The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (132 Viewers)

[martcov]

Was that during this rant of yours or from a previous rant where you said Something different?

How about showing what I said and what I replied to? Otherwise everyone can take it as you trying to twist the truth as usual.

I admit when I am wrong. I don't have an agenda like you do. I don't try to defend anyone or anything like you do. I don't constantly insult people like you do. I don't act like spoilt children like you do.

Go take your ball home. Have had enough of your childish outbursts. You do make some decent posts. But then you ruin them with the diatribe you come out with. I have had enough of you ruining the debate. Show some evidence of your accusations or I am just going to totally ignore you from now.

How about you showing where you have ever apologised?

 

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[martcov]

Have you any idea how you sound posting that stuff?
I hear Venezuela's pleasant this time of year, I'll happily buy you a one way ticket if you can't afford one.

You mean Venezuela where, although the country is falling apart and split in two, they won’t let the people have a second vote because they have already voted and it is better to crash the country than let the people overturn the presidential election.

Don’t need to go to Venezuela for that situation.

 

[martcov]

Glad the economy is successful. Two years ago, armaggedon was predicted.

No problem with peope coming here to work and live Sick Boy if there is a need and they pay their way. The rules just need to be the same for EU and non-EU, we can't make it easy for some and harder for others.

EU citizens are supposed to pay their way after 90 days. We never enforced it as it was not a major problem and difficult to enforce. One reason being we don’t have a system of registration and ID cards. Cameron scrapped that idea.

We have reciprocal arrangements with the EU countries, which why they have it easier. Doesn’t prevent a points system for ROW migrants. You can have both as it is. If we want to do trade deals in the future, the issuing of visas will be a bargaining chip ( e.g. with India ).

 

[martcov]

So that’s a no

The problem for these people is called reality.

 

[martcov]

Yeah I know but I'm happy to hear an alternative voice to that sour faced bitch Merkel

You’ll be pleased to know that your mate Rees-Mogg has also endorsed Weidel‘s speech. ERG and AfD. Brexit paradise.

 

[martcov]

Actually, I cannot remember a prominent Conservative ever endorsing the German far right. Shows how far right the UK Conservatives now are. Merkel, or any other German non AfD leader would never endorse Weidel’s views.

 

[skybluetony176]

Meaning you have a selection system to establish which students are likely to be capable and willing to be educated rather than dump the ambitious and the disruptive in one classroom and pretend they are equally capable

It’s not about pretending that they’re equally capable it’s about affording them the opportunity to be equally capable. I went to school with a lad who was from a broken home and disruptive and you would have wrote him of if you had your way. In his last year at high school a switch flicked in his head and he knuckled down, aced his GCSE’s, earned a place in sixth form at a different school, went onto Uni and last I heard he lives in America, works for NASA and is quite literally a rocket scientist. In contrast a lad I started my YTS with was born with a silver spoon in his mouth, was academically gifted at a young age, went to Laurence Sheriff school, was full of entitlement, dropped out of his YTS, got into drugs and last I heard was sucking cock for £10 a go for his next hit. Yet according to you the latter is the one who should have been the one afforded with opportunity not the former.

 

[Astute]

How about you showing where you have ever apologised?

Apologised for what?

I don't hide behind a keyboard insulting people who don't agree with everything I say like yourself.

The problem you have with me is I look at it from both sides. You notice when I have a go at one side yet miss when I have a go at those that you constantly have a go at.

There is more than one side to this mess. But you only want to talk about what one side does wrong. Then you try to defend the undefendable. Why should I apologise for you?

 

[Astute]

EU citizens are supposed to pay their way after 90 days. We never enforced it as it was not a major problem and difficult to enforce. One reason being we don’t have a system of registration and ID cards. Cameron scrapped that idea.

We have reciprocal arrangements with the EU countries, which why they have it easier. Doesn’t prevent a points system for ROW migrants. You can have both as it is. If we want to do trade deals in the future, the issuing of visas will be a bargaining chip ( e.g. with India ).

