The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (2 Viewers)

[martcov]

Here is a bit of humour:

Nigel Farage's Brexit Betrayal March hires 200 Polish walkers after finding Brits are not willing to do the job

@Astute: it is a joke.

 

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[SkyBlueDom26]

He’s a conservative.

But, tbf, it was his job to make a ruling based on convention. He did and you didn’t like it. Doesn’t automatically make him a twat though.

He's about as remain as you could get, bias

 

[martcov]

He's about as remain as you could get, bias

= 400 Year old convention is bias

 

[tisza]

That was a different question.

That's the point. 2 different yougov polls with is if the end result ishaving a referendum and remaining in eu a good option 37%.others are different types of leave options.
Nearly all leave options have a minority approval rating when asked would that option respect the referendum result.
My point still stands the People's Vote was behind the poll you refer to. Other polls commissioned by opposing factions will reach the conclusions they want. Doesn't make either side right.

 

[skybluetony176]

So how about answering the question. How can you blame the leavers or the DUP when about 80% of MP's including the DUP are remainers?

DUP campaigned for leave not remain

DUP confirms it will campaign for Brexit in Leave/Remain referendum - BelfastTelegraph.co.uk

There funding to campaign is also coming into question Revealed: the dirty secrets of the DUP’s ‘dark money’ Brexit donor

 

[skybluetony176]

He’s a conservative.

But, tbf, it was his job to make a ruling based on convention. He did and you didn’t like it. Doesn’t automatically make him a twat though.

Although to be fair he is a twat

 

[Astute]

He’s a conservative.

But, tbf, it was his job to make a ruling based on convention. He did and you didn’t like it. Doesn’t automatically make him a twat though.

Yet you ignore that he threw convention in the bin when he took over the role.

 

[Astute]

DUP campaigned for brexit not remain

DUP confirms it will campaign for Brexit in Leave/Remain referendum - BelfastTelegraph.co.uk

There funding to campaign is also coming into question Revealed: the dirty secrets of the DUP’s ‘dark money’ Brexit donor

And?

They want a deal. Why won't anyone deny it? A deal will keep us tied to the EU. It will keep them tied to the EU.

 

[skybluetony176]

And?

They want a deal. Why won't anyone deny it? A deal will keep us tied to the EU. It will keep them tied to the EU.

And unlike you claimed “How can you blame the leavers or the DUP when about 80% of MP's including the DUP are remainers?”

Just correcting your assumptions, you’re welcome by the way.

 

[Astute]

Here is a bit of humour:

Nigel Farage's Brexit Betrayal March hires 200 Polish walkers after finding Brits are not willing to do the job

@Astute: it is a joke.

Yes it is.

And having parliament in such a mess gives him a voice still.

Then you have those who have a go at the May deal and then have a go at those who stop the May deal going through. This is also a joke.

 

[martcov]

And?

They want a deal. Why won't anyone deny it? A deal will keep us tied to the EU. It will keep them tied to the EU.

But, out of the EU.

 

[tisza]

Bercow is an unelected preening self publicist

Problem with Bercow (for those that want to go on about one convention) is that he has broken many other conventions.
He has politicised the role of the speaker which will be a fundamental change in the role of the Speaker going forward.
As speaker should not have declared his remain vote.
I will claim a bias here. I was at university with him and he was an obnoxious prat. As right wing as you can get (neo nazi past well documented) and an attention seeker. Loved to needle people for the sake of it. Anyone who knows university politics will tell Essex was not the place for Tory politics!!
Entered Parliament on the right wing of the Conservative party and noted eurosceptic. His swing to the left following his marriage sums up his convenience politics.

 

[martcov]

Yes it is.

And having parliament in such a mess gives him a voice still.

Then you have those who have a go at the May deal and then have a go at those who stop the May deal going through. This is also a joke.

?

I don’t know what you are on about.

I’ll throw in another Brexit liar as you hate liars. Apparently.

Dan Hannan’s problem with the truth - InFacts

 

[Deleted member 5849]

But, tbf, it was his job to make a ruling based on convention. He did and you didn’t like it. Doesn’t automatically make him a twat though.

You can tell he's doing his job objectively when the likes of Bill Cash praise his decision, along with some who want us to stay.... while others of both sides criticise it.

 

[Astute]

And unlike you claimed “How can you blame the leavers or the DUP when about 80% of MP's including the DUP are remainers?”

Just correcting your assumptions, you’re welcome by the way.

Wanting a deal with the EU isn't being against the EU like some on here are making out. Wanting a deal is wanting to remain tied to the EU.

When it all started they wanted out with no ties. When they found out what was on offer from the EU they changed their tune. They are now on a loser whatever happens.

As I also said there are many people who also wanted out of the EU but now want to keep ties so everything stays as it is.

This isn't leaving the EU other than in name.

 

[Astute]

?

