The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (64 Viewers)

[Sick Boy]

I'm not sure what the final outcome will be, but I know the EU have had to play a very hard line, they can't afford to show any weakness to the UK because that would undermine the whole project. I do know that (even though they are trying to hide it well) that the EU is considered to be on the brink of recession by leading financial experts with Germany considered to go very soon. A no deal brexit would be disastrous for them so I think some last minute concessions will be made to force through an agreement.

It would also be disastrous for Britain and the EU knows this too.

 

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[fernandopartridge]

1970’s went really well

What's quite funny at the minute is the Tory boasts about low unemployment, lowest level since erm 1975. Sometimes the pictures painted of history don't always align to other things you say.

 

[skybluetony176]

Or maybe pandering to the noisy minority remain vote camp

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Do you understand what the red lines are? They’re the voice of leave and more specifically the ERG. I can only assume that was a joke.

 

[fernandopartridge]

I'm not sure what the final outcome will be, but I know the EU have had to play a very hard line, they can't afford to show any weakness to the UK because that would undermine the whole project. I do know that (even though they are trying to hide it well) that the EU is considered to be on the brink of recession by leading financial experts with Germany considered to go very soon. A no deal brexit would be disastrous for them so I think some last minute concessions will be made to force through an agreement.

I would be surprised, maybe some cosmetic concessions but nothing fundamental. Deal or not, an EU recession is not help to the UK, particularly Germany as it is a massive export market for us.

 

[skybluetony176]

They have foind it easy enough to change things & allow an extension when the chips are down...so I feel sure it can actually be easily undone

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They haven’t allowed anything yet. Currently being debated amongst the 27 in Brussels as we speak and the debate was expected to end 2 hours ago.

 

[dancers lance]

It would also be disastrous for Britain and the EU knows this too.

I'm not saying it wouldn't SB, I'm sick of the whole thing. I'm embarrassed by our entire political establishment, me, you and crazy Dave from down the pub could have sorted this in a far more efficient manner than these bunch of halfwits.

 

[skybluetony176]

They haven’t allowed anything yet. Currently being debated amongst the 27 in Brussels as we speak and the debate was expected to end 2 hours ago.

Just finished. Extension to the 12th of (edit) April.

 

[SkyblueBazza]

Do you understand what the red lines are? They’re the voice of leave and more specifically the ERG. I can only assume that was a joke.

Yes I understand them...you clearly have issues with them - what are they?

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[SkyblueBazza]

They haven’t allowed anything yet. Currently being debated amongst the 27 in Brussels as we speak and the debate was expected to end 2 hours ago.

True...but the draft communique indicates quite strongly that an extension until 22nd May (or perhaps misheard & it is 22 votes on what they call May's deal?) Is being widely reported

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[SkyblueBazza]

Just finished. Extension to the 12th of May.

Oh right...ignore my last post then lol

Either way, they agreed to change the leave date pretty easily & quickly

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[dancers lance]

I would be surprised, maybe some cosmetic concessions but nothing fundamental. Deal or not, an EU recession is not help to the UK, particularly Germany as it is a massive export market for us.

I think that was my point Fern (you don't mind if I call you Fern?) they can't afford a no deal anymore than we can so I think a compromise will have to be made, and It will be down to the wire.

 

[skybluetony176]

Yes I understand them...you clearly have issues with them - what are they?

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Parliament has an issue with them. I’m flabbergasted that you think she wrote them to pander to remain. You’ve got to be on the wind up.

 

[skybluetony176]

Oh right...ignore my last post then lol

Either way, they agreed to change the leave date pretty easily & quickly

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Ignore mine too. I meant April not May.

 

[SkyblueBazza]

I think that was my point Fern (you don't mind if I call you Fern?) they can't afford a no deal anymore than we can so I think a compromise will have to be made, and It will be down to the wire.

And all the drama & posturing is...welll...frankly - boring!

It is a hark back to Chris Tarrant's hesitation on 'Who Wants To Be A Millionaire' & very old hat.


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[SkyblueBazza]

Parliament has an issue with them. I’m flabbergasted that you think she wrote them to pander to remain. You’ve got to be on the wind up.

I merely asked the question

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[SkyblueBazza]

Ignore mine too. I meant April not May.

Lol...

EU leaders agree Brexit delay plan

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[Astute]

Zzz


You're being a dick even when people are trying to agree with you.

And here comes one of them comments that I said about. And agreed by those who I said about.

When I said about John Smith turning around the Labour party you said

Think it was more the economy being about to collapse

So I gave you a link from the Guardian. Not a paper to praise Labour in any way normally.

And look at the reply from yourself. You tried to make out it was not Smith but a financial crash that got Labour in. Then you said you agreed with me.

Yeah OK.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

And here comes one of them comments that I said about. And agreed by those who I said about.

When I said about John Smith turning around the Labour party you said

So I gave you a link from the Guardian. Not a paper to praise Labour in any way normally.

And look at the reply from yourself. You tried to make out it was not Smith but a financial crash that got Labour in. Then you said you agreed with me.

Yeah OK.

Wrong the comment was in response to ‘Blair got out when he was found out’. I encounter schoolboys with vastly superior comprehension to this

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

What's quite funny at the minute is the Tory boasts about low unemployment, lowest level since erm 1975. Sometimes the pictures painted of history don't always align to other things you say.