You have to have a certain income each month where we are planning to move to. That is why I am planning to invest money into where we are moving to. I am too young to be able to take my pension by law.

But if we started similar in the UK people would be accused of racism. It would be seen as a way of keeping 'foreigners' out. And it would be by the same people that say it is our fault for not using regulations that we could use now.

 

[Astute]

It’s not about pretending that they’re equally capable it’s about affording them the opportunity to be equally capable. I went to school with a lad who was from a broken home and disruptive and you would have wrote him of if you had your way. In his last year at high school a switch flicked in his head and he knuckled down, aced his GCSE’s, earned a place in sixth form at a different school, went onto Uni and last I heard he lives in America, works for NASA and is quite literally a rocket scientist. In contrast a lad I started my YTS with was born with a silver spoon in his mouth, was academically gifted at a young age, went to Laurence Sheriff school, was full of entitlement, dropped out of his YTS, got into drugs and last I heard was sucking cock for £10 a go for his next hit. Yet according to you the latter is the one who should have been the one afforded with opportunity not the former.

Life isn't fair. But you have to make the most of what you have. It isn't down to the government to make a level playing field between the rich and the poor. That is unless you want to hand over most of your wages in tax.

I was the child from the broken home. I was in trouble at school most days. I frequently got the cane. I ended up going to 7 different schools. The last move was with 18 months to go. And of course I ended up with the others that didn't want to learn. But I decided to try a bit. I then only got the cane every couple of months. With two weeks to go I thought I would try learning at school and at home. I nicked text books for all the lessons and spent two weeks solid learning. I crammed all my school years into them 2 weeks.

When I went into school to get my results a teacher stopped me and asked how the f¥#c did I get them results. Didn't have a clue what he was going on about as I hadn't seen them. So I grunted something like 'what?' So he said it again. I just ignored him as I always did and went to get my results. I was easily in the top 5%. I shocked myself.

1, No matter your upbringing the child needs to want to learn.

2, The child needs to have the capability to learn.

I then had to go straight to work. I couldn't afford college. University was certainly not an option in the slightest. Years later I was working up to 12 hours a day up to 7 days a week. Yet I wanted to better myself. I knew nobody owed me a living. So I went into further education while still working full time. It wasn't easy in the slightest. But a few years later it was worth it.

You don't need a silver spoon in tour mouth when you are born. What you need is determination. Yes life is unfair. But if you just sit there blaming everyone and everything but yourself nothing will change. Everyone having a higher education means many will end up in jobs below their education. A higher education for everyone doesn't mean a better job for everyone. All it does is increase your chances.

 

[fernandopartridge]

Well, TBF, there are a whole lot of MPs not following contracts because of Brexit. All those who voted for no deal for a start. The Tory manifesto promised a deal and an orderly departure. The ERG are acting in their own interests and not of those of the electorate or the party. The charlatans are at least acting in the interest of the country by asking for the final terms of Brexit to be put to the country.

Just because you agree with them on this single subject doesn't invalidate my point.
They were all elected on the basis of their former parties' manifestos.
Ironically, it is hardly democratic that they're now sitting in constituencies that didn't vote for the IG / Change UK but has now been imposed on them.

 

[fernandopartridge]

Life isn't fair. But you have to make the most of what you have. It isn't down to the government to make a level playing field between the rich and the poor. That is unless you want to hand over most of your wages in tax.

I was the child from the broken home. I was in trouble at school most days. I frequently got the cane. I ended up going to 7 different schools. The last move was with 18 months to go. And of course I ended up with the others that didn't want to learn. But I decided to try a bit. I then only got the cane every couple of months. With two weeks to go I thought I would try learning at school and at home. I nicked text books for all the lessons and spent two weeks solid learning. I crammed all my school years into them 2 weeks.