I don’t know what you are on about.

I’ll throw in another Brexit liar as you hate liars. Apparently.

Dan Hannan’s problem with the truth - InFacts

Are we going to be all day picking out different clueless or biased people?

I don't mind as long as it is those from both sides of the debate. But knowing your past on this thread.........

 

[martcov]

Problem with Bercow (for those that want to go on about one convention) is that he has broken many other conventions.
He has politicised the role of the speaker which will be a fundamental change in the role of the Speaker going forward.
As speaker should not have declared his remain vote.
I will claim a bias here. I was at university with him and he was an obnoxious prat. As right wing as you can get (neo nazi past well documented) and an attention seeker. Loved to needle people for the sake of it. Anyone who knows university politics will tell Essex was not the place for Tory politics!!
Entered Parliament on the right wing of the Conservative party and noted eurosceptic. His swing to the left following his marriage sums up his convenience politics.

I would not call him left by any means. He is calling the government in on this very important discussion. Presenting the same proposal time and time again is wasting parliament‘s time and probably a deliberate stalling tactic to force May’s deal through. It is proper that that is ruled upon and that the government must put in new ideas. The rest is not relevant to that, although I bet he is a dick if you know him.

 

[skybluetony176]

Wanting a deal with the EU isn't being against the EU like some on here are making out. Wanting a deal is wanting to remain tied to the EU.

When it all started they wanted out with no ties. When they found out what was on offer from the EU they changed their tune. They are now on a loser whatever happens.

As I also said there are many people who also wanted out of the EU but now want to keep ties so everything stays as it is.

This isn't leaving the EU other than in name.

You claimed that they’re remainers, they’re not. They campaigned for leave. I corrected you. You’re welcome.

 

[martcov]

Wanting a deal with the EU isn't being against the EU like some on here are making out. Wanting a deal is wanting to remain tied to the EU.

When it all started they wanted out with no ties. When they found out what was on offer from the EU they changed their tune. They are now on a loser whatever happens.

As I also said there are many people who also wanted out of the EU but now want to keep ties so everything stays as it is.

This isn't leaving the EU other than in name.

There are many quotes about remaining in the SM and CU from leavers. Many wanted back to the EEC and out of political union. Now it is down to only 2 leave choices: May’s deal or no deal. So many have had to change their stance.

 

[martcov]

Are we going to be all day picking out different clueless or biased people?

I don't mind as long as it is those from both sides of the debate. But knowing your past on this thread.........

Remainers ard not in the same league as leavers when it comes to telling blatant lies.

And before you equate lies to predictions, just look at the predictions for our last game. Are all those who got the result wrong based on current form liars and cheats? Of course not, they got their predictions wrong. This is different to just making facts up like Dan Hannan and an array of lying leavers.

 

[skybluetony176]

There are many quotes about remaining in the SM and CU from leavers. Many wanted back to the EEC and out of political union. Now it is down to only 2 leave choices: May’s deal or no deal. So many have had to change their stance.

Ferage would originally have loved it if we were like Norway. I’m sure we’ve all seen the videos. UKIP spokespeople were for years saying “let’s be clear, no one is talking about leaving the single market “. Again, video available.

 

[martcov]

You claimed that they’re remainers, they’re not. They campaigned for leave. I corrected you. You’re welcome.

But, but, Astute is honest and neutral...

 

[tisza]

I would not call him left by any means. He is calling the government in on this very important discussion. Presenting the same proposal time and time again is wasting parliament‘s time and probably a deliberate stalling tactic to force May’s deal through. It is proper that that is ruled upon and that the government must put in new ideas. The rest is not relevant to that, although I bet he is a dick if you know him.

He came very close to crossing to Labour when he sat as an MP. He received little or no Tory support in several of the Speaker elections whilst being mainly supported by Labour.
As for your last sentence you just make yourself look foolish when you move away from your better points of view and make it personal.

 

[martcov]

He came very close to crossing to Labour when he sat as an MP. He received little or no Tory support in several of the Speaker elections whilst being mainly supported by Labour.
As for your last sentence you just make yourself look foolish when you move away from your better points of view and make it personal.

I just think he looks like a bit of a self important person and there have been reports of him yelling and shouting at his staff. I don’t know him, but based on the little I have seen he could be a dick, but I don’t know for sure.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

He came very close to crossing to Labour when he sat as an MP. He received little or no Tory support in several of the Speaker elections whilst being mainly supported by Labour.
As for your last sentence you just make yourself look foolish when you move away from your better points of view and make it personal.

tbf, he's agreeing with your statement isn't he? As in 'I agree he's probably an arse on a personal level'.

 

[Astute]

You claimed that they’re remainers, they’re not. They campaigned for leave. I corrected you. You’re welcome.

They campaigned for leave. Yes. As I stated. Yes.

As I also said look past the headlines. They want leave with a deal.

