Astute
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If you count Farage as a dictatorship what do you call breaking laws, rules and regulations to put who you want in a very strong position?
Of course you don't. You also don't know the meaning of honesty on this thread.
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Of course you don't. You also don't know the meaning of honesty on this thread.
Astute
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You can't get rid of Selmayr because of his position. It is a job for life. The only person that can take his job away is Selmayr. As you know he shouldn't have got it. But he did.
That is what a dictatorship looks like.
Or would you like to call that a lie?
Astute
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He can't be removed from his position. And you know that.
If he has done nothing wrong, then no. But, the ombudsman said in the second report that the appointment was wrong. The problem will be if the new President is from another party and follows the ombudsman's advice.
If that is a dictatorship, then so is the UK. May appointed her loyal lieutenant as head of the UK civil service. He will be there after May has gone.
Farage is leading a party which he formed. He made up the rules to ensure no one can get rid of him. He is the unelected leader and it is virtually impossible to get rid of him. Selmayr is running a civil service in the interest of the commission. An employee not a leader. You are twisting things to suit.
Actually I don't know that. He will probably not be removed, but may have a dificult time under the new president. Let's see what happens.
A summary:
This complaint-based inquiry concerned the appointment of the European Commission Secretary-General, Martin Selmayr, in 2018.
Following an extensive inspection of Commission documents and written questions put to the Commission as part of the inquiry, the Ombudsman identified four instances of maladministration in the handling of the appointment and made a recommendation.
Following the Ombudsman’s findings, the European Parliament in December 2018 passed a resolution calling on the new Secretary-General to resign.
The Commission’s reply to the Ombudsman’s recommendation presents no new information and does not alter the inquiry findings, which showed in detail how Mr Selmayr’s appointment did not follow EU law, in letter or spirit, and did not follow the Commission's own rules.
The Ombudsman recommended that the Commission should develop a specific appointment procedure for its Secretary-General, separate from other senior appointments.
Such a procedure should include the publication of a vacancy notice and the placing of the appointment on the College agenda in a timely manner.
The Consultative Committee on Appointments, for future appointments of the Secretary-General, should also be broadened to include members from outside the Commission.
It is highly regrettable that the Juncker Commission chose not to implement this recommendation. The Ombudsman looks forward to its implementation by the next Commission.
The Ombudsman closes her inquiry by confirming her findings and recommendation.
No. It only has fish and no main industry. It didn't leave to follow an agressive nationalistic policy. Leaving a trading block upon indepence is different to walking out on of an international organistaion and breaking all treaties to create a Nazi state.
I know the meaning of honesty and you twistings things around. Selmayr did not create the civil service, put himself at it's head and appoint a board answerable to him that he could fire on the spot at the slightest hint of rebellion. The comparison between the two is absolutely ridiculous.
What on earth are you raving about now? I pity your dog... he has to live through these fits...
Sick Boy
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Do I? I don’t really follow your arguments most of the time to be honest. I was just pointing out you’d contradicted yourself. Anyway, there’s nothing stopping you from criticising both of them, is there?
Astute
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Correct. But in the opposite way you make out.
Sky Blue Pete
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You may never wake up
Astute
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When I criticised Farage it got ignored by you and your followers like Mart. When I made other comments like thinking Farage might start up another party if Brexit doesn't happen you took the piss.
Yes it is a waste of time trying to have a debate on here. You are supposed to defend one side and constantly attack the other. It is an absolute joke.
Astute
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Wake you up in 2021 :woot:
You told me Farage was irrelevant. He has now formed a party with an undemocratic constitution which is a „Führerprinzip“ set up. He won’t tell you what his manifesto is until after you have voted for him.
He is roaring away with loads of free publicity from major media sources.
I point this bizarre situation out and your, somewhat predictable, answer is: Selmayr.
His candidate for NW England refused to condemn the IRA bombing in Warrington saying the IRA has the right to use all means possible to defend themselves. Those days she was a revolutionary communist. Now Brexit Party.