When I went into school to get my results a teacher stopped me and asked how the f¥#c did I get them results. Didn't have a clue what he was going on about as I hadn't seen them. So I grunted something like 'what?' So he said it again. I just ignored him as I always did and went to get my results. I was easily in the top 5%. I shocked myself.

1, No matter your upbringing the child needs to want to learn.

2, The child needs to have the capability to learn.

I then had to go straight to work. I couldn't afford college. University was certainly not an option in the slightest. Years later I was working up to 12 hours a day up to 7 days a week. Yet I wanted to better myself. I knew nobody owed me a living. So I went into further education while still working full time. It wasn't easy in the slightest. But a few years later it was worth it.

You don't need a silver spoon in tour mouth when you are born. What you need is determination. Yes life is unfair. But if you just sit there blaming everyone and everything but yourself nothing will change. Everyone having a higher education means many will end up in jobs below their education. A higher education for everyone doesn't mean a better job for everyone. All it does is increase your chances.

Christ you talk some shite

 

[Astute]

Christ you talk some shite

Is that right?

So we should all have the same education whatever?

 

[Astute]

Just because you agree with them on this single subject doesn't invalidate my point.
They were all elected on the basis of their former parties' manifestos.
Ironically, it is hardly democratic that they're now sitting in constituencies that didn't vote for the IG / Change UK but has now been imposed on them.

You don't half talk shite.

So what about those areas who voted Brexit but their MP is doing whatever they can to go against what they voted for?

 

[martcov]

Just because you agree with them on this single subject doesn't invalidate my point.
They were all elected on the basis of their former parties' manifestos.
Ironically, it is hardly democratic that they're now sitting in constituencies that didn't vote for the IG / Change UK but has now been imposed on them.

Applies to MEP Farage just as much, if not more, because apart from swapping parties, he only turns up to be filmed for his YouTube channels and then clears off. Has his own business interests. Be interesting to see how the UKIP infiltrators get on if they stand under the Tory flag as suggested by Banks. False flag definitely if that happens.

 

[martcov]

You don't half talk shite.

So what about those areas who voted Brexit but their MP is doing whatever they can to go against what they voted for?

Yeah, like Katie Hoey‘s constituency. Although I understand MPs are not delegates. Which means they vote according to their party line or conscience.

 

[martcov]

You have to have a certain income each month where we are planning to move to. That is why I am planning to invest money into where we are moving to. I am too young to be able to take my pension by law.

But if we started similar in the UK people would be accused of racism. It would be seen as a way of keeping 'foreigners' out. And it would be by the same people that say it is our fault for not using regulations that we could use now.

FOM is actually freedom of labour. Not freedom to ponce. Labour = you have a Job. No one should have anything against EU citizens coming to work.

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

What's everyone going for tonight then in the new votes? I doubt there will be a majority again

 

[martcov]

What's everyone going for tonight then in the new votes? I doubt there will be a majority again

Hard to say, but no way should parliament be allowed to accept any one under these circumstances without putting it back to the people. They haven’t yet had a Brexit to vote on and maybe they won’t back any. Whatever happens, millions are going to be unhappy.

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

Hard to say, but no way should parliament be allowed to accept any one under these circumstances without putting it back to the people. They haven’t yet had a Brexit to vote on and maybe they won’t back any. Whatever happens, millions are going to be unhappy.

Probs be a custom union that will be the most popular, then maybe that will be put to the people however the leave date is next week so who knows....
Steering towards no deal

 

[martcov]

Probs be a custom union that will be the most popular, then maybe that will be put to the people however the leave date is next week so who knows....
Steering towards no deal

Yes, but the ERG won’t back that as they want to do deals with people like Trump. Trump doesn’t want us too close to EU regulations which we would have to be in the SMand CU as he cannot get his things in due to regulatory differences.

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

Yes, but the ERG won’t back that as they want to do deals with people like Trump. Trump doesn’t want us too close to EU regulations which we would have to be in the SMand CU as he cannot get his things in due to regulatory differences.

