The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (50 Viewers)

[Astute]

They haven’t then. Thanks for the confirmation.

Grow up and read it.

 

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[Astute]

0% chance of us not leaving, next week is massive

Tell that to the MP's who don't want us to leave especially without a deal.

It is nowhere near as simple as you make it out to be. We don't want to leave without a deal. The EU doesn't want us to leave without a deal. They are still trying their best to keep us in the EU.

 

[tisza]

Brexit: 90% say handling of negotiations is 'national humiliation' - Sky Data poll

something 90% on here can agree with regardless of standpoint. surprised the Govt gets away with as little as 34% of the outright blame

 

[tisza]

Trump still wading in. if he had his way we'd need still Polish builders to build a wall across the South coast anyway

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

May Statement at 8

Hopefully she resigns

 

[tisza]

May Statement at 8

Hopefully she resigns

nope. blackmailing her deal through.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Remaining getting more likely. Looks like the plan is coming together.

No deal off the table.
No deal not allowed this month.
No extension until June.
No long term extension.

And what do you think the EU will say?

Leave without a deal or remain.

They can now as no deal this month is off the table.

You called it if so. I just think it’s crazy to vote for something that’s impossible and then moan about being let down

 

[Grendel]

You called it if so. I just think it’s crazy to vote for something that’s impossible and then moan about being let down

No deal is very much not off the table

 

[skybluetony176]

Grow up and read it.

If you’re talking about this one What is DUP's Brexit talks hope? then yes, I did read it. It says and I quote “It is pro-union (UK, not Europe), pro-Brexit and socially conservative.”

Did you read it?

 

[Deleted member 5849]

nope. blackmailing her deal through.

Big game of poker, innit

 

[skybluetony176]

Brexit: 90% say handling of negotiations is 'national humiliation' - Sky Data poll

something 90% on here can agree with regardless of standpoint. surprised the Govt gets away with as little as 34% of the outright blame

Not sure. About 50% on here thinks it’s the EU’s fault

 

[fernandopartridge]

Remaining getting more likely. Looks like the plan is coming together.

No deal off the table.
No deal not allowed this month.
No extension until June.
No long term extension.

And what do you think the EU will say?

Leave without a deal or remain.

They can now as no deal this month is off the table.

No deal isn't off the table though technically

 

[Deleted member 5849]

No deal is very much not off the table

Agreed but, it's being used as the bargaining chip in a way few expected (or hoped).

No deal isn't off the table though technically

The big question is how it goes if it ends up no deal or revoke Article 50.

Anyway, May's tactics are rather SISU-esque!

 

[Astute]

No deal isn't off the table though technically

Correct. It legally isn't off the table. But the referendum wasn't legally binding either.

 

[Astute]

You called it if so. I just think it’s crazy to vote for something that’s impossible and then moan about being let down

Mays so called deal wasn't impossible. But as I have said countless times before remainers were not happy as it meant leaving still and leavers were not happy as it meant ties continuing with the EU.

 

[Astute]

Big game of poker, innit

Big game of poker where nobody has the winning hand.

 

[Astute]

Anyway, May's tactics are rather SISU-esque!

As long as we don't end up paying the EU's legal bill

 

[Captain Dart]

From Independant's Chief Political commentator John Rentoul

 

[Astute]

If you’re talking about this one What is DUP's Brexit talks hope? then yes, I did read it. It says and I quote “It is pro-union (UK, not Europe), pro-Brexit and socially conservative.”

Did you read it?

And as usual you pick out just a few words. How about the paragraph just underneath the bit you put up?

But ultimately, what does the party want from Brexit? First of all, the DUP has said it still wants the UK to leave the EU with a deal - but it must be one that treats Northern Ireland no differently from the rest of the UK.

 

[Sick Boy]

Correct. It legally isn't off the table. But the referendum wasn't legally binding either.

There will only be a short delay if the EU agrees to it, and that means parliament agreeing to May’s deal.

Personally I expect it to now pass.

 

[Astute]

There will only be a short delay if the EU agrees to it, and that means parliament agreeing to May’s deal.

Personally I expect it to now pass.

So how has it changed enough for Bercow to allow there to be another vote on the May deal?

For the last couple of days he was supposed to have called it correctly. If he has called it correctly he won't allow another vote on the May/EU deal. All that has changed is the circumstances. And his statement was the actual wording and content had to change. And change considerably.

