New Ground...Call their Bluff (1 Viewer)

[Magwitch]

Travel all over the city and the only suitable plot of land I see for various reasons to build a stadium on taking into account no houses that near, train station on its doorstep, decent access road wise, large industrial estate nearby where parking arrangements could be made, good for away fans atleast, not too far from city centre, well as near to town as HR was and drinking dens galore all over the place and that is Hearsall Common, the fair ground end. I know the grass end is common land but I don’t think the bottom end where the fairs and circuses go is. it’s pretty all tarmac.
Boddy on behalf of his employer is still going on about a site to build a new ground on well CCC what about Hearsall ? if not, why not, there’s nothing there most the year. That way if our owners are serious in their new stadium ideas sisu can then drop the legals as Sepalla offered, get a short term deal with Wasps and move on and enjoy all this extra revenue from their own ground they constantly go on about. put her on the spot let’s see if she’s serious.

 

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[hill83]

I'd love the ground to be there, but I moved to Eastern Green about 10 months ago and the amount of whinging not in my back yarders around there is incredible. You wouldn't even get a car wash sorted out round there. (There meaning hearsall common)

 

[shmmeee]

Hahahahaha

Yeah sure, you’re going to build on the common

Hahahahaha

 

[shmmeee]

If it’s going to be anywhere it’s edge of settlement

 

[the rumpo kid]

Or morris common, I know some will say they are both common land, but doesn't all land belong to the commonwealth until it's sold ?

 

[Magwitch]

I worked at Masseys and you’re right Eastern Greeners are the biggest bitchers out nice area but that’s why there’s bugger all there. I’m sure you’re not though but it’s a bit away from Hearsall

 

[Gynnsthetonic]

Can't see it happening but a great site and a train station.

 

[Magwitch]

If it’s going to be anywhere it’s edge of settlement

Problem with edge of city sites is infrastructure and accessibility poor transport links. Not sure on the rules regarding common land Morris common would be okay but perhaps too near housing.

 

[fernandopartridge]

Problem with edge of city sites is infrastructure and accessibility poor transport links. Not sure on the rules regarding common land Morris common would be okay but perhaps too near housing.

Didn't stop the Ricoh.

 

[Magwitch]

Didn't stop the Ricoh.

I agree but a lot of infrastructure local roads etc, although not brilliant were there, and had admittedly only half decent public transport links. Sites such as Ansty and Whitley ain’t

 

[shmmeee]

Or morris common, I know some will say they are both common land, but doesn't all land belong to the commonwealth until it's sold ?

No. Common land and village greens

No land is unowned, some is unregistered which just means the LR haven’t got a record of ownership as it hasn’t sold since they started registration. There’s a drive to get all land registered, it’s about 85% at the moment I think.

Unclaimed land after say a death goes to the Crown but is usually sold off pretty quickly.

Councils don’t tend to sell land, they long lease. Lots of developers I do work for specifically request I remove council owned land for this reason.

 

[shmmeee]

I agree but a lot of infrastructure local roads etc, although not brilliant were there, and had admittedly only half decent public transport links. Sites such as Ansty and Whitley ain’t

Go to the common when the fair is on then tell me there’s decent infrastructure with a straight face.

 

[shmmeee]

Anyone thinking of sites needs to consult this first: http://www.coventry.gov.uk/download/downloads/id/25924/local_plan_2017_policies_map.pdf

 

[shmmeee]

The whole “call their bluff” thing actually means spend thousands of tax payer pounds and probably a large chunk of political capital with whichever area you use as bait, for very little return.

 

[Magwitch]

The whole “call their bluff” thing actually means spend thousands of tax payer pounds and probably a large chunk of political capital with whichever area you use as bait, for very little return.

What money would it cost ? This whole where do we play scenerio is balanced against just that, where, as I’ve said I don’t think Sepalla has any intention of building any ground anywhere but why not find out

 

[fernandopartridge]

What money would it cost ? This whole where do we play scenerio is balanced against just that, where, as I’ve said I don’t think Sepalla has any intention of building any ground anywhere but why not find out

Their officers are talking to SISU. They're calling their bluff tbf.

 

[fernandopartridge]

What money would it cost ? This whole where do we play scenerio is balanced against just that, where, as I’ve said I don’t think Sepalla has any intention of building any ground anywhere but why not find out

The council would have to pay for legal advice on whether they could sell common land, do a certain amount of consultation, seek professional valuations on the value of the land (if they could even sell it which is doubtful). It would cost a fair few quid just to do that.

Nothing is free, just because you individually do not pay for it.

 

[Marty]

Definitely don't want it on Hersall Common, I overlook it from my house and don't want a stadium to ruin the view. Stick it in one of the poor areas, call it 'regeneration'.

