned private driving licenses or visas being a problem as I don’t think they are, at least for this year.
Otis
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The plot thickens. Where do we go from here?
Speaker rules out Brexit vote on same motion
So May cannot try again in parliament with the same deal.
Speaker rules out Brexit vote on same motion
So May cannot try again in parliament with the same deal.
Captain Dart
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PM’s spokesman: “The Speaker did not forewarn us of the content of his statement or the fact that he was making one.”
fernandopartridge
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May trying the same sort of things the EU are accused of doing strangely enough
D
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Much like Bill Cash eh...?
Sky Blue Pete
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Makes sense
Astute
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You mean they are both doing the same thing?
All these cosy chats between them. May says she has a new deal. Then the EU says nothing has changed. Time has about run out. EU offers a long extension of between 2 and 4 years. We accept it. And during this long extension we end up remaining in the EU in everything but name. Or we end up remaining.
Leaving and having no ties with the EU isn't going to happen now.
D
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That was never going to happen.
tommydazzle
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Think it goes to penalties?
SIR ERNIE
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good news
Bollocks.
There was a motion to stop a third attempt. It was withdrawn because it was the job of the speaker to rule. The speaker said he would rule on it. It is a 400 year convention. He has made a preliminary ruling with 2 days warning before the proposed vote. Every one knew that as it was said in parliament.
Yes indeed. May goes to EU to ask for extension to avoid no deal.
EU says yes as long as it includes people’s vote.
Labour says it will accept May‘s deal with amendment that includes it will be put to a vote at the people‘s vote.
May’s deal is accepted with the amendment and with the help of labour votes.
May goes back to the people with the questions: 1. remain or leave and then 2. if we leave, do we leave via the only deal on the table ( May‘s deal ), or no deal? Votes only count when both questions answered.
I can’t see anything more democratic than that.
The ERG and their fans are frightened of a people’s vote, which acknowledges that the will of the people is against Brexit. The mood has changed. The „we won, get over it“, is now „ for god‘s sake don’t let the people have a vote“.
That’s England screwed then. I don’t know about Scotland and Northern Ireland though.
Funnily enough the speaker is following a 400 year tradition of a sovereign parliament. Not surprised at all at the rage of poorly educated/ ill informed leavers. I thought one of the main reasons for leaving , apart from immigration ( dislike of foreigners), was sovereignty. Bercow is applying the rules of a sovereign parliament.
Maybe it was just dislike of foreigners after all?
May‘s deal with an amendment that it has to be ratified by the people, against a remain option and a no deal option.
dutchman
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It's a dislike of foreigners running a country they neither live nor work in.
Astute
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Read this thread again and you will see that it wasn't the thought on what would happen by many. Not even recently.
Astute
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There is a dislike throughout Europe on how they rule all the countries in the EU. Even the deniers know this is the case. That is why they all call for reform. But there won't be reform as they hold all the power and only promote others to the top jobs that have the same ideals.
If the UK leaves there are many who say reforms will be easier for the EU to get through. You keep on about people wanting reforms as if everyone wants the same reforms and an evil body is stopping the reforms. People want different reforms. To get reforms passed you need a majority, or in some cases, a unanimous decision because of veto rights. It is called democracy. Without the UK‘s veto rights, it may be easier to introduce things like a fiscal union, or an European army, should they be wanted by the rest of the EU.
Apropos top jobs: Any comments on May‘s appointment of her loyal lieutenant as head of the UK civil service? Thought not.
We are part of the decision making process of EU law. Other EU countries could use that argument about the UK being involved. It is called pooling sovereignty. The EU doesn’t rule the UK, there is a sovereign parliament. There are foreigners at the UN, other foreigners have signed up with us to the Geneva convention, others will defend us if we are attacked via NATO and we have less influence in the foreigner dominated WTO than in the EU. Funny that the only foreigners you don’t like being involved with are our biggest trading partner and our closest allies in the fight against international crime.
Leavers when asked cited immigration and sovereignty as the two main reasons for voting leave. Wanting less foreigners suggests you don’t like having too many foreigners around. Seeing as leavers also blame foreigners for everything from crime to potholes, lack of affordable housing etc, I get the impression that a dislike of foreigners was a strong motivation for leave voters.
tisza
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Sky reported it 30 minutes before statement made in the House
shmmeee
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I’m not a fan of Russian interference either, but it looks like the referendum result will stand
SkyBlueDom26
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We've already had a peoples vote, no thanks
shmmeee
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Doesn’t that also apply to the previous referendum that kept us in Europe?
Can we not have one that hasn’t been corrupted by foreign powers and rich dickheads?
Not on no deal or May’s deal, or on what we now know about Brexit.