Rekon it will be a no deal then, strange times ahead

 

[martcov]

Rekon it will be a no deal then, strange times ahead

Won’t be no deal in parliament. Too risky for the country.

 

[Sick Boy]

But if we started similar in the UK people would be accused of racism. It would be seen as a way of keeping 'foreigners' out. And it would be by the same people that say it is our fault for not using regulations that we could use now.

Why would anyone accuse the UK of racism for implementing EU laws in relation to FoM?

 

[Ian1779]

What's everyone going for tonight then in the new votes? I doubt there will be a majority again

Depends on what gets selected, but I would imagine that a customs union option will be popular - whether that be Clarke's version or the Corbyn one - think the Clarke one will get more Tory votes because it's a Tory motion.

Also imagine the one which offers a confirmatory vote may be close.

Lets also hope the Lib Dems and SNP don't abstain again and then bitch about things being in a mess.

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

Depends on what gets selected, but I would imagine that a customs union option will be popular - whether that be Clarke's version or the Corbyn one - think the Clarke one will get more Tory votes because it's a Tory motion.

Also imagine the one which offers a confirmatory vote may be close.

Lets also hope the Lib Dems and SNP don't abstain again and then bitch about things being in a mess.

The SNP are a joke!

 

[Astute]

Yeah, like Katie Hoey‘s constituency. Although I understand MPs are not delegates. Which means they vote according to their party line or conscience.

So you say they have a choice but not the choice of those who elected them?

I understand why they have gone against their electorate. But some like to use the system to cover up for their view. Once elected to be an MP they should do what the people who voted for them want or they don't have to. It isn't whatever goes with a POV.

 

[Astute]

FOM is actually freedom of labour. Not freedom to ponce. Labour = you have a Job. No one should have anything against EU citizens coming to work.

Freedom of movement is freedom of movement. Work age means working if an income is needed.

 

[Astute]

Probs be a custom union that will be the most popular, then maybe that will be put to the people however the leave date is next week so who knows....
Steering towards no deal

Steering towards a long extension of the leave date. They will finally agree on something. And it will most probably be something nobody voted for. Maybe something like the May deal but not called the May deal.

 

[Astute]

Why would anyone accuse the UK of racism for implementing EU laws in relation to FoM?

Forcing people to leave would be the problem. Look at what has happened in the past with criminals getting deported. Then think what would happen if someone had dine nothing wrong.

 

[fernandopartridge]

You don't half talk shite.

So what about those areas who voted Brexit but their MP is doing whatever they can to go against what they voted for?

People have had their say on Brexit via the (advisory) referendum. That is it. It isn't a direct order to their local MP. Since the referendum there has been a General Election, MPs were elected on the basis of a party manifesto and no doubt some broad local plans.

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

Steering towards a long extension of the leave date. They will finally agree on something. And it will most probably be something nobody voted for. Maybe something like the May deal but not called the May deal.

They won't extend it any longer i don't rekon, the EU are fed up

 

[Astute]

People have had their say on Brexit via the (advisory) referendum. That is it. It isn't a direct order to their local MP. Since the referendum there has been a General Election, MPs were elected on the basis of a party manifesto and no doubt some broad local plans.

So MP's should only do for their electorate what was said as a party line before a GE and nothing afterwards?

They are supposed to be elected to work for the people who voted them in. Not get voted in and then go against them. More things come up after a GE than what is said before it. But as I said I understand why.

But you can only have it one way.

 

[Astute]

They won't extend it any longer i don't rekon, the EU are fed up

But want us to remain in the EU. Whilst there is a chance of us remaining there will be the chance of them doing what is needed.

We are all fed up with the situation. But how many have given up yet?

 

[tisza]

What's everyone going for tonight then in the new votes? I doubt there will be a majority again

expect to see a bounce in Common Market 2.0 - some Tory remainers that abstained 1st time to support it and even SNP are discussing supporting it as a group