Since Beowulf G has never been the same

 

[clint van damme]

You see this is what people who've never negotiated a deal don't get. They swallow Guardian garbage like 'cliff edge' and 'crash out' without understanding that the best way to get a great deal, a close trading relationship, is to walk away.

No deal = great deal.

Walking away from a deal doesn't usually lead to all of your other trade agreements going out the window as well though does it?

 

[tisza]

Currently in Hungary always check news sites over breakfast when away.
Checked broadsheets. Okay.
Then decided to check the popular press. Given up after 3 as apparently an ex footballer getting released is more important than anything else. Possibility of seeing Northern lights how some lotto winner is going to be sexy because of the win and then we get to Brexit reports.

 

[Astute]

Wrong the comment was in response to ‘Blair got out when he was found out’. I encounter schoolboys with vastly superior comprehension to this

And here comes the pathetic comments.

If you were clear on what you are saying everyone could understand. I spoke about John Smith and you said only because of the recession. How was I supposed to know your reply was about half a sentence in a post? Because if you knew your history you would know that John Smith came to prominence around the time of a recession.

Or is you taking the piss out of me your get out clause for being wrong?

 

[clint van damme]

Starmer has been the one for me for a long time. He had a successful career before going into politics. He isn't in politics for the money or to have a career. He always worked to help people in need as a barrister. And he was also DPP and Head of the Crown Prosecution Service.

Starmer comes across well, he would take the party in a more pro EU direction for sure. Is he leadership material and could he unite the left of the party and the Blairites?

 

[Grendel]

What's quite funny at the minute is the Tory boasts about low unemployment, lowest level since erm 1975. Sometimes the pictures painted of history don't always align to other things you say.

The Labour Party took power in the mid 70’s - unemployment was below 5% under the outgoing heath regime. It grew to 1.5 million within 3 years of the socialist government as well as continual strikes, escalating inflation and an IMF bail out. The country didn’t recover until the late 80’s.

 

[Astute]

Starmer comes across well, he would take the party in a more pro EU direction for sure. Is he leadership material and could he unite the left of the party and the Blairites?

I can't think of anyone else in the Labour party better than Sir Keir Starmer. He is already respected around the world for the work he did before joining politics with Labour. He is highly educated in international matters. His whole career has been to help the man on the street.

But the question you pose is a debatable one.

Both the Tories and Labour will be damaged by the Brexit fiasco. Both parties have been forced to take sides. Insults have been traded. Lines have been crossed. MP's have resigned. Have only those that are very unhappy with the way their party has been going the only ones to resign? I wouldn't think so. Both parties have massive differences to overcome. And maybe some won't want to overcome them. But a strong leader who is respected has a chance.

Some think this shitfest is coming close to an end. But as Churchill said....

Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning.

 

[Astute]

Just watched this. Certainly raises a smile or few.

Tusk: 'Hell is still empty'

 

[skybluetony176]

I see the revoke article 50 petition is gathering steam

Petition: Revoke Article 50 and remain in the EU.

In the interest of balance here’s the leave without a deal petition

Petition: Leave the EU without a deal in March 2019.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

And here comes the pathetic comments.

If you were clear on what you are saying everyone could understand. I spoke about John Smith and you said only because of the recession. How was I supposed to know your reply was about half a sentence in a post? Because if you knew your history you would know that John Smith came to prominence around the time of a recession.

Or is you taking the piss out of me your get out clause for being wrong?

I’m taking the piss because you’re consistently bad at comprehension. Really quite embarrassing

 

[skybluetony176]

I see the pound is responding well to news of a brexit delay

Pound Sterling (GBP) - BBC News

 

[Astute]

I’m taking the piss because you’re consistently bad at comprehension. Really quite embarrassing

Have it your way. So you don't see at all how what you wrote could be misjudged?

Constantly bad at comprehension? Don't worry. Have had enough of those constantly taking the piss. Won't join in with your questions anymore. Even said what I thought you was up to. Look back. It is all there.

 

[tisza]

I see the revoke article 50 petition is gathering steam

Petition: Revoke Article 50 and remain in the EU.

In the interest of balance here’s the leave without a deal petition

Petition: Leave the EU without a deal in March 2019.

parliament ignored last 2nd referendum petition which had about 2,5m.
Media already writing off Revoke petition as original remainers, londoners , students and possible 3rd country involvement.
Balance is if Revoke became the likelihood the no deal petition would gather speed as well.

 

[tisza]

Just watched this. Certainly raises a smile or few.

Tusk: 'Hell is still empty'

According to the old Rowan Atkinson sketch Hell is already full with Germans & French

 

[tisza]

Whilst I understand MPs are upset with May's speech they need to refocus on the issues rather than on May and her behaviour.

 

[skybluetony176]

Have it your way. So you don't see at all how what you wrote could be misjudged?

Constantly bad at comprehension? Don't worry. Have had enough of those constantly taking the piss. Won't join in with your questions anymore. Even said what I thought you was up to. Look back. It is all there.

Awww! Astute is the victim yet again. Didums.

 

[skybluetony176]

parliament ignored last 2nd referendum petition which had about 2,5m.
Media already writing off Revoke petition as original remainers, londoners , students and possible 3rd country involvement.
Balance is if Revoke became the likelihood the no deal petition would gather speed as well.

Parliament seems to ignore most petitions to be fair. Location of the voter is logged and there is a link to an interactive map if you want to see where the votes are being cast from. Not expecting it to but it would be interesting to see what reaction the government would have if the number of signatures passed the number who voted leave.