 

[Astute]

The latest is that May is going to propose vote 3 of her deal as leave with her deal or leave without a deal. And she is supposed to be making a statement to the public at 20:15.

Still don't think it will happen.

 

[skybluetony176]

And as usual you pick out just a few words. How about the paragraph just underneath the bit you put up?

But ultimately, what does the party want from Brexit? First of all, the DUP has said it still wants the UK to leave the EU with a deal - but it must be one that treats Northern Ireland no differently from the rest of the UK.

Yes. I read that part too but as it again confirms that the DUP is still a brexit Party I didn’t want to post more than I already did and embarrass you further.

 

[westcountry_skyblue]

Told you all last night to get your money on no deal @ 7/2 it will happen!!!2/1 now all the money on betting sites is for no deal.
They will batter it down to odds on after the weekend so get on now!!!

 

[martcov]

So how has it changed enough for Bercow to allow there to be another vote on the May deal?

For the last couple of days he was supposed to have called it correctly. If he has called it correctly he won't allow another vote on the May/EU deal. All that has changed is the circumstances. And his statement was the actual wording and content had to change. And change considerably.

Or.....she can show that it has a good chance of being passed.

 

[tisza]

so corbyn walks out of multi-party talks because 2 independent MPs there?

 

[Deleted member 5849]

so corbyn walks out of multi-party talks because 2 independent MPs there?

He's lost my vote if so.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

All of this astonishing.

 

[Ian1779]

All of this astonishing.

So is it that surprising he left when the ‘meeting’ was just her regurgitating the same stuff as before.

Plus Chuka represents a private company ATM.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

So is it that surprising he left when the ‘meeting’ was just her regurgitating the same stuff as before.

Plus Chuka represents a private company ATM.

Well he never gave himself a chance to show a united front against May's deal, and a united front for co-operation and discussion, in opposition to dogmatism.

Instead, he shows himself as petty and small-minded.

When we're crying out for an alternative to a one-eyed PM who shows no flexibility whatsoever, he throws away the opportunity to show himself as a credible alternative, able to work to find a consensus.

 

[Grendel]

Well he never gave himself a chance to show a united front against May's deal, and a united front for co-operation and discussion, in opposition to dogmatism.

Instead, he shows himself as petty and small-minded.

When we're crying out for an alternative to a one-eyed PM who shows no flexibility whatsoever, he throws away the opportunity to show himself as a credible alternative, able to work to find a consensus.

His whole principal is hard brexit and he and McDonnell are hoping it happens and then enter government with a country not allied to a federal state

 

[Ian1779]

Well he never gave himself a chance to show a united front against May's deal, and a united front for co-operation and discussion, in opposition to dogmatism.

Instead, he shows himself as petty and small-minded.

When we're crying out for an alternative to a one-eyed PM who shows no flexibility whatsoever, he throws away the opportunity to show himself as a credible alternative, able to work to find a consensus.

TBF - I don’t think him walking out was the wisest idea, and I don’t disagree how it looks.

There is no way he would ever be given the opportunity through that meeting to ‘show’ himself as an alternative. May wouldn’t allow it, the press wouldn’t allow it. And you know this is true.

 

[tisza]

So is it that surprising he left when the ‘meeting’ was just her regurgitating the same stuff as before.

Plus Chuka represents a private company ATM.

Because even if it's only one chance you have to take it.
Others stayed.
No different from May - it's only my way that counts. He's still saying back my deal and I'll take you out or I'll back a referendum that may keep you in.
She's still saying it's her deal and nothing else.

 

[Ian1779]

Because even if it's only one chance you have to take it.
Others stayed.
No different from May - it's only my way that counts. He's still saying back my deal and I'll take you out or I'll back a referendum that may keep you in.
She's still saying it's her deal and nothing else.

Again - I would have advised he stayed.

But if she won’t budge... there is no parliamentary consensus for any outcome at all. Her deal, no deal, no Brexit... not one could get through parliament at the moment.

The choice may end up out of our hands.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

there is no parliamentary consensus for any outcome at all.

And never will be if people don't talk to each other.

Take May out the equation, the rest need to come up with an alternative, and fast. Otherwise we sleepwalk into May's deal.

Sometimes, you have to choose who's your real enemy, which battles do you *need* to fight. If Corbyn's feels at this moment in time he needs to fight Umunna, then that's very, very worrying for the future, isn't it.