Grendel
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So you don’t think politicians who refuse to condemn the IRA should stand for public office?
No, I think the Brexit Party is anti democratic and hypocritical.
Grendel
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Then he will be exposed at the ballot box if you are correct - why mention the IRA at all
He won’t be exposed by the ballot box. He will be exposed by what happens when he has your vote. There are probably good reasons for not announcing his manifesto. No one can attack him on that for a start. Corbyn comes under attack from the right for his links to the IRA in the past. It is hypocritical to put up a candidate that was a revolutionary communist and IRA supporter. Many people won’t even realise that and throw their vote away by voting for the Brexit Party. A con.
Sick Boy
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When did I take the piss? Farage is an opportunist and is only out for himself, so I’m not surprised he has tried to make a comeback. Not that he ever went away that is, he has enjoyed a fair bit of coverage.
All posters on this thread are hugely for one side, not just those who voted remain, it’s reflective of how entrenched views are. I’ve yet to see you directly complain to leavers about their positions though, unless you think they’re neutral too and also post pro EU posts for balance?
Grendel
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Why do you say Jeremy Corbyn is attacked by the right when all sides including many in his own party have repeatedly condemned him?
Your argument is even more bonkers than normal. Many voters - including you - would support a far right pro austerity politician merely on through basis she adores the Brussels gravy train. It’s not hypocritical to support her and her pathetic bunch of losers that will get pummelled at the ballot box.
You have scarcely touched on my argument. Farage spouts on about democracy. Farage forms a „Führerprinzip“ undemocratic party. All those who registered with him, and paid, are registered voters and have no rights in his party. Farage says the EU is not transparent and then refuses to say what will be in his manifesto until after you have voted for his party.
Total hypocrisy. You ignore that.
A separate point is that Farage is always quoting the war, patriotism and military comparisons, and then allows an apologist for the IRA to stand as an MEP. More rabid hypocrisy. Your deflection: well Corbyn is criticised for talking to the IRA as well. So what? That has nothing to do with the hypocrisy of Farage and his supporters. a) he didn’t excuse the Warrington bombing and b) the right like to pull out his association with IRA much more than the left.
I have sent my postal vote in already. I can’t vote for Soudbry even if I wanted to. You can only vote in one EU country. FYI, I voted FDP. Liberal. I don’t agree with a lot of what they say here, but I am more of a liberal than I am the others. So, made a compromise.
Grendel
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My deflection? You mentioned the IRA as a point of condemnation
I don’t need to deflect - I’ve already said if the monster loony party existed still I’d vote for tarquin flambwit biscuit barrel but as they are not Nigel will do
I mentioned it is an illustration of the hypocrisy that is the Brexit Party.
As far as I know they still exist. They got more votes than my brother when he stood against Cameron. The candidate was a publican who makes money out of merchandising.
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SIR ERNIE
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Priceless
The only hypocrisy on this page is you, the ultimate EU-extremist, claiming you’re concerned about a political party being anti-democratic.
I am. Especially the bit about the leader appointing the board and having the power to sack the board. He cannot be removed. It’s the Führerprinzip. Been done before.
The mugs who registered have no voting rights.
Are you now going to claim that Farage’s party is more democratic than the EU?
The best is that no one knows what the manifesto is until the election is over.
Don’t ever bother to lecture me on the EU not being transparent or democratic. The absolute stupidity of the Brexit Party voters knows no bounds. Mugs. Farage must be laughing all the way to the bank.
skybluetony176
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I see JLR are getting into the Dyson brexit spirit and brexiting the new defender production line to Slovenia. Real shame both from a safeguarding and creating new jobs in the U.K. but also from a historical point of view as production of this model in it’s original guise at Solihull is where Land Rover began.
Grendel
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It was always being built there - it was decided years ago
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Brexit must of been the reason why Peugeot moved from Ryton 12 years ago too!!