So let's see if you know what you are talking about.

What is the so called May deal all about?

They want to agree to the May deal. But they don't want a hard border. They want to keep things as they are. This includes being tied to the EU with a deal. This isn't the Brexit they voted for.

Or is it too much for you to comprehend or is it you would love to prove me wrong for once?

 

[Astute]

There are many quotes about remaining in the SM and CU from leavers. Many wanted back to the EEC and out of political union. Now it is down to only 2 leave choices: May’s deal or no deal. So many have had to change their stance.

And those who want to renegotiate don't count?

 

[Astute]

Remainers ard not in the same league as leavers when it comes to telling blatant lies.

And before you equate lies to predictions, just look at the predictions for our last game. Are all those who got the result wrong based on current form liars and cheats? Of course not, they got their predictions wrong. This is different to just making facts up like Dan Hannan and an array of lying leavers.

Have it your way. Had enough of your petty games. Only leavers are twats. Only leave lies were real lies.

Happy now?

 

[Astute]

But, but, Astute is honest and neutral...

Not my fault that you and a couple others want to twist what I have said by missing out most of it and just taking a few words from it.

Look back. The reason the May deal hasn't gone through was supposed to be because of brexiteers and the 10 votes from the DUP. They are less than 2% of the vote and want to have a deal. They are not full Brexit like they voted for. They don't want hard borders like has been said. They want to be tied to the EU. They don't want Corbyn to become PM because of his links to the IRA.

I suppose you would congratulate anyone else who has changed their minds other than the DUP.

 

[tisza]

I just think he looks like a bit of a self important person and there have been reports of him yelling and shouting at his staff. I don’t know him, but based on the little I have seen he could be a dick, but I don’t know for sure.

ok your last sentence (like opinion polls ) reads slightly different than intended.
So in the spirit of the debate I will" withdraw that statement" (my last bit) Mr Speaker

 

[tisza]

Not my fault that you and a couple others want to twist what I have said by missing out most of it and just taking a few words from it.

Look back. The reason the May deal hasn't gone through was supposed to be because of brexiteers and the 10 votes from the DUP. They are less than 2% of the vote and want to have a deal. They are not full Brexit like they voted for. They don't want hard borders like has been said. They want to be tied to the EU. They don't want Corbyn to become PM because of his links to the IRA.

I suppose you would congratulate anyone else who has changed their minds other than the DUP.

Few are full Brexit like they think they voted before. Few wanted the terms that are currently on offer but that's all that is on offer.
This common thread amongst all proposing any leave deal (bar a Hard Brexit) is belief that they can still cherry pick whilst EU have mde it abundantly clear they can't.
Not just about hard borders they just don't like the possibility of a back stop that could leave them tied to EU more than the rest of UK. They do not like anything that makes them seem different to rest of UK due to their hardline Unionist position.They would take a hard border over anything that represents a barrier between them and rest of UK.

 

[martcov]

Not my fault that you and a couple others want to twist what I have said by missing out most of it and just taking a few words from it.

Look back. The reason the May deal hasn't gone through was supposed to be because of brexiteers and the 10 votes from the DUP. They are less than 2% of the vote and want to have a deal. They are not full Brexit like they voted for. They don't want hard borders like has been said. They want to be tied to the EU. They don't want Corbyn to become PM because of his links to the IRA.

I suppose you would congratulate anyone else who has changed their minds other than the DUP.

I have never said that it is just the DUP holding everything back. Two others have explained the DUP position to you already, so I won’t bother.

 

[martcov]

And those who want to renegotiate don't count?

The only way of renegotiating would be to drop May‘s red lines and go for Corbyn‘s Version of Brexit. That would probably take a GE with Corbyn and others winning it.

 

[fernandopartridge]

Problem with Bercow (for those that want to go on about one convention) is that he has broken many other conventions.
He has politicised the role of the speaker which will be a fundamental change in the role of the Speaker going forward.
As speaker should not have declared his remain vote.
I will claim a bias here. I was at university with him and he was an obnoxious prat. As right wing as you can get (neo nazi past well documented) and an attention seeker. Loved to needle people for the sake of it. Anyone who knows university politics will tell Essex was not the place for Tory politics!!
Entered Parliament on the right wing of the Conservative party and noted eurosceptic. His swing to the left following his marriage sums up his convenience politics.

Yes, I do cringe when I see people on the remain campaign declaring their admiration for him (and people like Anna Soubry).

 

[Grendel]

He’s a conservative.

But, tbf, it was his job to make a ruling based on convention. He did and you didn’t like it. Doesn’t automatically make him a twat though.

He's not a Conservative. He is unelected and its not his job to make such a ruling. He isn't the sharpest tool in the box either so he would definatley have been "advised" on this course of action. Its funny how you detest snout in the trough creeps unless they happen to doing your bidding