 

[Magwitch]

Their officers are talking to SISU. They're calling their bluff tbf.

That’s good then. If they offered the land for free, bricks, mortar and labour she still wouldn’t build one, no intention imo.

 

[chiefdave]

The whole “call their bluff” thing actually means spend thousands of tax payer pounds and probably a large chunk of political capital with whichever area you use as bait, for very little return.

Why does it? Literally all that is needed is for the council to go here is a site / sites we think are suitable and available. Come back to us with your plans and we'll fully support the club in moving it forward.

 

[Magwitch]

Why does it? Literally all that is needed is for the council to go here is a site / sites we think are suitable and available. Come back to us with your plans and we'll fully support the club in moving it forward.

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And that is what needs to happen

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

Anybody still seriously thinks sisu are actually going to build a ground??

 

[clint van damme]

I'd love the ground to be there, but I moved to Eastern Green about 10 months ago and the amount of whinging not in my back yarders around there is incredible. You wouldn't even get a car wash sorted out round there.

it's in Earlsdon mate. The Eastern greeners won't even have chance to write a stern letter to their local MP before the locals are out in force.
There was a bloke living in a van at the top of the common and they got him moved on but not before they vandalised the van! Fucking nimbys!

 

[the rumpo kid]

No. Common land and village greens

No land is unowned, some is unregistered which just means the LR haven’t got a record of ownership as it hasn’t sold since they started registration. There’s a drive to get all land registered, it’s about 85% at the moment I think.

Unclaimed land after say a death goes to the Crown but is usually sold off pretty quickly.

Councils don’t tend to sell land, they long lease. Lots of developers I do work for specifically request I remove council owned land for this reason.

Had a look at that link, then on to the Coventry parks and open spaces link, hersall common was on it but not morris common. Don't suppose you know who owns that per chance ?

 

[hill83]

it's in Earlsdon mate. The Eastern greeners won't even have chance to write a stern letter to their local MP before the locals are out in force.
There was a bloke living in a van at the top of the common and they got him moved on but not before they vandalised the van! Fucking nimbys!

I know it's in Earlsdon but the lot round eastern green would be up in arms about a mcdonalds in Cornwall.

 

[Greggs]

Definitely don't want it on Hersall Common, I overlook it from my house and don't want a stadium to ruin the view. Stick it in one of the poor areas, call it 'regeneration'.

Tory by any chance?

 

[Ashdown]

All this chat, is completely academic, SISU have never been looking to build a new stadium, not once, not ever, it's all fucking bullshit and decoy, whilst they've had their eyes on the real prize.

 

[hill83]

All this chat, is completely academic, SISU have never been looking to build a new stadium, not once, not ever, it's all fucking bullshit and decoy, whilst they've had their eyes on the real prize.

Cheers pal, I thought it was real.

 

[skybluetony176]

It’s simple really to call their bluff. Play SISU at their own game. Ask for proof of funds for the development.

 

[Ashdown]

Cheers pal, I thought it was real.

I think a few really do think there is a possibility ?!

 

[Marty]

Tory by any chance?

Just bored at work...

 

[chiefdave]

It’s simple really to call their bluff. Play SISU at their own game. Ask for proof of funds for the development.

Suspect some, if not all, the cost of the fantasy stadium would be along the lines of the Tesco deal.

However you are completely correct. Proceed as if its actually happening and put timescales in place. So you could give suitable sites now and say that within a certain timeframe you expect plans to be submitted and proof of funds to be shown.

Keep going as we are and nothing moves forward. SISU can be here in 12 months time still saying we're trying but the council are against us. Call their bluff and they have nowhere to hide.

 

[fernandopartridge]

It’s simple really to call their bluff. Play SISU at their own game. Ask for proof of funds for the development.

The council has no powers to do that, it has to take any application on the merits of the application. The council makes its own planning applications without any proof of funds, look at City Centre South, Friargate masterplan etc etc etc.

 

[RoboCCFC90]

I think a few really do think there is a possibility ?!

I've not seen anyone who has suggested that.

A lot of people think that a stadium that was fully owned by CCFC would be brilliant for the Club whether that be the Ricoh or elsewhere is open to debate.

Agree with the OP in a sense, the bluff should've been called when SISU made their big statement two weeks ago, but the council missed the chance to do so.

 

[chiefdave]

The council has no powers to do that, it has to take any application on the merits of the application. The council makes its own planning applications without any proof of funds, look at City Centre South, Friargate masterplan etc etc etc.

The EFL can and if the council bothered to turn up to meetings they could all work together.

The council say we have supplied suitable sites to SISU. The EFL say you can groundshare or stay on the Ricoh on a 1 year deal (remember their rules actually require a minimum 10 year deal) but we want to see planning submitted and proof of funds in the next 12 months.